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#54465 by Shapeshifter
Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:28 pm
Andragon, I may be misinterpreting what you're saying, but this has always been my take on it: Musical knowledge (playing "according to the book") is an often misused tool. Too much of the time, Musicians translate that into "The first two chords are "G" and "C", so now I MUST play a "D". In other words, too much musical knowledge stifles creativity-just as learning "cover songs" does. If you spend all your time as a musician going over other people's ideas, then those ideas become engrained in your subconscious, and you will at best have an extremely difficult time moving away from those ideas-because you are unknowingly training yourself to believe that those things are CORRECT, as opposed to being open to other possibities...

This concludes today's mind rambling run-on broadcast. :lol:

#54469 by Hayden King
Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:36 pm
Andragon wrote:What people don't get though is this: it sounds good, because it's right according to the book.


I have no idea what the many of the chords are in some of my song's!
I've had two people with degree's in music tell me "hey that's wrong, you need to change that" on 2 songs, while people who only know that they either like, or don't like what they hear say it sounds great.

I'm sorry that my learned pro friend's don't get it. I truly couldn't care less what other musicians think of my work!
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#54477 by Jessica M
Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:24 pm
Well, they obviously didn't show up to the first day of class. Most music students are told that writing music is like driver's ED. You do it the "right" way to pass the class...then after that you do what you need to survive. If you drive like how you are suppose to in driver's ed all the time...then you would be dead. Hardly anyone drives like that....and hardly anyone writes music like that....unless you are writing Gregorian Chant. Hey, even Mozart broke the rule...that curly, powdered wig rock star of the 1800's. Shred that Violin!

Ok, I'm done. :D

#54480 by philbymon
Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:43 pm
Well, when the melody line & harmonies call for a B minor chord, a D simply won't do, no matter if that's the way you "wrote it" or not. There ARE rules of musical standards that should apply.

#54482 by ghost 62
Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:45 pm
which one has the hottest wife(girlfriend)

#54487 by Jessica M
Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:53 pm
Who says a B minor being replaced by a D won't work? Maybe for some genre's a music, but John Cage and Arnold Schoenberg made a living off a writing Chance music which used unpredictable uses of chords and combinations of instrumentation.

Music is art. You can't tell an artist not to paint with a chicken because a chicken isn't a paint brush. =)

#54488 by philbymon
Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:55 pm
Perhaps you're right, in that they are relative chords, at least, but howzabout an E flat, then?

I can't think of anything by either of those guys that I would call "music," but then again I've only heard some rather discordant crap from them.

#54491 by Jessica M
Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:58 pm
philbymon wrote:Perhaps you're right, in that they are relative chords, at least, but howzabout an E flat, then?

I can't think of anything by either of those guys that I would call "music," but then again I've only heard some rather discordant crap from them.


Agreed. I despise their music and use it to help peel paint off my walls, but on the flip side of the coin they had to do something right. They get/got the good gigs and the money to prove it.

#54499 by EDDY123
Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:46 pm
I have read this post over , and I have been thinking alot about how this aplys to me. I have never been the guy that chooses. but I sure have been the guy that didnt get chossen. when I lived in DC I played punk gigs and auditions for metal bands, I could always play the stuff but I cant read music or even tab. Never lerned. I do try at times to lern moore technical things and studdy to improve my craft but I always end up back to what I do best. I may never be that guy that gets the gig or the record deal but I sure feel confident in what I do and I will continue to do so till they pry my SG from my cold dead hands.

SO YEA I WOULD STILL PICK THE SELF TAUGHT GUY.

PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#54511 by gbheil
Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:02 am
If you apply warrior philosophy to art. The artist will use whatever tools he needs to engage and overcome. Be that tool an artistic feel for the frets or a scientific approch to composition.
I was taught that the less unknown territory a warrior has to deal with the more successfull his campagns.

#54512 by ZXYZ
Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:05 am
Heart and Soul- self taught (maybe a few music lessons along the way) but not rigidly perfect and by-the-book only. What is music anyway? It's a method of expressing and conveying thoughts or feelings with sound, in addition to taking people out of their lives for a little while (while listening to a good song). It's not quantum mechanics learned from books. Imho it would also depend on the person. I dont think that it would work well to catorgorize educated musicians to be in the stereotyped 'un-feeling/ no-soul-in their music' and vice-versa.. just my .02..

#54513 by Jessica M
Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:08 am
ZXYZ wrote:Heart and Soul- self taught (maybe a few music lessons along the way) but not rigidly perfect and by-the-book only. What is music anyway? It's a method of expressing and conveying thoughts or feelings with sound, in addition to taking people out of their lives for a little while (while listening to a good song). It's not quantum mechanics learned from books. Imho it would also depend on the person. I dont think that it would work well to catorgorize educated musicians to be in the stereotyped 'un-feeling/ no-soul-in their music' and vice-versa.. just my .02..


Hey, I thought you were a musician...where did you get two cents?

#54516 by ZXYZ
Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:15 am
found it under the sofa cushion, musta missed them on the 1st pass.. :D
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#54518 by gbheil
Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:17 am
:lol: :lol: :lol:

#54519 by Jessica M
Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:19 am
Well, be careful bragging about that or some of use are going to start asking for a loan.

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