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#53861 by Starfish Scott
Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:13 pm
That's exactly it. Weed doesn't kill anyone. So good of you to make a federal issue of it like you had a real issue that INQUIRING MINDS NEED TO KNOW. (where's my can of "bitch-b-gone?")

It wouldn't kill your career as long as you are smart enough not to smoke before you play. (Never a good idea, especially if you don't know your stuff cold.)

And Robin, the only reason I even bother to respond to you is because you had to raise your dainty hand and say YOU are the only one, as if that was important enough to make a whole response about. (You must think very highly about yourself)

Mr. Robin Williams has/had a very difficult time with cocaine. Lucky for us all, he removed his head from his ass. I, do, however seem to remember an interview where he talks about some of the stuff he wrote while under the influence and Robin, you won't have to worry about that because you don't write anything.

See some of us like a little mental stimulation to make writing easier. If that needs explanation, see above remark. (You'd have to be there)

You can chalk me up in the "I don't care wtf anyone does, as long as they aren't hurting themselves and others." And to inflict your opinion on others, being you know nothing at all about it strikes me as usual and thoughtless. Welcome to the Machine, step right in and be turned into Soylent Green.

#53883 by Shapeshifter
Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:24 am
Wow, Cap, I think you read a lot into what Robin was saying...the only thing that I took from it was that she didn't do drugs. It didn't seem to be condescending or righteous to me (IMO).
To each his or her own, with the exception of what I said before: Nobody wants me to waste their valuable music time after I've downed a 12-pack (yes, I'm a drinker, yes, I can drink a 12 pack, and yes, it would be a waste of time...I'm usually laying on the floor afterwards :lol: ), and I expect the same consideration from other musicians. I've been to too many band rehearsals that ended because one or more participants are too f@cked up to remember their own names...ahh, good times.

Soylent green is SMOKEABLE!

#53911 by Starfish Scott
Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:23 am
Yeah ok, Robin if I was reading into what you said, I'll give you your just due apology. Consider it done..


And if not, you know where to stick that righteous finger..

#53970 by Robin1
Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:20 pm
joseph6 wrote:the only thing that I took from it was that she didn't do drugs. It didn't seem to be condescending or righteous to me (IMO).


That is all I was saying.
I do drink, I smoke cigarettes.
I am not a saint by any means.
I just don't do drugs.
Was married to a drug addict so it totally turned me off of them.

#54035 by gtZip
Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:45 am
Capt. Scott wrote:That's exactly it. Weed doesn't kill anyone.
.


Weed kills me.
Errr, it might be able to anyways. I'm allergic to it or somethin. Makes me sick as hell even in real small doses.
Sad thing, cuz it smells so tastey, and i wanna, but cant...

Tobacco focus your mind! Tobacco good.
But not smoking. A big ole chaw.

Cap, youre pretty surly for a weed smoking space hippy
:wink:

#54135 by Andragon
Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:03 am
gtZip wrote:
Capt. Scott wrote:That's exactly it. Weed doesn't kill anyone.
.
youre pretty surly for a weed smoking space hippy
:wink:

I haven't had some in a while. It's not addictive. It's nice to relax to it though.

#54163 by Jon Nilsen
Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:17 pm
Hey folks. I haven't been to these forums or posted here in ages. It's been great fun reading threads here again. This one sucked me in so I'll throw in a few words. First welcome Shawn! Your first thread seems to be a hit :) I guess I'm suprised that you were suprised that some musicians you were playing with used drugs. I dare say you will run into this again if you keep playing. Whether it's a problem to the music depends on the individual and how they handle it. Some people just get confused or distracted and their playing deteriorates while others will thrive. I'm pretty sure I was stoned for most if not all of the recordings in my profile. I've had many, many more negative experiences in the music business with booze. Again it depends on the individual but try to judge people on their playing and heart and not on their personal habits unless their habits get in the way. I've played with people who forget parts and screw up who never did any drugs or booze in their life. Also in my experience it's usually the cig smokers who take up the most time with breaks.

As to work ethic, fun and hard work are not mutually exclusive. I like to play one or two nights a week to get out of the house and have fun. Not to get away from my wife, I love her. At the same time it's healthy in a relationship to have outside interests. I no longer do music for a career and mostly just want to have fun. Does this mean I don't take it seriously and should be booted? I don't think so. I learn my parts, I show up on time and don't waste a lot of time. Music has allways come pretty easy to me. I take home a disc, I listen to it a few times in the car or whatever and at some point I'll sit down with my guitar and play it once or twice. I have an idea for what I want to do and work out the part while playing it at practice. I work out parts while playing with the band because it's better that way for me. It usually doesn't take long and nobody minds.

We play for 45 minute to an hour then we take a break. The guys who smoke cigarettes light up and the 2 guys who get high get high. A couple of the guys have a couple of beers and a couple don't. Nobody gives a crap what the others do and nobody checks messages. We talk a bit and enjoy ourselves then go play some more. Wash rinse and repeat. We usually take two breaks and play three "sets" at practice.

The important thing is that everyone is on the same page. You can't have two guys who want to tour nationally and quit their day jobs and two guys who want to play regionally on the weekends. Getting that straight before you play a note is important. If someone keeps screwing up straight or sober it needs to be addressed. Other than that I highly recomend having fun at practice. Mixing in a little joking and story telling will bring you closer together and in my opinion can make for a more lasting situation as friendships develop. A little not a lot but all work and no play.....just not my style :)

Good luck and welcome again to the board.

#54212 by Shapeshifter
Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:34 am
Jon,
I agree with most of what you have said, and congratulate you on find such a workable group of guys.
However, the way you described your approach to the band and music in general is pretty far off from what I was describing as a "fun" player. You are working in a manner that suits the band and agrees with the other band members. You take the time to learn the songs.
The "fun" musicians I was speaking of would never go to those lengths. That would be too much work for them.
I guess what I'm getting at is this:

A musician who has passion for the music can still have fun, but a musician who is ONLY in it for fun probably doesn't have any passion.

#54216 by HowlinJ
Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:01 am
gtZip wrote:
Capt. Scott wrote:That's exactly it. Weed doesn't kill anyone.


Tobacco focus your mind! Tobacco good.
But not smoking. A big ole chaw.
:wink:



Zip,
A few decades back, I would indulge in a chaw of Redman from time to time, but found it to be somewhat addictive, so I quit. I still enjoy a good cigar once or twice a year, however.

My only other vices are Guinness extra stout; hoggin' down a bag of Bassett's licorice allsorts; and wasting valuable time on the Band-Mix forum, but ya gotta have some pleasures in life! :wink:

I'm a drug free ol' Pennsylvanian ex-hippie, ( like Robin)

later,
HJ

#54235 by Starfish Scott
Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:02 am
drug free hippie?

That's like a fat chick who doesn't use sugar.

Nothing I hate more than righteous people.

Is your life so perfect that you can afford to take time out to give others advice? I think not.

Go clean your own house before you try to come up in mine. Your daughter is crying again and needs a diaper change, not a budweiser.

#54239 by ZXYZ
Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:05 am
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#54240 by Jon Nilsen
Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:46 am
joseph6 wrote:Jon,
I agree with most of what you have said, and congratulate you on find such a workable group of guys.
However, the way you described your approach to the band and music in general is pretty far off from what I was describing as a "fun" player. You are working in a manner that suits the band and agrees with the other band members. You take the time to learn the songs.
The "fun" musicians I was speaking of would never go to those lengths. That would be too much work for them.
I guess what I'm getting at is this:

A musician who has passion for the music can still have fun, but a musician who is ONLY in it for fun probably doesn't have any passion.


I got ya. Thanks for clarifying. I'm with you a hundred percent. I've been in situations where I've worked really hard and what I do these days seems like nothing. A couple of run throughs. If people aren't willing to do at least that then yeah that pretty lame. You can demand passion and focus and still have a fun enviroment. Now if you are in a full time working band that pays the bills and you don't need to divide your time between a job and a family and music expectations should be higher. It was fun times when I lived and breathed music. Luckily I can still devote enough time to music to make it work. I'm working torward doing more music and less work. Wish me luck.

Good talking with you Joseph.

#54281 by Mark Phillips
Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:59 pm
Hello all,
I just had to jump in as I so loved the image conjoured up by Slipped Knot quite a few posts back:
That one of being in a song when the drums go quiet and the drummer has walked out to take a call on his phone!
I am still chuckling quietly about it!

When I did regular work and practice with a band it was before cell phones even existed! So we didn't have that problem.

The bottom line on this general problem is probably, how to correctly express your level of aspiration at the start... I guess that by the same token that drummer might have said: "yes these two guys seem convinced we are heading for the big time, they're mad etc"
And at the start you might not even know how far you want to try to take it?
Cheers,
Mark D Phillips.......................

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