General Music Chat

I will be different than the rest... CAUSE I CANT TAKE THE SAME OL CRAP!

Time for a generation of NEW. If you think the present sound of instruments is enough to carry all NEW style and character of performers through the next 20 years and still be pleasing to the listener AND the performer, you must not be evolving.

I encourage everyone to think on what NEW acoustical or electronic instrument they can contribute to music .

If you have some kind of cool washboard please post.

www.youtube.com/electricdrums

The washboard has evolved into the Les Paul. I see no point in going back to the washboard.
If this is your musical thing, well, thats cool with me.
I see you have none of that "new generation" music posted on your site.
Most of the time when something is made "new" just to be "new" and "different" it fails badly. If you truly have some new sound, post it so we can all enjoy.

The washboard has evolved into the Les Paul. I see no point in going back to the washboard.
If this is your musical thing, well, thats cool with me.
I see you have none of that "new generation" music posted on your site.
Most of the time when something is made "new" just to be "new" and "different" it fails badly. If you truly have some new sound, post it so we can all enjoy.

WELL.. actually I do not play either of my 30 year old les pauls anymore, mostly cause their so heavy. I do play a real cool bc rich body with a unknown neck that is great with some 13 pin electronics that I put together for a speacial thing I like to do. And I don't think any of it was ever in the washboard line, but it is all original material I perform. You can hear a recording of a song I did on the videos with just ELECTRIC DRUMS and a little singin, just ambient mic recording no studio or line down.
I really want to see electric guitar evolve to something more than distortion or midi.

Most of the time when something is made "new" just to be "new" and "different" it fails badly. If you truly have some new sound, post it so we can all enjoy.

Could not agree more.
It is not as much the tone of the instrument as the composition on a whole. Elvis did not invent a new guitar or even a new style, but he has an unmistakable sound does he not? Pink Floyd did not invent any new instruments yet you hear it and you know - it is Floyd. Iron Maiden did not create any new amps etc etc. So in the end it is all about composition of the tune as a whole.

Here is an example from way in the past. There was a fiddle, then came Paganini alone and lay the seeds for the rock soloing on the guitar. Before Paganini not many people even thought of that sort of sound. And at the time it was radical. People believed he sold his soul to the devil.

I really want to see electric guitar evolve to something more than distortion or midi.

This already been done. It is called keyboard synthesizer and sequencers. You can be radically different from the main stream and sample sound of slamming doors, pig squicks, smashing glass, etc. Then import all of that in to a sequencer and off you go with a radically different sound. However that is not new either. There are people on this site who do just that.

It is not just the notes to be plaid it is why they need to be plaid.

Personally I gave up on being different, just concentrating on not sounding too awful.

Just trying to figure out how to fill the void.

How freaking old is stuff like "Iron Man" that STILL gets play on modern stations (vs. the 60s/70s stations)?

Other than not really being a FAST metal tune....the SOUND isn't that old.

Even the new Metallica sounds a LOT like some older stuff.

Old sound vs. New sound really doesn't mean much (OK....at least starting in the 60's when amps started sounding really good)

GOOD vs. BAD means much more.

I'm not much of a believer of things like fate, but I do feel that people have slight, or even heavy dispositions towards all things, including music.

Some will try their hardest and still sound exactly like the mainstream, while others who try their hardest can't nail the mainstream sound (originals, not covers). It really is all in the composition, and that would explain why most popular songs are not written by a single person, but oftentimes buy a duo, or even passed through many hands and continually refined.

I personally think my own originals are very much out of the mainstream, although I've rarely posted them because I know that most people won't like them (and the fact that the writing and recording are very amateur) . I really do believe that my style of play, while odd at times, is my disposition. Most likely because I've allowed so many different bands and genre's to influence me, rather than sticking with just one.

Most of the time when something is made "new" just to be "new" and "different" it fails badly. If you truly have some new sound, post it so we can all enjoy.

Could not agree more.
It is not as much the tone of the instrument as the composition on a whole. Elvis did not invent a new guitar or even a new style, but he has an unmistakable sound does he not? Pink Floyd did not invent any new instruments yet you hear it and you know - it is Floyd. Iron Maiden did not create any new amps etc etc. So in the end it is all about composition of the tune as a whole.

{johnny nobody wrote}ELVIS had a different sound of voice as well as style and good looks to be accurate. Not to mention the times were just getting started recorded music and NEW instruments. PINK FLOYD totally made use of NEW sound with synth, and effects and still have a differnet MUSICAL SOUND than any before them and most after. Their compositions were not that different. IRON MAIDEN enjoyed BETTER and better sounding distortion and recording but composition is similar to BLACK SABBATH and others.

Here is an example from way in the past. There was a fiddle, then came Paganini alone and lay the seeds for the rock soloing on the guitar. Before Paganini not many people even thought of that sort of sound. And at the time it was radical. People believed he sold his soul to the devil.

{johnny nobody wrote}DIFFERENT is the common factor.

I really want to see electric guitar evolve to something more than distortion or midi.

This already been done. It is called keyboard synthesizer and sequencers. You can be radically different from the main stream and sample sound of slamming doors, pig squicks, smashing glass, etc. Then import all of that in to a sequencer and off you go with a radically different sound. However that is not new either. There are people on this site who do just that.
{johnny nobody wrote}The thing is, those are already old sound played by keyboardist. Remember PINK FLOYD? Guitar midi controllers DO NOT perform well enough to build a style or composition on continual terms. Just a dab is all their good for.

It is not just the notes to be plaid it is why they need to be plaid.

Personally I gave up on being different, just concentrating on not sounding too awful.

Don't get me wrong. I believe all styles and instruments will survive the test of time and PLEASE the listener that enjoys that particular song.

But a new instrument or even an old one with a completely different sound or ability would really be effective and appreciated by the musician in that field and the listener that needs eventual change.

I just know there has to be an expressive new instrument waiting in someones mind out there. PLEASE LET IT OUT!

Over the millenia there's been countless new instruments and countless new ways to play existing instruments. The only thing that matters is the result pleasing to the listener. Is it redeeming? Are people going to buy the music played with the new instrument? In the last year or so I've seen some of these new "new" types of bands. The other night I saw a band with three percussionists and one guy playing accoustic guitar who was the lead vocalist. Another band I saw a few months ago there wa no drummer but all the band members who were playing guitar, keyboard, bass, etc. were simultaneously playing a percussion instrument. A new concept for sure (I have a hard enough time walking and chewing gum at the same time). Right now there's a trend among some young musicians to get back to accoustic instrumentation. This is a good thing. It's easier to understand the vocals. Refreshing "new" concept. I've thought about adding different instruments to the blues band that are'nt traditional blues instruments. Fiddle? Banjo? Viola? We've got accordian mode on a few tunes, makes us sound cajun a little. Just adding something new for the sake of adding something new may not necessarily make the music better.

Funny thing...over at another forum... people are complaining about the new 8 string Hellraiser by Shcecter. (tuned to F# I think)

Not complaining about quality...but the fact that it is an 8 string guitar...directed at the "metal" crowd.

People complaining about WHY do we need THAT. Or things like "can't you find a bass player?" Or "people will buy this so they can be like MESHUGGAH" and "make up for not being able to play"

All of which I find ridiculous. While I won't be buying one....I have nothing against anyone for getting one. I don't even LIKE MESHUGGAH.

But there's your "new" instrument, and the pre-requisite hatred for anything new that must accompany it.