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There's no way for me or anybody else to prove the existence of aliens, and maybe we'll never know the truth. BUt if we are here by accident then it's almost a certainty based on the size of the universe that there are civilizations WAY MORE ADVANCED than us.

True.

The mathematics of cosmos require existence of life elsewhere, we are not all that special.

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if you still think that "aliens" and "UFO's" are some sort of myth, or that our government developed the technology to build them on our own.....
well I can only say you must have sh*t on your face, because you walking around with your head up your arse!

hayden, there is no proof whatsoever that aliens are here. NONE. most of what has been taken as evidence sine the 1940s are embellished, distorted, half-truths that have morphed into a sort of religion.

(except, in my opinion, the Phoenix Lights and the Betty/Barney Hill case. the former- wow! unexplainable, but not necessarily alien. the latter- the Hills didnt seem to have a motive to create this hoax, but im not totally convinced).

id LOVE there to be extra-terrestrial or extra-dimensional beings snooping around, but i dont see any evidence of it, only hope and faith, and of course the $ucce$$ful touri$t indu$try of Roswell, NM, if you catch my drift.

you also stated:

"found in old Phoenetian script, are stories of army's watching battles fought in the air between "ships" in ancient times. in fact it was said to be common...but it is in the scripts..."

this is so unverifiable. and why is the bible villified or deemed invalid, but people put stock into ancient writings that could be 1) the earliest works of fiction 2) eyewitness accounts of weather (lightning) or 3) totally misinterpreted or mistranslated by modern man?

Well, If i were part of an advanced race with an agenda involving earth...I'd either take it over and either enslave or exterminate man.....OR I would use my advanced ways to work WITH man. Stop wars, share technology...and sing songs by the campfire.

If I were an advanced race, I surely wouldn't spend my time hiding in the shadows...picking up random people for anal probes, and letting myself be spotted from time to time by the earthlings.

I'd want to know if my military might was greater...if it was, I wouldn't be afraid of mankind knowing of my existance....if it wasn't...I'd go home, or to another planet.

Humans ARE curios...and willing to die for personal gain...and willing to LIE for personal gain....even if that means just getting on TV, or selling a book.
People will lie about bigfoot, ghosts...and ET....when I can see some real evidence...I'll believe it.
Some people choose to believe that burning bushes talk to them....Ghosts visit them, men can part the seas by faith, man can kill by the force of their chi, Nessy is STILL swimming in Loch Ness, and Santa comes down the chimney.

I have to agree with this viewpoint. Usually there's an ulterior motive behind these things. I prefer to take the most logical view, then apply my own personal experience to it.

or just follow the code:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

this is so unverifiable. and why is the bible villified or deemed invalid, but people put stock into ancient writings that could be 1) the earliest works of fiction 2) eyewitness accounts of weather (lightning) or 3) totally misinterpreted or mistranslated by modern man?

1. Hmmm last time I checked they weren't writings, they were tablets with pictures and a few "words" from their language. They were not fiction because these were found among their "diaries" at that time.

2. Are you serious? 0.o
Google pictures of those tablets. Some can be found. It's far from lightning. A craft hung in mid air and someone comes down from it.. how's that weather-related?

3. Like I said, they were mostly carved tablets that were colored by them. Which is why most of the tablets that were dedicated to writings have not been fully translated, because, well, it's extremely old and even the Romans didn't have complete translations, so go figure.

I dunno, Hayden. While I accept that there may be aliens flying around Earth to recharge their batteries or fill up their tanks or their larders, this last vid frankly sounds like a very bad B movie from the '50's. You know, something along the lines of "Plan 9 From Outer Space."

He may have been "surgically removed," or assassinated, if you prefer, by good fiction lovers, but I doubt that he was put down for "telling the truth."

Sorry. I can't find it in my heart to believe him even if he is missing two fingers or so.

I do try to have an open mind, but I refuse to have a hole in my good sense to achieve it.

this is so unverifiable. and why is the bible villified or deemed invalid, but people put stock into ancient writings that could be 1) the earliest works of fiction 2) eyewitness accounts of weather (lightning) or 3) totally misinterpreted or mistranslated by modern man?

1. Hmmm last time I checked they weren't writings, they were tablets with pictures and a few "words" from their language. They were not fiction because these were found among their "diaries" at that time.

I'm not sure how being among their dairies if proof that it was or was not fiction. We have comics in our newspapers. Some civilization that didn't understand us could claim we have the ability to speak with dogs cats and penguins

2. Are you serious? 0.o
Google pictures of those tablets. Some can be found. It's far from lightning. A craft hung in mid air and someone comes down from it.. how's that weather-related?

OK, We need to see the SAME pics your looking at. could be meteors, could be Lenticular clouds....until we are discussing the SAME tablets...we are arguing about apples and oranges.

3. Like I said, they were mostly carved tablets that were colored by them. Which is why most of the tablets that were dedicated to writings have not been fully translated, because, well, it's extremely old and even the Romans didn't have complete translations, so go figure.

So no one knows if these are fact, fiction, or completely misinterpreted.

AYE! Surrender ye booty lass !

OOPS ! Wrong website again!

Dang it.

ok lets get good and simple!
in the 1400's NOTHING flew other than birds.
there are some 40 paintings from 1700 back with some sort of object in the air with a person or being inside of them.
there have been batteries found that date back 10,000 yr.s
there are pictures of electric lights and airships found in the great pyramids
there are airships in the bible.
our own president has reported a UFO sighting (Jimmy Carter and 25 other people with him)
The U.S.A.F. reported they had captured a UFO to the media in 1947 (then changed it)

and most important: some aren't going to believe in anything uncomfortable to them until it flies up their arse!

Wow, should I be trying to slip a word in here edgewise>? lol

NOTE: The following is not meant to sound mean or demeaning....but it's just text on a forum, so it might LOOK like I'm trying to insult someone or something. NOT the intention...just playing devils advocate.

in the 1400's NOTHING flew other than birds.

And bats, and clouds, and ballistically propelled objects, and meteors, and anything the wind could pick up and move. OK. I'm nit picking, and apologize

there are some 40 paintings from 1700 back with some sort of object in the air with a person or being inside of them.

in 1977 we discovered video evidence of alien craft that used twin ion engines for propulsion, could fly faster than the speed of light, and had their own gravitational systems and force fields to protect them. These aliens could move LARGE objects with thier minds only. They could communicate telepathically, and see the future. They also had weapons that had a beam of light that projected a couple of feet from the handle that could cut through most any surface with easy. Some of these aliens looked like humans....Others had many different shapes. Though a common language was not always clearly heard by our ears, things like beeps from droids and grunts and roars from the wookies could be interpreted clearly by the others.

there have been batteries found that date back 10,000 yr.s

And yet we haven't found any walkmans, or flashlights, or cell phones to put them in.

there are pictures of electric lights and airships found in the great pyramids

There are INTERPRETATIONS of DRAWINGS of electric lights and airships. But no lights or airships were found there. Were they images of REAL objects?
In 1966, we have video of humans using hand held cell phones that could communicate into space...and the cell phone didn't even exists yet!

there are airships in the bible.

Damn! I got ripped off! Mine only came with pages of text! (I'm just having fun...perhaps a quote from the bible to discuss?)

our own president has reported a UFO sighting (Jimmy Carter and 25 other people with him)
The U.S.A.F. reported they had captured a UFO to the media in 1947 (then changed it)

Just because an object isn't identified...doesn't make it alien. I'd be much more interested in objects that WERE identified as alien craft.

and most important: some aren't going to believe in anything uncomfortable to them until it flies up their arse!

And until that happens...there isn't much they can do about it.

If/When that is about to occur here...the aliens themselves will have to deal with a UFO themselves...Once they identify that UFO as a 124 grain copper plated lead hollow point projectile traveling faster than the speed of sound from my engineer issue PPK...flying up my arse will be the last thing on their minds. LOL

Remember...just having some FUN...but making a point at the same time.

Wow, should I be trying to slip a word in here edgewise>? lol

Now THAT right there is FUNNY!!! I don't care who ya are!

Back in the old days (before Christ) the model of our universe had turtles all the way to the bottom and burning chariots all the way to the top.

Than we had a different model with flat earth in the center and gods all the way to the top.

Than after Christ we had yet another model, where we had spherical earth in the center (which was a tough concept to swallow for a while) with us to rule it and gods all the way to the top. (we are self important)

Than one man (Jordano Bruno) got burned at a stake for saying that earth is not in the center and the other two (Copernicus, and Galileo) were hunted by holly inquisition for saying the same thing. Now we all know that we are not in the center the Sun is. The earth is just a small speck flying around it (with us here to rule it with Gods all the way to the top - we are self important)

We found out that indeed sun is in the center not earth - and that took loooooong time to sink in.

Than we flew up and put a Hubble telescope to look further and we realized that behold there are billions and billions of suns with trillions of planets around them. Those Suns and planets form galaxies and there are few googles of galaxies in this universe and a possibility of yet multiple universes....

That applied some corrections to how we view ourselves in this vast universe and how small we really are. And that perhaps this earth was not "made for us" and we can see that it can shake us off like case of bad flees. (Global worming, climate changes, etc etc)


Let me ask you this: Statistically do you really truly believe we are alone?

I was an alien.
No really. I have a legal document - US government issued paper to prove it, I was legal alien for 14 years in US, now I am a citizen, but I was an alien. So as a former alien let me say this:

No I have not seen an alien ship (other then my own) No I have not met an alien (other then some guys from Mexico). No I am not sure that they are actively visiting (scouting) us or not.

I just find it hard to accept that they do not exist at all because of the simple arithmetic. Or be it statistics.

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My question.....Does it matter?

Hum...that seemed to be my point back at page one.
I am not at all uncomfortable with these posabilities, I just dont care.
There is no link, comon sense wise, to belief / disbelief in UFO and God or Christianity. Any more than there is between God / Christianity and the fact that all living things evolve or parish.
If someone believes or disbelives in God, Christ, UFO's, evolutionary theory does not automaticly make them narrow minded.
I am a realist in a warrior mindset. (if you like lables) If it does not directly affect me at the point of my blade (or seem to) I wont waste energy worrying about it. Me worrring wont change anything. The fact that the human aliens are ripping me off is much more relevent. To my ability to provide for my family.

My question.....Does it matter?

No. Not until it flies up my ass, then it becomes personal.