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#49709 by Black57
Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:37 am
Yes, I can see paying to see a band with a few substitutes. For example, Yes, their music is till great even if the original singer is not their. Plus, look at how Benoit David got his job. It was through YouTube. It is a realization of what is possible and I think the band should be great. I most definitely would go see Led Zep without Robert Plant. I would love to hear Black Dog by LZ regardless of the singer. I would imagine that the only reason these guys got the job in the first place was that they had the vocal ability, instrumental ability and stage presence. This happened commonly with the Temptations. I would still go see the tempts although the originals, I think are all dead.

#49725 by philbymon
Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:51 am
HJ, I don't care how good a musician you are - if all you can do is "wing it," then you may be great 20% of the time, & 30% of the time you might be "okay," but that leaves 50% of the time that you will suck, & that, my friend, is where J Page & J Garcia both were. Why bother spending those big bucks, when there's a 50/50 chance that they'll sound terrible?

Mary - wouldn't that make it a Temptations tribute band?

Funny you should mention that. At one point there were at least four separate bands touring that called themselves the "original" Drifters, same with the Coasters, or any number of Motown/Chess Record acts. They each usually had one member from the original, & the rest were pasted in. Few ppl, if any, ever knew the difference, outside of their friends & families, I'd bet.

About 10 yrs ago they were gonna have a tour of the "original" Deep Purple, with Ian Gilliam on vox. Problem was, Ian wasn't the original singer. They shut down the whole project, for whatever reason. Kinda pissed me off, cuz I still feel like I was ripped off by missing him the last & only time I ever saw them. (Ritchie Blackmore & Tony Lords ruled, in spite of the singer's deficiencies.)

#49796 by Andragon
Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:52 pm
jw123 wrote:Man, whys Philby always picking on Zep?

Just kidding. I would like to see someone like Chris Cornell fill in for Plant.

haha must be kidding. Cornell's range is long gone.. since 1996.
I think they should move on with different projects and stop cashing in on their name.

#49822 by HowlinJ
Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:59 pm
Ok , ok,
If you guys are intent on bashin' pore ol' Mr Page, then I have to admit that when I saw them on TV during the Live Aids Concert, I almost felt sorry for the old Zeppers.
G.E. Smith stole that show, backing up Mick Jagger and Tine Turner! (Both of whom have been rockin longer) Made Page look like a tired ol fool. :wink:

I concede,
J P sux! :P
HJ

#49825 by HowlinJ
Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:19 pm
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#49827 by HowlinJ
Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:22 pm
I still like listenin to the first Zep album from time to time. :wink:

#49870 by Andragon
Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:07 am
If Zeppelin had played without improvisation, then the world would've fallen apart.
Personally, that's what I loved the most bout em. Not the heavy riffs, not the solos, not the awesome drumming.. how they can go around the idea of the song with no limits. I like that. Kinda like the Allman Bros. They'd improvise right in the middle of a song, but they would return to the original rhythm later.

#49889 by Paleopete
Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:11 am
Well...as far as talent and ability go, Page was an excellent player - one of my big influences and was a very creative and innovative player. Sloppy quite often, for a couple of reasons. Booze & drugs, of course, and the fact that he hangs his guitar down around his knees. I tried that for a while, I couldn't play either. It makes you bend your wrist to an uncomfortable position and kills your accuracy. Didn't take me long to give it up and raise my guitar a little. These days I set my guitar strap sitting down, so that it drops maybe an inch or so when I stand up. Much more accurate. With Page I think it was probably more because he was stoned than anything else, after a tour or two the entire band stayed wasted from what I've been able to find out.

But there are just too many sloppy ones for me to give him [Page] the kind of credit I think players like Clapton, Beck, Dimeola, Mclaughlin, and many many others deserve far more than he does.


Bracketed inset mine.

Funny you should include Clapton, he's had a long standing reputation for never playing the same way twice, same as Page. Jack Bruce said in an interview basically the same thing, Clapton never played the same solo two nights inn a row, just like the old days. (this was on a DVD a friend loaned me of the reunion gigs in England) Quite often in his days as a junkie he was pretty sloppy as well. One of the greatest, yes. One of my biggest influences, probably the biggest along with Duane Allman, who was also a junkie and pretty sloppy too. Listen closely to the slide lead in "One Way Out", it's sloppy as hell. I've been trying to learn it for the band I'm going to be playing in, it's almost impossible, because Duanne was strung out and didn't hit all the notes he was after and his timing was off. I never paid it a lot of attention until recently when I started trying to actually duplicate it. I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to peg that one. "Statesboro Blues" was much more accurate playing. The Fillmore live album was recorded after Layla, and I've always thought Duanne was going downhill at that time, heroin was taking its toll. Clapton and Allman are still two of my favorites, along with Page, sloppy playing and all. And by the way, Page has been quoted more than once saying that he was not satisfied at all with the tracks that were used on the "Song Remains the Same" movie. He was not happy either that it was done without his input. Some of those tracks would not have gotten by him. He said himself some of the playing was not up to par.

Personally, (and I KNOW I'm a minority on this subject) I prefered the Van Halen output during the Sammy Hagar Era much more than during their DLR days. For me, it was an upgrade...


Roth can't stay in the same room with Hagar, probably can't stay in the same county...He's a buffoon and not impressive as a vocalist, while Hagar is one of the best in the business. I've been a Hagar fan since his "Bad Motor Scooter" days with Montrose, thought he was a strange choice for VH at first, but after listening a few times I thought he was a lot better than Roth, who I never did like to begin with. I also thought Hagar fit in with the band better too. And wrote some killer songs, he's always been an excellent songwriter. Remember "I've Done Everything for You" making a big hit for Rick Springfield? Hagar wrote it. "Bad Motor Scooter" is the only Montrose song many people remember, even thought they did do a number of other ones that were really good. I didn't realize it until I picked up a compilation, Hagar also had a number of pretty big tunes as a solo artist, even if not many went to top 10.

Paul Rogers vocalist for Queen? I didn't even know about that one but can't imagine him with that group, probably the last person I would have expected to replace Mercury.

#49947 by Hayden King
Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:53 pm
Jimmy Page is more about expression than flash. you know flash as in ....Flash.



joseph6 wrote:Man, I know I'm gonna be throwing a big ol' rock at a big ol' hornets' nest, but what about...(wait for it)...Van Hagar??!!

Personally, (and I KNOW I'm a minority on this subject) I prefered the Van Halen output during the Sammy Hagar Era much more than during their DLR days. For me, it was an upgrade...and I would have paid to see them. With Diamond Dave, on the other hand, I would have saved my cash. I just didn't care for the guy, what can I say? :roll:


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#49985 by Starfish Scott
Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:57 pm
Zep with out Plant?

Do you eat the hot dog without the bun?

Yeah I bet plenty of you are deep throating the hot dogs with no bun.. LOL

#50090 by philbymon
Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:18 pm
For me, Paul Rogers is one of those voices that "is" rock 'n' roll. He's right up there with Roger Daltry or Ian Gilliam. Masters of the r&r voice, thay are!

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