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#41596 by lanzar13
Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:52 pm
Hey everyone its been a while but we finally have a mixed home studio version of Last Stand.. We have been working on a number of other songs that will be put up in the coming month.. We hope you like what you hear please leave feedback.. This is our first home recording and first time mixing. please let me know what you think and if you have any recording tips please add them here...... Hope you all enjoy the music...

you can hear the final mix here

please let me know what you think

#41601 by philbymon
Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:54 pm
I dunno - I think it could use some bass, dude.

J/K - I see you're looking for bass.

Sounds good to me. Hope you get that bassist.

#41675 by sanshouheil
Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:44 am
Good rockin sound my man. But Bass, Bass, Bass, Rock aint sh*t without strong bass.

I know your lookin. I hope your finding.

#41708 by Scaevola
Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:52 am
Even with just the drums and guitar that made me want to go start a mosh on a crowded city bus. Only 'cause there aren't any shows going on around here where that'd be appropriate. But, at least there are plenty of people on the bus.

But I digress. Keep it up and good luck with your bassist search.

#41777 by lanzar13
Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:19 pm
thank you all for taking the time to listen to our song.. i hope to have more up soon... we are still getting use to the whole home recording mixing thing.

#41781 by fisherman bob
Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:40 am
Us bass players are becoming a rare breed indeed. Hope you find one.

#41812 by lanzar13
Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:44 am
why is it that bass players are so hard to find now a days.. my band has been looking for a bass player in Sacramento for almost 2 years now.. when we do find someone the never get back to us or they dont have good equipment....why is bass a instrument that is dead or almost dead...

#41825 by Starfish Scott
Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:03 pm
Because no one wants to do it and IF they do, they invariably don't understand how and why.

The best I ever heard was this guy who claimed he played bass because he couldn't play guitar.

After playing a simple 1-4-5 with this guy, I told him he wasn't playing with the right key.

With a straight face he said, "I play either with my hands or a pick, but I never heard of anyone using a key."


#41888 by sanshouheil
Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:52 pm
Damn! You have got to be kidding.

#44047 by lanzar13
Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:01 am
if anyone knows someone who plays bass or sings in the north highlands or sacramento california area please drop me a line.. my band has been lookin for a bass player and singer for a longs ass time now...

#44057 by sanshouheil
Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:26 pm
Lanzar13, Are you using the Bandmix search function?
It took me several months of search and send tactic to get our bass and drummer aboard.
It is frustrating. In my case though it was an effective means of finding the "right" musicians.
Others on the board have found musicians through open mic nights and such.
Hell we are in the middle of podunck Texas, and I hade several people to audition.
Surely you can do better in Cali?

#44091 by Andragon
Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:41 pm
Great. Finally metal drummers who don't over-use the fckin bass pedals. Very nice. You had to be in good ol Cali, eh?
Good luck.

#44700 by Airweavers
Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:17 pm
Uh, my opinion is going to be quite different from most here on the production aspect.

Everyone's telling you not enough bass here, but I'm not seeing, or hearing that as the problem with the recording at all.

What I'm seeing, on my meters, and hearing, is TOO MUCH OF EVERYTHING!

You really need to pull everything back, and quite a bit too. I couldn't even see the tops of my EQ meters on all frequencies. Every one of them was pegged!

Sure, Metal is supposed to be loud, when you PLAY it. But when you're recording, you really shouldn't be pegging everything during the recording process. Remember, every instrument you add to a recording adds to the final total volume. If you were to add a bass to the recording you have posted, and crank it up to match what you've already got, I can almost guarantee you'll end up with clipping.

Once you've got everything pulled back to decent levels, then you can start adjusting EQ. The most frequent beginner's mistake when EQ'ing is to start by boosting everything that doesn't seem loud enough. The best way to deal with frequencies that aren't "shining through" as much as you'd like though, is to pull back on the others, not to boost what you want to hear better. Then increase the overall input volumes, whether that is each individual instrument, or a mixer output before the EQ.

When you start working on your mix down, use a professionally produced track to compare what your doing with it. I tend to use AC/DC's TNT, because it's a great production, and because it's the first song in myWindows Media library. I'll turn up TNT loud enough to rock the house, then create a mixdown of my own song, and open that in WM as well, then compare the two. If my song is blowing me out of the room in comparison, I'll remix it with levels pulled back.

Again, Metal should be loud, when it's played, but if it's close to ripping my speakers out in comparison to other professional productions, the recording itself is too loud.

I love the music, by the way! My nine year old started head banging the second I turned it on. But my levels were already set to a pretty high thumping level for another song I was listening to earlier, and when yours came on, it blew everyone out of the room, and every level meter shot above visible levels. That's way too much.

"What?!!! Heavy metal 'too loud?' How is THAT possible?"

Well, it's not, unless my ears are bleeding, but I do have my own volume control, and plenty of watts to blow the roof off the house if I choose to. For those who don't have enough wattage, well, they need more if they want to thump the neighborhood. If you boost it too high for them, it might just blow out their speakers, or even their cheap amp, and that doesn't do you much good for building a fan base.

I'm betting that you don't really want your fans ripping off their phones, swearing at you, the second one of your songs comes on.

Then, I could be wrong... :wink:

Wasn't it Lemmy Kilmister (Motorhead) who said, "We want to be the band that, when we move in next door to you, your lawn will die!" (?)

But if you compare even their recordings to others well done, even theirs are within certain limits. :wink:

#44720 by sanshouheil
Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:56 pm
Nice informational post. Danm few of us have any meter involved in the listening process here. Even fewer are using good speakers.
For the most part it's the feel we get listening on the ol puter that we are commenting on.
Glad to see you being more proactive in you evaluations.

#44746 by Airweavers
Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:08 am
Actually, if you've just finished listening to just about anything else recorded at anywhere near production level volumes just before this recording, you wouldn't need any meters at all, especially if you were just rockin' the house with something else just beforehand. Rattling stuff off my shelving was the first clue. Then I looked at the EQ meters. Wave? What wave? It was a solid block of lights!

Interestingly though, there was no clipping. Add that bass in there, and I'm certain there will be though! :wink:

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