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#36342 by Rick Stringfellow
Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:08 am
I've been rehearsing a solo act for about ten months now (and have been recording those rehearsals for close to eight months), and I've discovered some things that are very encouraging.

Every once in a while - usually after I've played a song a couple dozen times - I'll get an idea about a different way to do that song, and just go with it. And sometimes I'm shocked at how well it works. It's like conciousness-streaming the song, and I feel like I'm accomplishing what I've set out to do.
The first couple times this happened I thought, "My God. If I could do this in front of an audience, it'd be like a mass peak experience." And I thought the way to get there was to master the song, then drop all pretension and just let whatever happens happen. I still think that, and those feelings of accomplishment keep reinforcing it.

Another thing that happens, and which I consider noteworthy, is that with some songs the whole arrangement comes in one complete chunk, almost the first time I play it. It's as if in learning a song, the arrangement writes itself. Both Sides Now is one of those songs. I've been doing it since October and haven's changed one thing - just gradually got better at doing it so that I'm nearly able to perform it as imagined initially.

I hate it when people get on these forums and blow their own horn. I can't believe I'm doing it myself. It's just - I've spent the last ten months in a vacuum. I'm that tree in the forest that no one hears. I've told several of my co-workers that I play in the lobby after we close, but not one of them has ever come to see what I'm doing. They don't know I have talent. They just think I'm another good-natured dufuss.
I've never played outside the post office, and don't want to yet, because I want to generate whatever interest I'm able to generate based solely on the performance. I may have to take it to the streets, if things don't start happening soon.

Finally, I wonder whether it's possible to make recordings of the performances and sell those recordings right afterward, so people could have CDs of the show they just saw. Does anyone know if this can be done?

#36344 by Andragon
Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:21 am
Before I answer your question, asking for advice (or input) on your songs isn't wrong or shameful. I think that's one of the main reasons there are forums here.

Anyways, to answer your question, I don't think you can record AND make copies that fast. Ofcourse, you can record it neatly (audio, video, whatever). I dunno if folks would wanna buy that. I'd suggest getting your songs wrapped up very well and head for some studio time. Make a nice EP and sell THAT at your shows.. if you can.
Hope this helps and good luck.

#36345 by The KIDD
Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:45 am
Hey Rick,

Yeah man, welcome to the club bother.As andragon said, one of the reasons we put these tunes up is to get feedback.I think you'll notice that 95 % of the critiqueing that goes on here is positive, even when the feed back is VERY critical it reflects that persons honest opinion as they see/hear it which I think is positive...Yeah , Ill 2nd what the dragon man said , either GET GOOD at this home recording (goood luuuck... :lol: ..jesus) or opt out for some studio time or Colab on here with someone and put your best stuff down to sell when ya get your first gig at a coffee shop , book store etc.You seem to be on a good confidence roll right now ..You need to go out and hit an some open mics..Expose yourself to different places like those where it will be quiet and the audience will be into what your doing and those where its noisy as hell, ya cant hear the monitors, and no one is payin attn, even though ya know doing well and pourin your heart out.. Gives ya both sides which are the reality...Start readin up on some simple home recording programs and let us hear ya soon

John

#36346 by Rick Stringfellow
Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:57 am
I've been recording with a Zoom H2. No production. Warts and all. I'd like to keep it that way. If I get brave I'll post something. I registered on mySpace but haven't posted anything there. I'm not sure I know how.

#36354 by Hayden King
Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:54 am
Rick the song's on my page were recorded right on the "windows recorder" on my PC (with two $15 head set mic's from wallmart and a splitter from radio shack). go to all programs/ accessories/ entertainment/ sound recorder....hit record (it only goes 60 sec.s....name the file.... open that file and hit record again....continue till you get say 10 min.s and name it 10 min or something..... record (its one track, one take so may take a few tries.....change name of file and save it ( this will leave the original long file to use each time)......open 10 min file again and record another. there is an echo effect on there and thats all i used...its not great but it works well enough to express the song and hear what your actually going to sound like recorded dry. then google wave to MP3 and download a converter demo. convert and upload the song....we will listen and rip your heart...juss kiddin Rick dont freak when you hear every little mistake or off key...pay attention and learn to control your voice. 5-6 tries and you'll start improving quickly.......have fun! I'M OFF TO THE STUDIO TOMORROW GANG!

#36374 by Paleopete
Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:59 pm
I agree, make a CD and sell that, it might be possible to record a show and sell them but people won't want to sit around and wait while you do the editing, add effects like a bit of delay or whatever and then burn a CD. Make a studio recording and sell that.

The recordings on my profile were done with Audacity (Google is your friend) and a cheap Nady stage mic. The acoustic thing "Silhouette of A Daydream" was done the same but with an ancient Shure PE35L mic. All were run through the line out of a Tascam Portastudio 414, into a standard garden variety sound card. Not professional quality but not bad either. I'm going to have to redo Silhouette, the gain was too high so it has some distortion ina couple of places, otherwise it's decent.

Give it a try, you don't have to put major bucks into a decent home recording.

#36376 by fisherman bob
Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:36 pm
Instead of trying to make an instant CD you might try this method: Record every time you play. Even if the recording quality is not that great you'll have everything down so you can go back and listen to it. While you're creating something that you think is really awesome, was it really awesome? Go and LISTEN to it again. Play it for friends and family to see if THEY think it was really awesome. Post it on your Bandmix profile page. If the general consensus is that you've got something noteworthy then go to a professional studio and record it again, this time with professional results. A lot of times in the past whether rehearsing or gigging I wish I had recorded everything. Sometimes we do things that I think are incredible but I can never remember what we did. Anyway I would think you would want your CD to sound professional. In my opinion I'd rather go to a pro studio to come up with pro results. Later...

#36378 by jw123
Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:56 pm
Rick in the 80s I had a cassette deck tied into our pa system. Mainly to play music between sets and something to run some tone tapes thru to set the pa up. But we got requests for tapes of gigs. So we set it up to record off the mixer board. We would sell the gig tapes to someone for $25. It sounds high but at that time a couple of good 90 minute cassette tapes were around $10. We didnt sell a lot of them but we did sell a few. Now the dark side, some of those tapes were plain embarassing to listen to for me. We were a rockin party band and there were lots of mistakes, tuning issues, key issue, you name it. Lots of smaller places the guitar of bass might not be to hot in the mix. It realy wasnt a quaility recording. Im with the rest here if your going to sell some recordings, go somewhere and get some professional help and put together a professional product. Something that you can truelly be proud of.

I would recomend recording yourself somewho so you can measure your progress. Also the open mic thing is a start. Playing in an empty office by your self and playing in front of a cranky crowd are 2 completely different things. I always told bandmates that one gig is worth 100 rehearsals. You will find out what works and what doesnt.

Most groups that I played in thru the years have been very physical in nature. Some nights I would calm down and just try to nail every note perfect. Later people would say that I was off that night. Now flip that around and Im playing the guitar behind my head, with my teeth, behind my back, rolling on the floor and missing a lot of notes and people would say man thats the best Ive ever heard you play. These days being a little older the physical side is not as present and Ive got to hit the notes, cause I know that Im in competition with other acts for a persons entertainment dollar.

Please do some recording and post it good or bad. Once again whatever you decide to do live, know the music backwards, forwards, sideways, basically inside and out. DOnt go out with a halfcocked gun go out there loaded.

In the end you are competeing for someones attention and or money, and most people are tough these days giving up either one unless you are worthy.

A friend of mine that plays solo acoustic brings along a bag full of fake books. If you dont know what they are, they are little books full of song lyrics with very basic chords and melody arrangements. He has a part of his set that is basically live karaoke. He gets the audience up to sing with him and kind of coaches them thru. I went one night and the crowd was having a huge time, in fact I think he only had to sing a couple of sets, the rest of the time the audience was singing for him. So I guess anytime you can involve the audience its a plus.

#36404 by gbheil
Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:26 am
:D I just have to smile a moment. Ok, I use a ZOOM H4 myself. The band sounds much better live, and thats just not me saying so either.
I think we all should record every time we play. Especially bands. So many times the pressure or the "energy" of a hot practice or a gig can produce one of a kind sounds or "versions" of our music. I am still kicking my own butt as I was so enjoying playing for people and hearing the applause I forgot to turn on the recorder. :cry: Our Bassest said on line the other day how pleased he was that we covered each other so well like a "Real Band" at the last gig. 8) So I guess it's going to be all right now, In fact it's a gas!

#36408 by The KIDD
Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:07 am
Hey Gang,

Yeah JW, good advice and suggestions aswell...I bet some of those cassettes are PRICELESS :lol: .Yeah , some people like that live sound with the ambient noise, hollerin, jokin around between tunes etc..Yeah, Rick , as JW said , try to post something soon...Good humility training..

John
#36460 by Rick Stringfellow
Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:21 am
It was a struggle, but I managed to upload a file. It's a ZoomH2 recording of a practice on Both Sides Now, warts and all. It isn't easy to sit through, but please try. The level is real low, so don't forget to turn down your system before you move on.

http://bandmix.com/rick-stringfellow/

#36461 by The KIDD
Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:24 am
Hey Rick

GOOD JOB bother :!: ..Nice tune, good voice control/vibrato, enjoyed the James T influenced pickin also...Man that Zoom 2 did a good job for ambience micing.. Both guitar and vocals were smooth...Your a natural.. :!:

John

#36490 by jw123
Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:36 pm
Rick you have a very pleasant singing style. Not pushing or rushing yourself. Youve obviously been practicing. Keep it up. I cant hear the guitar well on my computor, cause my ears are shot from 6 days of hard rock recording, but I dont hear any glaring mistakes, tuning or pitch issues. Maybe you could give me some acoustic lessons.

On your recorder you might try to turn it up some. Im not familiar with a Zoom but there must be some way to crank it up a little more.

Once again sounds great, You might see if there is a local open mic night and get up there and see what the response is. Im with Kidd I think your well on your way.
#36514 by Rick Stringfellow
Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:45 pm
Here's another song. It, too, was recorded at the post office on the ZoomH2. But I loaded it into Garage Band and copied it three times, so there are four identical tracks mixed down to one. Then I exported that to iTunes and converted it to mp3. Hopefully the level will be a little louder.

This one I wrote, which means I was able to get through it without messing up too much. I had to delete the other song in order to get this one to fit.

http://bandmix.com/rick-stringfellow/

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