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#36133 by FastFret
Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:32 pm
I gave up music for about 10 years after my ex wife couldn't handle it anymore.

That was the worse mistake of my life.


It is just a lifestyle choice, but you have to make sacrifices if you have family and really want to pursue a musical "adventure".

I had originally planned on only booking our band 2 shows a month.. yeah right.. Once the ball is rolling you either take the shows or you get turned down the next opportunity that comes along. So were pretty booked, (3 shows this week) and I have to juggle my time for shows, kids, wife, practice....

Music has a bad way of winning the competition. I hope it pays off. Yeah it's a great thing, being in a band and entertaining people but my kids are more important to me but like the ex would say, I sure have a hard time proving that.

#36158 by gbheil
Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:52 pm
I cant do my children justice by being misrable myself. I raised my first two into adulthood working damn near 7 days a week sometimes three jobs. It was a mistake. If playing makes me a happy father then my time with my sons is more beneficial. In five years they will be men. Five years is not very long.

#36196 by FastFret
Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:43 pm
Sans that is right on.

When I was in a failing marraige and not allowed to play out anymore I was miserable, ornery and depressed.

The time I get to spend with the kids now is 100% more quality time than I had when I was always in a pissy mood.

#36205 by JazzGtr
Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:27 pm
JW,

You need to show Rick a little more love. It's a lot harder to live with this conflict between music and /or family thing than you think. It's easy to talk about it. Try telling your 5 year old girl why you are not going to make it to her birthday party because you are gigging with the boys on Saturday. Now tell her that you will probably miss all of her birthday parties for the rest of her life. If that doesn't mess you up on the inside, then you probably had it done to you and still don't get it.

This sh*t is real man!

Peace
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#36216 by Rick Stringfellow
Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:50 pm
Nice, JGL5. Thanks for the assist.

r

#36223 by Hayden King
Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:56 am
well Rick, if your asking her then you probably already know what you both want and need....
BE TRUE TO THINE OWN SELF!...I have to go w/the other's; If not following your true dream's and desires is making you miserable or torn, then you need to do it. if it'll make you happier, you will be a better person and maybe a better father.
#36247 by Rick Stringfellow
Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:58 am
My youngest child starts college this fall. My kids need mentoring more than fathering, now. They think they're grown men, and I just need to let them keep thinking that until the day they wake up and discover that they are.

I wonder whether you are confusing two threads, blund, because I don't recall mentioning that I was considering asking a female anything. And, to be honest, I was hoping someone would respond with something like:
"Gosh, Rick, I know what you mean: I wouldn't want to live in a country that was selling its citizens out hand over fist in a megalomaniacal quest for power. Take the Privacy Act, for example. Enacted post-9/11, all it really does is give businesses the right to exchange their clients' private information between themselves for business purposes, and with the government for God knows what - Homeland Fu**-you-rity, I'm guessing. You might like it better in (insert location). Things are pretty laid back, here. The population isn't constantly bombarded with propaganda aimed at rampant consumerism. Fascist regimes like China aren't awarded favored trade status despite an abysmal 60-year record on human rights, lead paint on childrens toys, poisoned pet food, and total disregard for the suffering of its own people, for the benefit of the rich. I don't blame you for wanting some relief from from a mindset tlike that".

But that didn't happen.

#36256 by jw123
Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:21 pm
Rick did I come off harsh?

I was just kidding around. I think most of the 35+ers on here feel just like you. I guess I should have said take your guitar to some island and play in a Tiki bar.

The problem at this stage of your life is that you are probably accustomed to a certain standard of living. If you throw your career away how are you going to eat? The most money that I see guys in local bands making is 50-100 dollars per night. Acoustic duos and trios make around 300 dollars total. So they may make up to 150 per night. These are people that are good and know how to perform and do it for a living. How many gigs can you realistically expect to get in a year, 1 a week at 150 bucks is only $7800 dollars in a year. These days the music entertainment area of the economy is suffering. So if you get out there you have to entertain people. Ive said this in other post, dont go out half way ready. You may only get one shot with people so dont blow it the first time, be prepared.

If I were you I would maintain whatever income source I had and practice my music and start recording whatever you are doing so you truelly know what you sound like and what you have to work with. I have no idea what level of a player you are and I dont guess it matters to me, but whatever level you are at I would think you should try to constantly be improving your craft. Ive been playing since I was 12, Im almost 46 now, and Im still taking lessons and courses on being a better player. And I guess I should add that I still feel like I suck.

I played heavily from 1988 to 2000, logged in around 500 paying gigs during that period. I quit cause I had a new daughter and a son who I really hadnt spent enough time with. My son got into racing dirtbikes so I spent about 5 yrs going all over the country with him racing. In a lot of ways it was like being in a working band, leaving on friday evening and coming back home on sunday night, sometimes monday morning taking him straight to school. Hes now driving and taking a lot more care of himselve these days so Ive gotten back in music whole hog again. Ive spent the last 3 nights in a guys studio recording some cover stuff for a new demo cd for gigs, Im in another group that practices every sunday night and is shopping for gigs, I also write a lot of original stuff and record it at home for myself to just have a musical journal of my life.

My daughter is an aspiring singer and is getting pretty good so I envision she and I doing music together over the next few years. Which is good cause I love music.

So in response to JazzGtr, I know exactly what you are talking about. I wish you luck, but my best advice is an old Zappa tune "Shut Up And Play Guitar"

When I got on this site a couple of years ago I thought Wow a way to meet musicians by just sitting behind my keyboard. Well it doesnt work that way, this is a good place for advice and entertainment. But its not going to move your musical career anywhere. The only way to do that is get out there and do it. If you are acoustic most citys have open mic nights that you can participate in and get your feet wet in front of people. Belive me if you suck someone will tell you. Then you know what you need to work on, back to what I said before its a constant learning process.

Rick I guess I should say welcome to the club, but I wouldnt quit my day job. Do the math and look at things realistically before you make some huge change in your life.

#36262 by JazzGtr
Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:43 pm
JW,

That's the kind of advice we all need to hear from a season musician like yourself. You opened up my eyes and got me thinking about some stuff.

Rick,

Your last post sounds like a song you should write man. Go for it!

Thanks.

JazzGtr

#36264 by Rick Stringfellow
Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:16 pm
jw. No sweat, man. Thanks for the nod.

What I've discovered since my wife and I separated is that I had bought into my wife's standard of living, and that it just doesn't work for me. I'll be able to retire in five years, and any income from music would just be supplemental to my retirement income. Your advice is quite sound - I especially like what you said about not going out half-way ready.

I play and sing well enough to hold my own. I just don't have the stage skills. For most of my life I've had factory jobs. I used to think I was a sociophobe, but found out differently when a year ago I got a job that requires human interaction. I've discovered that what people appreciate most is a little attention. Give 'em that and they're on cloud nine. I want to adapt the skills I've learned over the last year to performing, and I think I know how to do it.

I really appreciate your comments. And I'm looking forward to more in the future.

#36272 by Hayden King
Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:00 pm
whoops! sorry Rick. eye got confudled!
better burn another one n get straight.
*(;>)-~

#36547 by TheCaptain
Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:26 pm
btw, what's this part mean?

"where people believe there's enough for everybody"
#36549 by Rick Stringfellow
Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:33 pm
What a fantastic question. Mr. piping, I have a profound respect for you.

"Enough for everybody" comes out of the "win/win" paradigm. I don't need to screw you out of what you have in order to get what I want. Happiness isn't a competition. Success is when everyone prospers.

#36562 by TheCaptain
Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:54 pm
I'm tempted to push further to hear exactly what you mean, but I don't wanna drag thread down with non-essentials...

:lol:

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