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Reading all this stuff makes my head spin. I've had to deal a few times with shifty characters in the music business. Life's too short to screw around with B.S. Here's my deal. You tell me the venue, when and where, and how long you want me to play. I'll give you my price. Agreeed? I come and play. Right at the end of the last song you hand me the cash and hopefully everyone's happy. ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS IS B.S. I'D RATHER GO FISHING. LATER...

http://forum.bandmix.com/viewtopic.php?t=5955&start=105

"...This made me do alot of soul searching though. Especially comments suggesting that the world has to be my vision of it.

I can see very easily how I come across like that.

It is a personal liability and something I need to work on.

... It must have seemed like I was trying to direct Mike's entire career path, and forcefully so. That wasn't really my intention...

...In any event, I need work on my social skills.

And again, I apologize to anyone for anything done intentionally or anything misunderstood.

I like everyone here, and long ago, I learned that I could disagree with anyone on the most serious issues, and look past it at their unique values and qualities.

There is something I have found to appreciate and value about everyone here, and I feel badly, that doesn't always come across.
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Craig Maxim

"Southern Mischief"

http://www.SouthernMischiefBand.com "

Posted: 12 Jun 2008 09:28 pm



"...I need work on my social skills."

"...I apologize to anyone for anything done intentionally or anything misunderstood. "

"...I need work on my social skills."

"...I apologize to anyone for anything done intentionally or anything misunderstood. "

"...I need work on my social skills."

"...I apologize to anyone for anything done intentionally or anything misunderstood. "

"...I need work on my social skills."

"...I apologize to anyone for anything done intentionally or anything misunderstood. "

"...I need work on my social skills."

"...I apologize to anyone for anything done intentionally or anything misunderstood. "

"In any event, I need work on my social skills. "


"I like everyone here, and long ago, I learned that I could disagree with anyone on the most serious issues, and look past it at their unique values and qualities.

There is something I have found to appreciate and value about everyone here, and I feel badly, that doesn't always come across."

Ace, glad to see you moving forward with your festival. I can see why you would avoid the forums in the future. You mentioned a venue you wanted to try & someone belittled it with odd broad statements. When you responded, you were slammed by a whole bunch of ppl. And now this guy won't let you alone.

I applaud your efforts, & would advise that you stay & communicate with the rest of us; that you keep doing what you think is right for you, your co., & your clients; & simply respond with the quote above whenever this guy wants to start up more stuff with you, unless you want to stroke him. He responds well to that, too.

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apology

"Main Entry: apol·o·gy
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈpä-lə-jē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural apol·o·gies
Etymology: Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French apologie, from Late Latin apologia, from Greek, from apo- + logos speech — more at legend
Date: 1533
1 a: a formal justification : defense b: excuse 2a
2: an admission of error or discourtesy accompanied by an expression of regret <a>
3: a poor substitute : makeshift"

When I 1st read the above quote in that other thread, I thought he was using the word "apologize" as a variation of the #2 definition above. I didn't realize it was a justification (#1) for his demand of an apology (the #2 type) from others. It seems to be, in the final analysis, to be a #3 type, i.e., a poor substitute for a true public apology, judging from his subsequent actions in this forum.

I apologize if I've been wrong, unclear, or seem divisive, petty & mean.

Dang,

Here we go again

Who wants popcorn?

How many pages is this going to be?

Oh, Craig, if you have no interest in their offers, don't argue. It's getting really tiring. As simple as that. I hope this doesn't convey the impression that I'm rude, because I'm not.

Believe what ever you want mr. wanna be classic rock star. my cousin tom (Thomas Bellini) was signed to Atlantic records in 1987, he released his first Album with Atlantic in 1989 called The Rich Don't Rock, there is a discography at http://www.rockdetector.com/discography ... 266E34C779

if you'd like to check it out. Tom is the lead singer. Its damn good hair band music, but atlantic didn't promote him, they signed him and recorded him then left the band out to fend for themselves under a contract that is designed to fail. But I don't know sh*t, right? these are all verifiable facts.

Believe what you will about me, you will see. the smart ones who have signed on to this show already, and those who will, will benefit, and you will still be home playing with yourself and your friends.

Enjoy. I don't need your help, your so called 7000 connections. You call ME full of sh*t...lol

Phil,

We have had alot of discussions, and though we have disagreed alot, we have also agreed on quite a few issues, and shared important and personal events in our lives, discussed our values, goals, etc...

Now I am... "this guy"?

But you have nothing but praise and apologies to some newbie pretending to be somebody in the music industry who threatens people's careers... their careers dude. But you brown nose this guy, cause you may get a gig out of it?

That's awesome.

Yeah...whats going on with this Philybon dude lately... fuk dat sh*t... If this freakin' ace lyin dipshit gets called out and can't defend himself... more power to Craig.... I hate double talk in the music industry... just give me the fukkin' gig, pay me what we agreed to, if ya don't like me, don't have me back.... but cut the freakin lies!!

Tom is the lead singer. Its damn good hair band music, but atlantic didn't promote him, they signed him and recorded him then left the band out to fend for themselves under a contract that is designed to fail.

As I said. Tom is nobody. So, your family is from Germany? This group formed in Bonn.

But I don't know sh*t, right?

About the music industry? Correct.

Believe what you will about me, you will see. the smart ones who have signed on to this show already, and those who will, will benefit, and you will still be home playing with yourself and your friends.

Oooh... the "smart ones" huh?

This is a once in a lifetime career building event in West Virginia, is it? Organized by a DJ with the power to end careers... if anyone calls him a moron. One day I will look back and realize, that this one event, was the pinnacle of my career, and I blew it. A DJ in West Virginia held the keys to the castle, and I called him out publicly, now it's only small time cover bars for me, from here on out.

LMAO!

Enjoy. I don't need your help, your so called 7000 connections. You call ME full of sh*t...lol

You know Michael, logic goes over well for most people here, but not all. You run a small DJ business in West Virginia. Your cousin was shelved by a label once, 20 years ago, and never went anywhere, but somehow, through that, you gained power and influence in the music industry. But you are "saving" all the favors you are owed. You have the influence to end careers in the music business, but not to make anything of your own artists. You have the power to end careers in the music business, but you couldn't save your cousin's career.

In a logical world, we would call that Bullsh*t!

But don't worry, you have a fan or two here, that willingly suspend critical thought, at the prospect of someone letting them play a charity gig. And as long as there are people like that, there will always be people like you.

I dont' really have the time, but I'll try to help you understand.

This very thread started out very nice.

A.) Ace explained about his event
B.) He expanded upon it & gave his phone #
C.) You claimed he was changing things & seemed suspicious
D.) He ignored your post & gave more info
E.) Evidently, after he'd emailed you & explained thing a bit, you apologised & asked for an apology to make things "fair?"
F.) He explained himself, & apologised in his own way
G.) He gave more info
H.) You found itr necessary to discount his apology, & listed his supposed wrongs, on the one hand, while yakking about your politics on the other
I.) He let his apology stand, as I would have, yet apologised again at the same time, while fighting back as anyone would after all the crap you've given him


From there you had to go on to attack his co., his every remark, & his very person, as you are wont to do when you come up against someone who disagrees with you.

I have read page after page of what kind of person you think you are, Craig - how helpful you are to ppl, how educated you are, how smart you are, etc etc etc. I gotta tell you, actions speak to me. When you act like this, you come up way short with me as a grown adult, as a well-rounded individual, & as a person I'd like to know better. So far, you have merely shown how little you know about dealing with ppl, & how needy & fragile your ego is.

It all seems to continually come down to your ego. You NEED Ace to crawl & beg forgiveness, & when he won't, you will continue to attack without mercy until you get your way. Is it so necessary to tell him that his brother is a nobody? That HE is a nobody?

You dealt with me the same way until we could come to a point of agreement. It's not a very good way to deal with most of us here outside of your head.

Until you can grow up a bit & live & let live, for me, you will always be "this guy."

Ace has done nothing - NOTHING - to warrant the continued attack you have made on his co., his past, or his very person. He's got a small co. So what? He's just starting out. He made some remarks off the cuff in the heat of the moment. So what? Can you get over NOTHING? Even the frikken charity he's using should fit oh so well within your own political beliefs. So why are you trying so hard to punish him? Because he won't bend any more to you?

I wouldn't either, Craig.

Oh It was I who called the dude a moron. Then I apologized when I was called on my poor demeanor. Now all I can say is f**k you and your contacts.

Phil,

Your order of events is incorrect in my view.

He proposed a Peace Concert.

Sans told him that it was a waste of time, seeing as how peace has never existed throughout history. This was not a personal insult, but a general statement.

Michael made it personal when he said Sans was on drugs and led a miserable life.

THAT is where it became a personal attack.

It escalated from there.

I was offended that someone comes into a community, on the pretense of being a professional, and engages in personal assaults merely because someone gave him a history lesson. He admitted that it was actually, himself, who was on drugs that night though. Fine.

But he then perpetuated a FARCE, where he threatened people's careers. And immensely exaggerated his standing and his supposed powers of influence.

I apologized for labeling ALL his efforts, merely because he lied about much of it, and having made the first effort, I felt he owed the group a public apology for making threats against people's careers.

He didn't see fit to do that, but instead reiterated that he did indeed have such power, but mercifully, was not going to waste such connections on ruining someone's career.

So, no, the apology is not appropriate because he refuses to apologize for the worst offense, and in fact, repeats it instead.

And you think he has done nothing wrong?

Threatening to RUIN someone's career.

And you not only see nothing wrong with such an action, but you actually are willing to work with such an individual.

HE lifted up his cousin Tom's relationship with Atlantic as the source of his own alleged connections. HE DID THAT. I merely refuted such a ridiculous assertion, by pointing out that his cousin was a "nobody" as we all are, as regards success in the majors.

It is as if someone claimed to be the real Elvis, and I told him that Elvis was dead, and he was NOT in fact, really Elvis. And you jump all over me for pointing this truth out.

PHIL:

"Craig, why are you telling this guy he is not Elvis? Of course he's Elvis! He said so himself, and besides, he promised me a tour of Graceland! How dare you! I'm sorry Elvis, some people on these forums just don't get it.... now... will I meet Priscilla too, when we go to Graceland?"

Craig, seems like a bunch of wasted energy on a small operator. If someone seems irrelevant why get so wound up on him? Sounds like your band is doing GREAT, playing some good gigs with prospects of better gigs in the not so distant future. Don't waste your time with small fry. There's bigger fish to go after. Later...

i have offered to play at the benefit. i dont care about who is or isn't anything. i dont care who is right or wrong. if i can have an audience of up to 10,000 to share my music (my soul) with, thats good enough for me. i dont care if he makes $500,000 from the show. i dont care if there is not one A&R rep there. eye will be happy to perform for the fan's, the troop's family's, vet's, and for myself! if you have a paying gigg or its a long distance, then dont go! if you cant think of or plan anything better for the date, then why not do it? i have "nothing" better to do than play to a large audience on that day. if it dosent work out for the promoter, its more of a loss for him than me! if there are only 200 people there, we'll have a good time and share some music.
sincerely
Hayden King

^^^^^^^^^

Yeah... right ....I call BS on your post....You don't even have enough funds to get yourself out of your hood in lil ole Kentucky... unless this post:http://forum.bandmix.com/viewtopic.php?t=6066 is bullshit! That was posted 3 days ago and you've managed to accquire a full band to do all your tunes already and have enough cash to get your ass down to WV??? Ummmmm...... Nah... This is why people get pissed!

waaaay tooo many freakin' liars on this damn site.....

It's still a contest for you, isnt it?

For the record, I will probably have to pass on this gig. Things here at my end aren't as stable as I'd like them to be for me to make any longer term plans.

He DID apologise. Several times, if you look at the threads.

Since you brought it up, again - yes - sans basically belittled the event & Ace overreacted a bit, as we all can do occasionally. Get over it. Quit blowing everything out of proportion. It's a mole hill at best.

The worst offense - that's what it always comes down to with you - "he did worse stuff than I did, teacher. why am I the bad guy?" He jumped through all of your hoops. He apologised, several times, looking back over it. Still it isn't enough.

I see no need for you or anyone to jam up the forum with this tripe.

fastfret, blunderingeye & Bob all tried to get this to stop before I even made a comment. They were gentle with you about it.

Andragon, Bob & blunderingeye have also tried to stop this hate fest after I made my 1st comment.

You are being boorish. Just stop. If you think it's all about the principle of the thing, it isn't. It's just thrash & trash & pointless, since it seems as if you aren't going to get what you want from Ace.

Your continued ravings have managed to pit sans against me & crip against blunderingeye. It's spilling over onto other ppl. Can you not see how divisive all of this is? how POINTLESS? Do you FEED on this type of interaction between ppl?

Look, sans, I don't want to talk about this stuff anymore. Sorry I came down on you like I did. It wasn't my place to do so. Looking back over it all, I've come to the conclusion that perhaps it was my intervention that got "this guy" so riled up in the 1st place, & it spilled over onto Ace. He seems to thrive on arguing with certain ppl, & I seem to be one of them.

I don't see why he needs so much counter-productive nasty stuff in his life, but I don't need it in mine.

So go ahead & have at it. I'll check back later in the hope that more of us have outgrown the need for all of this strife & name calling & personal attacking for naught.