General Music Chat

Uh, no. I just dont believe peace exists. Might as well be talkin bout skinny dipping in the sun. That does not mean I love war. I just understand that it is a fact of life. Like death. That does not mean I love death. war sickness and death are not pleasant. Just unavoidable.
So Give me Liberty, and Justice as a cause. War is war and there is nothing you can do about it. Except lay down and die the way the evil bastards want you to.
Ok, I had my say. Enjoy your concert.

Now if it was a biker charity event that would be okay, right sans? But a PEACE rally? OMG!

Set your politics & stuff aside for a second. It's a CHARITY event.

And it's good for musicians.

I'd be in if I could do it.

Turning this into some sort of political rant about war & peace is just distracting from the entire purpose - to have good music & fun in a safe setting.

Grow the hell up & get over yourself.

I have to tell you - many of us here whine about not having venues to play at. Here comes this guy with one, & what do you do? You hit him with a bunch of sh*t.

I'm embarassed to be associated with many of you right now.

We're SUPPOSED to be pro musicians & pro-musician wannabes. Have so few of you actually played at any peace rallies?

I like to call them hippie festivals, & they are a GREAT place to sell merchandise, & to get word out on your various acts. They're also good for meeting ppl to play with, stupid! Get your collective heads out of your asses & look at what might be a very good thing for ALL of us, instead of sitting on your damned high horses & blasting him & running him off, & for WHAT? So you can sit in your living rooms & giggle at how effing clever you are?

I have no idea what the hell set so many of you off on this guy. Yeah, it's for free. Most of them I've played at were free. I would like to get expenses paid, of course, but that's probably out of the question now thanks to you a-holes.

This really pissed me off.

Ace, you have my apologies for all of this stupid crap. If this kind of thing continues, I'll disassociate myself from this forum. That's about all I can do.
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Yeah, Anthony, I just don't get it. What a buncha maroons.

well said phil...i couldnt have said it better myself...most of the people on here are here for fun(or they should be)...and nothing else...its a shame that people who do it for a living are dragged down with the no-marks who live in a dream world and have never had to play to feed themselves or pay there rent...yes kids its all fun being a pro musician....

again ace as i said it looks like me and phill could play for costs...ie gas and whatnot and im sure both of us make your "cut" if you want check www.myspace.com/anthonyhoey and look at my upcoming gigs etc..

again kids dont sh*t where you eat....and dont mess with things you dont understand...

slain.

This forum is kinda weird. I've been here since the start. My original Koolin82 account mysteriously disappeared one time along with all my posts so I had to re up. Plus it used to reset post counts to zero every once in a while.

Anyway it used to be a lot worse than it is now. I remember back at the first of the year I logged on and every single active thread was a flame fest. I quit coming in at all then until just recently. Most of the trolls are gone now thank goodness. I wish all the cool people who left in disgust would come back.

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't get disgusted and leave Philby. Just ignore the stuff that pisses you off cause if the good people leave again it will be nothing but trolls and anal orifices again and that time really sucked.

"made his money on the backs of other artists"//

That's all i needed to hear and you can write my name 100x, ole boy..

I dislike mouth pieces.

I have no idea what the hell set so many of you off on this guy. Yeah, it's for free. Most of them I've played at were free. I would like to get expenses paid, of course, but that's probably out of the question now thanks to you a-holes.

philbymon, I know you didn't mean it to be, but man that was hillarious

@Ace Entertainment -- Just out of curiosity, what is the focus of the charity?
I didn't catch it as I skimmed through this thread. (Though I could just be blind.)

It's the ACE-hole charity. He needs a new house, pool, car, etc. lol

Um, Scott? Do you even know what an "entertainment company" does? Or a "record company?" Or a "studio?" Have you ever heard these words before?

They make thier $ off the musicians' hard work, while supplying a necessary service.

Yeah, he made his money off the musicians' backs. He did his job. If he had done a BAD job, chances are he wouldn't have made a living at it. Therefore the musicians kept coming back to him for his services, & thus we can only assume that they were satisfied by his job performance.

He also mentioned that his companies were DONATING thier time, money, & services, but I guess you skipped over that, too.

My goodness but some ppl in here are slow in the headbones!

Yeah, Zip, it was funny, now that I look at it.

It's also funny that he never got the chance to talk about the actual charity before he got run out by rude thumb-sitters.

Okay. okay. Hold the phone. I've read all the posts here and I'm going to tell you what I think (not that it matters, but anyway).
When I read the IP, I was excited. Although it's a bit of a distance, the event is taking place in an area that is great for exposure. So I asked for more information.
When Ace responded, rather than answer my question, it was to refute the argument about the existence of peace. I will not share my personal philosophy ( You probably don't care about mine, and to be honest, I don't care about yours). It seems to me that a business man would have looked beyond the negativity and addressed the sincere question.
Instead, he responds by suggesting that Sans is using drugs. His second response suggests that we are all foolish. Again, no actual information, just backlash.
It was only when IA and Philbymon responded that some, albeit vague, information began to come out.
And to be fair, we here on Bandmix have been approached by various "promoters", each and every one spouting off their credentials-only to go on the defensive when those credentials are called into question-similar to the way Ace responded.
If it's real, I support it, and I respect you for your ideals. But until I see something concrete, I have to paraphrase MacBeth here: "Sound and Fury...signifying nothing."

Eh, Jo, at that point he was just pissed, as I would be, & likely ready to just leave this joint. I don't blame him. He did eventually answer you, in a fashion, by saying it all depended on how much actual $ was available after it was all said & done.

He WAS asking for "local acts," which I can only assume meant local to the Charlston area. You & I are a bit far to be considered "local." Still, I was interested in the rest of the circuit he spoke of.

Worst part of all of this is when you consider the place where he says:

It will likely be kicking off a multi-genre, multi venue tour to end in mid to late fall. If you are interested in being a part of one or more of the shows, contact @Ace Entertainment Records, 304-208-5638, for more information, please limit phone calls to M-F Noon - 5.

Mike Wills
A&R Rep
Owner, @Ace Entertainment Records

You know, folks, there's probably a whole slew of shows that you could sell your merch at, make great contacts with, & meet other musicians, too. While you're in the various towns, you could also make bar & other festival/fair contacts with that DO pay a bunch. He didn't say that all the shows were gonna be charity events that didn't pay, either. If your act was any good, you might actually get to headline some of these next year. Guess there aren't too many of you that have that kind of confidence in your acts, huh?

I'll never understand why so many stupid ppl like to shoot themselves in the foot. Or why they'd find such joy in doing it to everyone else while they're at it.

Yeah, I get it, Philby. We are all on here, looking for oppurtunities, and when one apparently comes along, we can't wait to set fire to it.
Still, if I walked into a place full of musicians with the intent of making legitimate contacts, I surely wouldn't waste my time discussing their political or religious beliefs. I would steer around those conversations and instead inquire about the issue at hand: "Here's the details on my end. What do you play, what is your experience level, will you be available, etc."

He just got sucked into the debate way too easily, and that makes me suspicious.

Phil,

Name calling? And then you say "grow up"? And you believe this will result in some wonderful business opportunity, but dissenting opinions have "shot it in the foot" for others here? Are you serious? LOL

I'm all for peace rallies LEADING UP to war. When the nation has declared war, which it HAS, through YOUR representatives, then it is time to be unified as a country for the country's sake, and most importantly, for the fighting men and women in a war zone, who see "peace" protests on the news, and all it does is dishearten them, and make them feel they are not supported.

Don't pride yourself on aiding and comforting the enemy, which IS what you are doing through supporting such protests.

Why is it the Democratically controlled Congress doesn't stop funding the war? They know better, that's why. They instead use it as political leverage, and convince the foolish, that the evil Conservatives have tied their hands. They really want to stop the war, they just can't.

Go ahead. Buy into it.

If this kind of thing continues, I'll disassociate myself from this forum. That's about all I can do.

You could get your head out of your ass.

Just a suggestion on something else you could do.

Oh, Craig - blabboo blabboo blabboo all you want about your politics, man. It makes no diff to me or anyone else.

You haven't been to many of these things, I take it. It really has little if anything to do with anything at all except a good time, man. They could call it an armadillo charity concert if they wanted to. Yeah, at some point there's probably gonna be some idjit spouting something political, & that's when nearly everyone leaves the stage area & goes to your booth to buy your merch, or go get a sandwich or a beer. Calling it a "peace rally" assures a peaceful audience, I guess, in some ppl's minds. It isn't a protest.

As long as I've done these things, never have I seen any monies going to anything other than whatever charity they're calling for, & yes, they DO have ppl checking up on them. I've made calls on the 1st couple I played cuz I was concerned about that.

I've done a lot of these things locally, & rarely got paid, &...well...never needed compensation to do the free gig cuz it was so local.

This is the 1st time I've ever considered doing one that was so far away. The local ones have dried up due to the influx of so many ppl, thus reducing the areas we used to play them in to subdivisions. A damned shame, that. I miss the ol' hippie fests.

The funny thing is how amateurish it seems to be at the beginning stages. Ppl don't realize how fluid these events really are. There's some $, yes. The headliner is costing a bunch. There's most likely another act that's getting paid, too. The remainder goes to other things like renting the space if needed, bringing in great (free) acts, hiring some security, & such. They're always a charity even of some sort. Yeah, it all looks pretty questionable at the onset. But every single time I've played at these things, there has been a good crowd that wants the music. There have been great musical acts, good food (& good drugs, if you're into that), & a nice safe atmosphere to play in. I've had no problems, other than the occasional bad sound man, at these things. They are a joy to play, & yeah, you can make a mint off your merch if it's the slightest bit interesting, often even if your act isn't all that.

But in the early stages, they always look like a disaster in the making. Who's REALLY getting all that $? How come I'm not getting paid? Why do I have to pay for parking? Yadda yadda yadda...You can ALWAYS find stuff to bitch about or belittle if you look for it like Scott does.

It's a hippie thing. It's run like they were back in the '60's & '70's. They aren't gonna make you rich & famous, but there will most likely be a whole buncha ppl there who will remember you if you're worth remembering.

I used to get all worked up over whether the event was even real or not, cuz it all looked so disorganized. Never had a single problem. And yes, I HAVE gotten paid at these things a time or two even though I never was the #1 or #2 act. One band I was in sold out of our CD's at one, too.

But, you know, if you think that by playing in a "peace rally" you are actively trying to bring down the gov't or something, you REALLY need to take something for your paranoia. If you think that it will have any affect at all in the areas of "peace" you are deluding yourself. It's just an excuse, Craig & sans, for a party. Can you get that?

Personally, I try to encourage ppl whenever they're doing something musical, even if I don't like the genre or thier ability. I think it's extremely rude for anyone at this site to do otherwise. This IS supposed to be about music, is it not? Do you have to bring your stupid politics & religion into everything that everyone does? If you don't like it, don't go. Don't tell me that I'm empowering the enemy by going or playing at a frikken peace rally, cuz that's just juvenile paranoid BS.

I don't think I'm the one who needs the head/butt separation on this one, Craig, but for the sake of "peace"...LOL...I'll drop it here & now, & after your upcoming response, I hope you have the sense to do the same.

again kids dont sh*t where you eat....and dont mess with things you dont understand...

Try "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" instead. And in fact, no one is being fed, so your argument is irrelevant, as it is a free event. It is also a politically charged event, which means a person's values may now conflict with their art. That is always a difficult decision.

You and Phil seem to be saying "F*ck your beliefs, get exposure."

And that is supposed to be laudable?

It shows a lack of character to me.

Bands who may not support the policies of any given political party, may refuse an offer to play. No matter the amount of money. No matter the degree of exposure. They take a stand on principle.

If it were U2 refusing to play the Republican Convention, you would no doubt cheer and praise them.

So aside from hypocrisy, what else do you and Phil find in common?