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#30067 by Mastrojj
Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:39 pm
All,
I have a paid account on Bandmix. I have recently sent out at least 5 - 7 emails trying to network with other musicians. I get no response. I find it hard to believe that. Is Bandmix email reliable? Has anyone else had any issues?

BTW, Wax Palace out of Waterbury, CT is looking for a new bassist! Email me @ mastrojj@aol.com

www.waxpalace.com

Thanks!

John

#30068 by philbymon
Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:52 pm
Mastro - are you responding to old posts that ppl aren't checking anymore? One way to tell is to look at the text to see the last time your target was active, as you brouse.

Have you looked at thier profile, & read it thoroughly?

Don't be offended. Some ppl don't, & perhaps they aren't seeking ppl at this time.

Other than that, all I can tell you is that I would hesitate to respond to someone who has no music posted on thier profile. Perhaps that's your trouble.

Good luck with it all.

#30071 by blair_rock
Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:16 pm
They get it they just don't respond. I had the same thing happen to me when I first got my account.

#30087 by philbymon
Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:13 pm
As to your question, does it work? Yes...I've had 2 ppl respond to my ad. I answered them both. 1 of them & I traded e's for about a week with no trouble, all right here.

#30114 by The Hunter
Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:21 pm
Try sending out 50-75 emails and then you'll get a response...

#30117 by jw123
Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:50 pm
I get about 1 response out of 15 emails sent on here.

If you really want a response just try emailing them and tell them that you heard they suck at music. This gets a response every time.

The sad truth is that I think about 75% of the people who list on here are wannabe musicians anyway. Like the above post says if someone doesnt have some kind of music posted they cant be very serious. Ive had better success contacting new musicians thru my local craigslist.

#30130 by gbheil
Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:02 pm
"Your music sucketh" From the book of John :D :D :D
Good one JW.

#30145 by jw123
Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:11 pm
George,

I didnt say someones music sucked, in fact if someone just makes the effort to create music either cover or original I think that is great and Im all onboard with them.

What I meant was there are a lot of hobby musicians, and hey I fall in that category, but there are musicians who cant finish a song. I run into this all the time with musicians. Name one song that you can play from start to finish and Ill play it with you. Sounds simple but I see this constantly. If you are wanting to join a group of musicians then you need to have some sort of song list that you can play, and when I say play I mean do the intro, verses, choruss, middle 8s and somehow end it. If you cant do this with 40-50 songs you arent ready to join any thing. And then the original folks, I dont have to play covers cause Im a writer. Come on thats a huge copout saying I can get around the rest of you and do what I want to do and everyone else will get on board.

You can tell Im a little frustrated. Its a pain to move your equipment somewhere to play with new people that are supposedly good and know what they are doing and ready to gig, only to find out they cant finish one stinking song. On top of that my old group thats getting back together found out over the weekend that our longtime bass man has some kind of problem with his hand, like CTS and may not be able to play. He goes to a doctor tuesday to see whats up.

And what does this have to do with bandmix email, not a darn thing!

#30147 by Kramerguy
Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:33 pm
jw123 wrote:What I meant was there are a lot of hobby musicians, and hey I fall in that category, but there are musicians who cant finish a song. I run into this all the time with musicians. Name one song that you can play from start to finish and Ill play it with you. Sounds simple but I see this constantly.


I can't tell you how many times I've run into this situation. It's frustrating as hell. How can people not realize that they can't back up their own claims?

jw123 wrote:And then the original folks, I dont have to play covers cause Im a writer. Come on thats a huge copout saying I can get around the rest of you and do what I want to do and everyone else will get on board.


I never really thought about it in that sense, but you are completely correct. I see quite a few people who seem to feel that they can put a band together, write a bunch of originals and just hit the scene and be universally accepted, without playing any covers. I've always had the feeling that many of them are just too lazy or self-righteous to bother learning anything new. I might be wrong, but, you gotta play covers ifyou are going to play local bars and clubs. Gotta start somewhere...

jw123 wrote:found out over the weekend that our longtime bass man has some kind of problem with his hand, like CTS and may not be able to play. He goes to a doctor tuesday to see whats up.


I feel the pain on that one, physically. I got my test last week - CTS. They got me on a vitamin regiment and wearing a brace at night. Seems to be helping a little, probably delaying the inevitable surgery, but hey.. I'm ok with that!

#30164 by Craig Maxim
Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:12 pm
JW and Kramer...


There is nothing wrong with cover bands.
There is nothing wrong with original bands.

Either one often involves some percentage of both.

Many cover bands will throw in a few originals.
Many original bands will do a few covers.

What is required is deciding what you want out of music.

While there are more venues that are covers venues (because there are lots of small bars where people can play) There are also venues where you will hear almost nothing but originals.

There is no limitations on musicians either. You can always find musicians that are used to being in cover bands and know plenty of covers, and you can always find guys that want to be part of original bands, where they get to create their parts or use their own songs.

There are pros and cons to both, and you just have to decide where you are going with music, and what you want out of it.


COVER BANDS:

PROS: It is easier to get paying gigs as an unknown cover band. People don't have to "learn" your music. They are singing along right away. Covers are easier to learn faster, and there is no shortage of cover songs.

CONS: There is no creativity involved in doing covers. For creative tyoes, this is not very satisfying. You are basically a jukebox, and people are screaming for other people's music, and requesting other people's music.


ORIGINAL BANDS:

PROS: If you believe in your music and creativity, this is the only way to go. Cover bands will always be cover bands. Original bands playing their own music have a shot at success, as far as making it, or even just having your stuff played on local radio stations. When people scream for you, they are screaming for YOUR music, not because they recognize the first four bars of Freebird. Playing originals is the only thing that allows a band to develop their own sound. By default, being a cover band forces you to sound like other bands.

CONS: You will be poor for awhile. A club doesn't care what you play, in all honesty. All that is required to get paid, is to prove that you are a consistent draw, bringing paying customers into the bar every time you play. There is a growing period involved in this, as you build a fan base large enough, that you know when you play, 50 to 100 people will come to see you (in addition to their regular clientelle) and give the bar a good revenue that night.


As far as playing primarily originals being a cop-out, that is a bunch of bullsh*t! Cover bands can learn 10 new songs a week maybe, cause chances are many of the guys in the band have played them at some time or another or at least are already familiar with the songs, and you are merely mimicking a song and arrangement that has already been written. That is FAR EASIER than actually writing the material yourself, creating the arrangement, and the band developing their own parts. It requires crafting and lots of work to create "good" songs from scratch.

Of course, if your musicians suck, that is another story. But if your musicians suck you have no business playing out yet, whether covers or originals. Practice some more, and play your friend's parties in the meantime.

My band is an originals oriented band, where we do maybe 90% originals to 10% covers. Some covers we do as if the radio is playing them, but it is more fun for us, when doing covers, to tweak them or put our own spin on them. We do an old Christopher Cross song "Ride Like The Wind" for example, that rocks out. That song always sounded like it was written more as a rocking song anyway, so we do it that way. Keeping the essence of the song, so that everyone recognizes it, but we rock the hell out of it. I think our version is better. :-)

We're also doing a "Mischiefied" version of Stevie Wonder's "Superstition" , at our next gig, where we do a similar thing. It's got the funky clav-toned bass line underneath as the meat of the song, just like the original, but since we don't have wind instruments in the band, the choice is to play them on keys, or for us, better yet, to play them on wailing guitars, with some mischievous lead guitar solos.

But we also do Journey's "Fathfully" and Motley Crue's "Home Sweet Home" and Nickelback's "If Everyone Cared" and other songs, that sound pretty much like the records.

Some songs just shouldn't be screwed with, cause you will not always improve on the original.

#30167 by gbheil
Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:20 pm
I understand you well John. I was simply musing at the mental image I got from your original response.

#30204 by philbymon
Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:13 pm
I'm just about ready to quit it all & start writing music for video games & cartoons!

Maybe I'll try that open mic 1st...

#30277 by jw123
Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:05 pm
Craig,

You obviously can play music, covers or originals, Im not debating that issue. My point is the people who say I only do originals and cant play one cover. When a person starts playing you have to play some kind of song to learn. I stand by what I said some people use the original deal as a cop out, cause they dont want to put in the time to learn their instrument. An original player should have some kind of background in covers in my opinion. The best songwriters have to at some point learn some cover songs in order to just know the structure and forms of music in general.

Its odd to me that you go to great lengths to say what I said was bullshit but in the next breath you cite all the songs you can play just like the radio. You proved my point in saying that didnt you?


I am just a little frustrated with some deals Ive run into lately.


Promoting yourself as the next big thing is fine if youve got the talent to back it up. Promoting yourself as the next big thing and not being able to make it thru one song is false advertising in my opinion.

#30279 by Kramerguy
Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:53 pm
My sentiments exactly JW.

I DO originals, I am a creativity type. I have nothing against original songs or bands.

But I didn't just pick up my guitar 25 years ago and start strumming awesome original riffs. I had to learn stuff. We all have to learn something. Those who claim otherwise are, as you stated well JW, falsely advertising.

#30337 by RoCo
Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:37 am
jw123 wrote:I get about 1 response out of 15 emails sent on here.

If you really want a response just try emailing them and tell them that you heard they suck at music. This gets a response every time.

The sad truth is that I think about 75% of the people who list on here are wannabe musicians anyway. Like the above post says if someone doesnt have some kind of music posted they cant be very serious. Ive had better success contacting new musicians thru my local craigslist.


First off that is so funny. Secondly, some are posers, some are looking to be a hired gun, some are trying to join or start a band on their own terms. Whatever the case is, there are a lot of profiles with no samples and no contact #. Can they really be taken seriously? Sorry if some of you don't and are reading this. But regardless of the stage you're at, there is a band for you, put something up.

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