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#29492 by neanderpaul
Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:01 am
OK I've posted Jimmy Hendrix Covers, live original R&B looping, live original and cover A Capella looping, original Rock instrumentals, original sheer pop attempts, and this is as different from those as they all are from each other. I guarantee it will surprise you. :wink: (hint, I'm the guy facing the camera and waving his hand around. 8)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TQkjxzufwow

#29493 by HowlinJ
Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:33 am
Holy Smokes Neanderpaul!
I've been told from some good fellow keyboard players over the years that I have a pretty strong right hand. But I gotta tell ya, Mine hasn't gotten a workout like THAT since I was about thirteen!
:oops:
Howlin'

#29497 by lalong
Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:09 am
lol hats off to you neanderpaul. I’m surprised at the level of conscious effort, from my personal experience it’s not typical. (I don’t want to totally give it away). just curious, whether it was the subject, a matter of enthusiasm, or practice that made the difference?

#29501 by jimmydanger
Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:21 am
Wow Paul, I thought I clicked the wrong link. But very cool just the same.

#29503 by neanderpaul
Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:26 am
Hey thanks everybody. You are doing a great job at not giving it away. Like the title says, it's a surprise. My need for diversity is deep and wide. :wink:

#29518 by gbheil
Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:05 am
Cool, Me thinks you could use a demon kickin rock band. :twisted:

#29527 by Craig Maxim
Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:20 am
Cool Paul!

I used to be the interim music director of a church myself.

But what is this about no instruments? Sounds like the Church of Christ or something.

The Bible is REPLETE with stories of musical instruments used to praise God. Did you guys miss the HUNDREDS of verses mentioning this? LOL

Here are a few...

1Chr. 15:15 And the Levites carried the ark of God with the poles on their shoulders, as Moses had commanded in accordance with the word of the LORD. 16David told the leaders of the Levites to appoint their brothers as singers to sing joyful songs, accompanied by musical instruments: lyres, harps and cymbals.


1Chr. 23:4 David said, "Of these, twenty-four thousand are to supervise the work of the temple of the LORD and six thousand are to be officials and judges. 5Four thousand are to be gatekeepers and four thousand are to praise the LORD with the musical instruments I have provided for that purpose."


Psalm 5
For the director of music. For flutes. A psalm of David.


Ps. 33:1 Sing joyfully to the LORD, you righteous; it is fitting for the upright to praise him. 2Praise the LORD with the harp; make music to him on the ten-stringed lyre. 3Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy.


Ps. 54:0 For the director of music. With stringed instruments. A maskil of David.


Ps. 67:0 For the director of music. With stringed instruments. A psalm. A song.


Ps. 71:21 You will increase my honor and comfort me once again. 22I will praise you with the harp for your faithfulness, O my God; I will sing praise to you with the lyre, O Holy One of Israel.


Jer. 31:3 The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness. 4I will build you up again and you will be rebuilt, O Virgin Israel. Again you will take up your tambourines and go out to dance with the joyful.


Rev. 5:7 He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. 8And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song

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Mind that last one especially. Musical instruments are acceptable in Heaven itself, but not in church?

All throughout the old and new testaments, musical instruments were used to praise God.

God seems to like musicians, especially when they are playing for him.

#29567 by gbheil
Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:10 pm
Uh was C.O.C. Me still thinks they need a demon kickin rock band :twisted:

#29569 by neanderpaul
Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:15 pm
Craig, You got it right. I am a member of the Church of Christ. I posted in a couple of older threads here that I would never use instruments when praising God in song. Concerning old testament instances of musical instruments - many times it's mentioned it goes something like... “Woe to them … that sing idle songs to the sound of the viol; that invent for themselves instruments of music like David” (Amos 6:1,5).

When using the old testament to defend an idea about worship it seems galations 5:3 is pertinent. -

Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

There were people who were trying to bind the old testament law of Circumcision. He was saying If you are binding part of the old testament law, you have to bind all of it. So if you are saying that instruments are ok by the authority of the old testament then you have to burn a bull as a sacrifice, keep the sabbath, etc etc.


Concerning musical instruments in new testament prophecy about heaven, God will be running that show and I'll be happy to follow his lead.

Concerning new testament examples and commandments of music in worship - every time it's mentioned it says to sing and that's all it says. Yes EVERY time.

Speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord (Ephesians 5:19).

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord (Colossians 3:16).

Why do some churches teach that it is wrong to use musical instruments to accompany our singing during Christian worship assemblies when the above verses don't precisely forbid it?

I think most will agree that God has specifically instructed (even "commanded") Christians to sing as part of the worship that He expects (even "demands"). Since He has not commanded nor even suggested to us to play musical instruments in worship, we can be absolutely certain that if we don't use musical instruments, then He will be pleased with Christians singing if their worship comes from the heart.

For me Craig, it's easy. I know the Church that Christ established sang in worship. I also know that hundreds of years later a human had the idea to add an instrument to worship, therefore it didn't come from God or the bible.

#29572 by gbheil
Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:28 pm
The Sabbath was made for man, not man made for the Sabbath.
I respect your belief, and would not contest it.
Yet I will make a loud noise unto the lord, and if it be sin, He, my Father will forgive me through the blood of his Son.
Was a lovely service by the way. Good job.

#29576 by TheCaptain
Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:55 pm
wow.
I'm not sure I know what to say.
I'm tempted to debate this one into the frikin dust, I'll just leave it
that these fellows certainly wouldn't like my church much.

#29596 by gbheil
Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:43 pm
Now Rich, come on man you need to expound on that.
I grew up in very traditional Missouri Synod Lutherin Churches.
In my teens and twenties I rebelled against the traditions. In many ways I still do with my musical style. I also still enjoy going to the traditional services. (except our little congrgation has taken to singing the Lords Prayer it just does not seem appropriate to me.)

#29608 by Craig Maxim
Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:26 pm
You are living under the law brother.

Sans hit it just right. The law was made for man, not the other way around. To forbid instruments is legalism, it is elevating a physical law, over the law of the heart. The New Testament nowhere forbids instruments.

Why then are instruments not generally mentioned there?

The church grew out of poverty. The entire culture and society was behind worship where the Jews were concerned. Elaborate temples were built, the entire city came out to worship. One of the tribes, the Levites, had a primary responsibility of performing religious services, including singing and YES, playing musical instruments during service. In one example, a 4000 member orchestra was created. Nowhere to be found does God judge or forbid that. When you find admonitions about singing and playing, and God's judgement coming. It is not because they are singing and playing instruments, but because they are doing these things as if everything is ok, and nothing is wrong, when their hearts are dark and not spiritual. God is concerned with the heart, not with law and not with superficial observances. Maybe in your own church, people are so proud of themselves for not using instruments, when at home, some of them beat their wives or commit adultery. THIS is what God is judging, not the actual singing or playing of musical instruments itself.

People met in homes to worship together. They were under threat of death by orthodox Jews, and then later by Romans and others. For centuries, they met in hidden places. The sign of the fish as a Christian symbol, is in fact secret code, for Christians to recognize other Christians. In this environment, secrecy was required. Should we then now, also maintain secrecy when we don't have to? Of course not. Neither then, should we abandon instruments to praise God, merely because in the early church it was not practical, and in fact only increased the danger of being found out and destroyed.

The early church met in private homes. By that example, should we not meet in homes rather than construct sanctuaries and buildings for such purposes? You don't have a problem with building those apparently.

You basically claim that "silence" is almost a forbiddance of the act itself. And even in recognizing that it doesn't specifically forbid such practice, you choose to "play it safe" anyway.

I noticed that you don't feel that way concerning air-conditioning, video equiptment and microphones and speakers. the New Testament is absolutely silent on all these things, and yet you have ALL of them in your sanctuary.

I think, following your own advice, you should "play it safe" and stop video taping services, stop using microphones and speakers and air-conditioning as well. Electric lights are out too. Get some candles in there.

Don't you agree?

One can never be too careful! ;-)

#29611 by Craig Maxim
Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:58 pm
Paul,

I am not trying to belittle your faith, but what I recognize, is that it is not very different than MANY other sects and offshoots that find a little scripture (or the lack of it) and form a whole new religion out of it.

Your church has found that instruments are not mentioned as being used in service in the New Testaments church. Therefore, let's create a whole offshoot of Christianity that follows suit.

Another group read the Bible and discovered, OMG... the sabath is actually on Saturday NOT Sunday? OMG... no one else must have put this together until I did!!!! This is HUGE!!!! Well, better create a new religion, and we'll call it Seventh Day Adventists. Forget that Christ rose on Sunday, and thereafter, for Christians, it became the NEW sabath, through example of the disciples themselves. Forget that part. Let's make a new religion.

Someone else read a verse that said God is Jehova!!! God is Jehova???!!!! That must be his sole name!!!! Why the heck aren't we just calling him Jehova then? No one else must have read this verse but me!!!! You know what? We need a new religion!!!! Let's call it Jehova's Witnesses, to emphasize that every other church gets this wrong but us!!! Forget that the bible lists dozens if not hundreds of names for God, and that because the Jews forbade themselves from ever printing God's name, that we can NEVER be sure what vowels would have been appropriate. No, let's just make a new religion!

I could go on and on.

Jesus said that his disciples would be known for our love for one another. I don't see love for one another. I see SEPARATION based on trivial matters, and usually misunderstood verses.

But I don't see unity and love for one another.

Let's keep those instruments away from the church doors, let's call God only Jehova, and let's worship on Saturday rather than Sunday, and lets...

Let the world go to hell, cause we are more concerned about religious ceremony than expressing God's heart of love for mankind.

This is something that has bothered me for DECADES about Christianity, so it is not just a swipe at COC. It is the same with certain baptists who refuse to clap or show emotion in church, who are against charismatic churches who do so, and those same charismatic churches judging more conservative churches who don't, cause they are not "in the spirit".

Divide and conquer is the strategy of evil.

Sadly, it appears to be working quite well today in Christianity.
Last edited by Craig Maxim on Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

#29616 by TheCaptain
Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:43 pm
man I saw that coming...

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