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#288803 by schmedidiah
Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:56 pm
Why is Harley Davidson moving production overseas? For fun?
#288804 by DainNobody
Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:11 pm
Tariffs?..bass boats=no tariffs?
#288808 by Mordgeld
Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:30 pm
schmedidiah wrote:Why is Harley Davidson moving production overseas? For fun?


It remains to be seen how this decision shakes out. Is it political posturing or a sound business decision? Where have their competitors been building their stuff?
#288852 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:31 pm
Ancient Vegan wrote:So I guess more than half the country thinks Trump isn't a racist. :shock:




No one has proven that he is. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say he helped them in the 80s when no one else would. I've seen dozens of people from various races state emphatically how he helped them and has not a racist bone in his body.

The (known and proven) liars on the left are the only people making that charge. A bunch racists screaming "racism" is hardly proof.



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#288855 by Mordgeld
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:25 pm
yod wrote:
Ancient Vegan wrote:So I guess more than half the country thinks Trump isn't a racist. :shock:




No one has proven that he is. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say he helped them in the 80s when no one else would. I've seen dozens of people from various races state emphatically how he helped them and has not a racist bone in his body.

The (known and proven) liars on the left are the only people making that charge. A bunch racists screaming "racism" is hardly proof.



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There was no problem with him until he got an 'R' after his name. Someone should let them know it stands for Republican, not racist. It certainly isn't clear how he made anyone's life worse other than the people that are determined to be super butt-hurt that he won. I see articles complaining about stuff he did except it happened before him or hadn't even happened yet. Remember when half the country all lost their shite like this and went bat-shite crazy for 2008-2016? Neither do I. Seems like the people shrieking racism might be a wee bit over the top.
#288863 by schmedidiah
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:08 pm
It was the speech. Mexico. Rapists. That's when this whole thing got snowballing. I live right by Mexico. I don't have very high opinions of the country or a lot of people who come from there. But Jesus. Try to sound like a politician for 5 minutes sometime. :roll:
#288871 by Mordgeld
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:33 pm
schmedidiah wrote:It was the speech. Mexico. Rapists. That's when this whole thing got snowballing. I live right by Mexico. I don't have very high opinions of the country or a lot of people who come from there. But Jesus. Try to sound like a politician for 5 minutes sometime. :roll:


Well, that's kind of the crux of it. People who sound like politicians seem to be telling us we don't need any borders. Everyone is tired of political double-speak. (or, at least half the country is) I'd have to check if he seems to be implying that all Mexicans are rapists. That would be a bit much. To say that undocumented immigrants (illegal aliens) are lawbreakers by definition might seem harsh, but it is technically true. If he can do the right thing regardless of his abrasive, off-the-cuff attitude, then that would have to suffice lest perfect be the enemy of good enough.
#288876 by Planetguy
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:48 pm
Mordgeld wrote:... I'd have to check if he seems to be implying that all Mexicans are rapists. That would be a bit much.



so "all" would be "a bit much"....what then WOULD be the correct and acceptable figure that would make it less of a callous and inappropriate public statement to make...say 50% or 40%???? or maybe "most"? "many"?
#288878 by Mordgeld
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:03 pm
Planetguy wrote:
Mordgeld wrote:... I'd have to check if he seems to be implying that all Mexicans are rapists. That would be a bit much.



so "all" would be "a bit much"....what then WOULD be the correct and acceptable figure that would make it less of a callous and inappropriate public statement to make...say 50% or 40%???? or maybe "most"? "many"?


You are misreading my intent. Let me rephrase. If he is suggesting anyone other than rapists are rapists that would be a bit much. (as in exaggeration/hyperbole which I would prefer he did not do) As I said, I'd have to listen again to see if the interpretation is clear or if it is just semantic games. It is kind of like disambiguating a scale. Did he say something that is clear in meaning or could his words be interpreted incorrectly. To be fair, I'm a cynical optimist. I think people suck, but I try to give them the benefit of the doubt if I'm not sure yet. You did assume I was saying something terrible, did you not?
#288880 by Planetguy
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:16 pm
Mordgeld wrote:
Planetguy wrote:. You did assume I was saying something terrible, did you not?


i did not...but i will point out that you just assumed something terrible that i did.

i'll also point out that i've always avoided using the word "disambiguate" because it's a word that needs disambiguating.

i love language as much as the next guy but as the saying goes "eschew obfuscation". this is something i also try to apply to my playing and why i've always gravitated towards players who say more while playing less. 8)
#288882 by Mordgeld
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:33 pm
Planetguy wrote:
Mordgeld wrote:
Planetguy wrote:. You did assume I was saying something terrible, did you not?


i did not...but i will point out that you just assumed something terrible that i did.

i'll also point out that i've always avoided using the word "disambiguate" because it's a word that needs disambiguating.

i love language as much as the next guy but as the saying goes "eschew obfuscation". this is something i also try to apply to my playing and why i've always gravitated towards players who say more while playing less. 8)


I asked you if you a question because I thought you missed my meaning. You answered it: "i did not". I don't see a problem with that. I did not want you to think I was suggesting it was okay to smear innocent people. In context, I used a musical term as an analogy for getting to the clear meaning (if possible) of what is being said. If anything, I'm trying to be quite clear where I stand. Musically, I agree with you. The philosophy for each musician in the current music project I'm in is "how can I make everyone else sound good?" You have to examine other people's views and how they relate to you. Sometimes that means hard questions and missed meanings, but better to ask and know than to be ignorant.
#288883 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:36 pm
Mordgeld wrote:
Planetguy wrote:
Mordgeld wrote:... I'd have to check if he seems to be implying that all Mexicans are rapists. That would be a bit much.



so "all" would be "a bit much"....what then WOULD be the correct and acceptable figure that would make it less of a callous and inappropriate public statement to make...say 50% or 40%???? or maybe "most"? "many"?


You are misreading my intent. Let me rephrase. If he is suggesting anyone other than rapists are rapists that would be a bit much. (as in exaggeration/hyperbole which I would prefer he did not do) As I said, I'd have to listen again to see if the interpretation is clear or if it is just semantic games. It is kind of like disambiguating a scale. Did he say something that is clear in meaning or could his words be interpreted incorrectly. To be fair, I'm a cynical optimist. I think people suck, but I try to give them the benefit of the doubt if I'm not sure yet. You did assume I was saying something terrible, did you not?


You just showed weakness Mordgeld, by showing compassion and sympathy.
These guys will try to rip you apart. Just for fun.
Unfortunately you have already pissed off one of the smarter or should I say self fermenting.

He is a decent player, and swapping words with him is like a chess game... UNTIL HE GETS NASTY!
Thought, don't get involved unless you are looking for an all out insult war.

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