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No. Glennies first choice of weapon is his razor sharp mind!

I guess I missed the explanation of the "Brawndo generation".

Battle rifles, are banned in America except for military , police, and special permitting.

Personally a full auto would not be my first choice of weapons.

Brawndo is a reference to the movie Idiocracy where people in the future are facing extinction because they are too stupid to even grow food properly. Brawndo was a Gator-ade like drink. They figured if it gave people energy, it would be great for plants. They were saved by a "genius" from the past that had the great idea to use water for plants.


Example: The Lee Enfield rifle (SMLE) in .303 Brit is a main battle rifle first created in 1895. It is a fast bolt action that is a little less powerful than a modern .308 Win. During WW1, the Germans actually thought that they were facing machine gun fire due to the proficiency of the Brits with the short bolt throw on the SMLE rifle. This is a battle rifle and quite legal. You must be thinking of of the term "Assault rifle" which refers to more recent small caliber automatic weapons. The idea being that the individual soldier could carry more ammunition and even though it was seriously under-powered a wounded enemy would consume more personnel and resources to tend to them. While manufacture is restricted to military applications, existing fully automatic weapons in circulation are not (Federally) illegal in the US. They are subject to a tax stamp and background check. The cost of the tax stamp plus the cost of the weapon is usually sufficient to prevent most people from owning one. Since there was no constitutional way to ban a type of weapon that clearly has militia uses, the tax plus restrictions on manufacture is as much as they could do short of an ex post facto law situation.

Mordgeld

Correct. Even though I have occasionally miss-used the term "battle rifle" in my books, the true item would be Enfield, Garand, FN FAL (my baby), Springfield or Kar98. I think M-14 would fall in that category as well.

The Germans came up with what we now call "Assault Rifles" which shoot a smaller round they called a "kurz" or short round and include a full auto option. Everybody sort of picked up on that post war with AR, AK and so on. Nowadays they are sometimes called "carbines" like the M-4.

We carried FN FAL or AK in the Rhodesian War except for my boss who was a VN vet and liked the AR. I never did warm up to it but I certainly got to clean it. Some of our Intaf native troops still had the Enfield. Nice weapons but since the FN was much better...well you know.

Since you know weapons maybe you can answer a question I've had for a while, why don't the M-1 / M-2 Carbine series fall into assault rifle category? (round is bigger but seems limp).

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Talbot

I guess I missed the explanation of the "Brawndo generation".

Battle rifles, are banned in America except for military , police, and special permitting.

Personally a full auto would not be my first choice of weapons.

Brawndo is a reference to the movie Idiocracy where people in the future are facing extinction because they are too stupid to even grow food properly. Brawndo was a Gator-ade like drink. They figured if it gave people energy, it would be great for plants. They were saved by a "genius" from the past that had the great idea to use water for plants.


Example: The Lee Enfield rifle (SMLE) in .303 Brit is a main battle rifle first created in 1895. It is a fast bolt action that is a little less powerful than a modern .308 Win. During WW1, the Germans actually thought that they were facing machine gun fire due to the proficiency of the Brits with the short bolt throw on the SMLE rifle. This is a battle rifle and quite legal. You must be thinking of of the term "Assault rifle" which refers to more recent small caliber automatic weapons. The idea being that the individual soldier could carry more ammunition and even though it was seriously under-powered a wounded enemy would consume more personnel and resources to tend to them. While manufacture is restricted to military applications, existing fully automatic weapons in circulation are not (Federally) illegal in the US. They are subject to a tax stamp and background check. The cost of the tax stamp plus the cost of the weapon is usually sufficient to prevent most people from owning one. Since there was no constitutional way to ban a type of weapon that clearly has militia uses, the tax plus restrictions on manufacture is as much as they could do short of an ex post facto law situation.

Forgive me... One of my favorite movies is still... So old you would... Die laughing... I don't want to kill you. Some of my favorite songs are older than you. That's life. The old becomes new and the new becomes old. ( READ BETWEEN THE LINES).

As far as assault weapons, the laws being constructed are just using that term as a convenience .
You have stated some good Knowledge. I understand the uses of guns like that. I also understand the limitations... I also understand the capabilities of them.

The big question then becomes... If all these hard working , taxpaying people are fleeing California... Why are you staying?

Absolutely Glen. Have a nice 4th.

...Since you know weapons maybe you can answer a question I've had for a while, why don't the M-1 / M-2 Carbine series fall into assault rifle category? (round is bigger but seems limp)...

If your M-1/M-2 Carbine is fully automatic, it does fall into the assault rifle category. State laws use made up terms like assault weapon to deprive people of their rights to own a scary semi-auto as the 2A has not been incorporated against state and local government yet. My M-1 is semi-auto. Love it. It seems to have gotten a bad rap. Out to about 200m, it carries more energy than the 5.56. Loaded with LRN or HP bullets, terminal ballistics are 357 magnum like with a 130 grain LRN bullet close on 2000fps or a 100 grain HP/FP a bit above that. I actually loaded it with .223 in a sabot once for .223 lite performance.

The big question then becomes... If all these hard working , taxpaying people are fleeing California... Why are you staying?

oh, let me answer that one....

They have it so good there that they have lost touch with reality and the rest of the nation. Yes, California is my favorite State on the mainland and I envy those who can afford it.

Too expensive because of a self-inflicted political problems but so much wealth floating around.

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Great Idiocracy joke.... wasted....on Gleen.

The big question then becomes... If all these hard working , taxpaying people are fleeing California... Why are you staying?

oh, let me answer that one....

They have it so good there that they have lost touch with reality and the rest of the nation. Yes, California is my favorite State on the mainland and I envy those who can afford it.

Too expensive because of a self-inflicted political problems but so much wealth floating around.

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Actually, my job pays me well enough to fully pursue music on the side in an environment with world class musicians and opportunities. I don't think I'm all that and a bag of chips, you know, but you just never know who you might meet or be opening for here. Great place to be for music.

...Since you know weapons maybe you can answer a question I've had for a while, why don't the M-1 / M-2 Carbine series fall into assault rifle category? (round is bigger but seems limp)...

If your M-1/M-2 Carbine is fully automatic, it does fall into the assault rifle category. State laws use made up terms like assault weapon to deprive people of their rights to own a scary semi-auto as the 2A has not been incorporated against state and local government yet. My M-1 is semi-auto. Love it. It seems to have gotten a bad rap. Out to about 200m, it carries more energy than the 5.56. Loaded with LRN or HP bullets, terminal ballistics are 357 magnum like with a 130 grain LRN bullet close on 2000fps or a 100 grain HP/FP a bit above that. I actually loaded it with .223 in a sabot once for .223 lite performance.

Now to really put this assault weapons BULLSHIT to rest...
My favorite handgun is the S&W 500. Extremely dangerous firearm.
Why? Because I can load cowboy rounds that fire at 700 fps... To rifle caliber rounds of 300 grains of ballistic bullets, that can be be fired with a 12 inch drop, at 2600 fps at 300 yards. Mind you the average bullet I use to reload a 30aught is only 150 grains.

My 44 is just a pea shooter compared. The only reason I have one is because my local personal range banned the 500.
Imagine 3 foot flames coming out of the barrel of handgun. That's the 500.

Assault weapons... What a bunch of bullshit classification. Personal responsibility, is something every American should be reminding all these assault politicians.

Glen you are the human embodiment of "The 500". My little sister is an assault weapon. I like hanging around dangerous people. Cool Post Mordgeld ... you are correct in what you say, I totally agree ... but it is also a bowl of jello. Smut when will you learn to speak only for yourself ??????

Try schmed.

Mord

Years ago some of us went to the desert and shot various weapons into the wood planking in front of some old mine shafts. (you could tell when you hit that stuff).

We had a Mini 14 - fastest round by far (556 - seemed to hit like a ton of bricks), a 357 mag pistol (next fastest with hot rounds), a 9mm (+P) and finally an M-1 carbine - the slowest for some reason. However, the guy who owned the M-1 had scant knowledge of ammo so that may have been the problem.

Personally, I've always liked the M-1/M-2 Carbine series and never cared much about full auto anyway since even when I carried FN or AK I never used that feature. (It's a nice to have). I just like light weight firearms. But I've heard tales from Korean war vets that they far preferred the old Garands when shooting commies wearing winter coats...

Glenn - I'm not much on the bigger handguns since one tends to lose the sight picture after each shot. Good for robbing liquor stores or chasing burglars (I've only done the latter! ) and they are fun on the range - I loved that Clint Eastwood .44. For serious work I like a weapon that holds a big magazine so I can make the bad guys duck and stop shooting at me!

Here's a handgun story:
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I was at a range in Los Angeles frequented by Lawman types, practicing for my yearly cert. I was still playing at sec agent in those days and having just come off duty I was wearing a tactical jumpsuit. Looking cool and feeling cool!

In walks the range master with six enthusiastic Japanese tourists in tow. It turns out he has a set of what he calls the "Guns of Hollywood" including of course the .44 Mag, the Frontier Colt and so on.

One of the tourists approached me somewhat diffidently and said, "You have killed many men?"

I replied quietly, "Not many..."

Talbot

...But I've heard tales from Korean war vets that they far preferred the old Garands when shooting commies wearing winter coats...

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/03/30-car ... z5KOxwpz3h

Take a look at the link. It might make you reconsider what you think about the round. It carries more energy than .357M. I've heard the tales about winter coats stopping the round. If you get a chance to test it, let me know how many winter coats you needed to stop an M1C round and whether you think anyone could wear that many coats.

Try this one. One of many.
https://youtu.be/UB62DMoNUvU

Now that is dangerous. Close in, if you don't stun them with the shock wave, you will burn them with the muzzle blast.

Mordgeld, In respect to Talbot... It takes no longer to regain site picture with a 500 than a rifle. The difference is it will go through the refrigerator, the bad guy is hiding behind and firing his nine millimeter pop gun.

Notice: All those old Garands were not designed for modern ammo.