General Music Chat

Cult Leader Charles Manson has released his album "One Mind" under a "creative commons" license. When Manson was not directing mass murders, he was an aspiring songwriter and singer. After a chance encounter with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys, Wilson paid for studio time for Manson to record some of his songs. Over the years, quite a few artists have covered Manson's songs on albums.




This "album" was clearly recorded in prison, haphazardly, but shows Manson still has a basically pleasing singing voice. It is him singing with an acoustic guitar, and plenty of prison noises in the background. LOL



CC is a special license that allows anyone to download, share and mix other people's music as long as they give proper credit. Recently, Nine Inch Nails released their album under a Creative Commons license, and it has been a great success!

Good old Charles Manson of the Tate and LaBianca murders has done the same thing. His recent album, "One Mind" is licensed in a way that allows anyone to share it with others, remix it and use it for non-commercial uses.


The exact legal details are here:

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/


You can download the full album here:

http://limewire.org/mblog/manson


How Manson Met Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys

(from wikipedia)

The events that would culminate in the murders were set in motion in late spring 1968, when, by some accounts, Dennis Wilson, of The Beach Boys, picked up two hitchhiking Manson girls and brought them to his Pacific Palisades house for a few hours. Returning home in the early hours of the following morning from a night recording session, Wilson was greeted in the driveway of his own residence by Manson, who emerged from the house. Uncomfortable, Wilson asked the stranger whether he intended to hurt him. Assuring him he had no such intent, Manson began kissing Wilson's feet.[17][18]

Inside the house, Wilson discovered twelve strangers, mostly girls.[17][18] Over the next few months, as their number doubled, the Family members who had made themselves part of Wilson's Sunset Boulevard household cost him approximately $100,000. This included a large medical bill for treatment of their gonorrhea and $21,000 for the accidental destruction of an uninsured car of his they borrowed.[19] Wilson would sing and talk with Manson, whose girls were servants to them both.[17]

Wilson paid for studio time to record songs written and performed by Manson, and he introduced Manson to acquaintances of his with roles in the entertainment business. These included Gregg Jakobson, Terry Melcher, and Rudi Altobelli, the last of whom owned a house he would soon rent to actress Sharon Tate and her husband, director Roman Polanski.[17] Jakobson, who was impressed by "the whole Charlie Manson package" of artist/lifestylist/philosopher, also paid to record Manson material.[

Manson's lived most of his life in prison now, and I think he likes it that way. The songs also provide some interesting exchanges, like this one:

At about 2:52 of the song "I Keep On Wondering" (Interrupted) - Manson gets interrupted by another inmate wanting to bum a cigarette from Manson.


Manson:

You don't know what the f*ck you're doing tramp!
What are you interrupting me for?

Inmate:

I want a cigarette!

Manson:

What do you want a cigarette... what the hell does that got to do with any mother f*cking thing? I'm in Pennsylvania man, right down the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Where the f*ck is your head at?

Inmate:

Hey...

Manson:

Yeah...

Inmate:

When you... when you come to my door, I don't ever go through all that, I say ok (???)

Manson:

But I'm doing something. Can't you see it took me four or five hours to get into what I'm doing?

Inmate:

Well head on then (???)

Manson:

You know... playin' music's not easy when you got everybody in the world on (down?) your ass!

Inmate:

That's true (???)

Manson:

You know? I love to play music. I want to get off my music man.

(long silence from Manson with prison sounds and voices in the background)

Manson:

I was interrupted... by Tennessee.

Recording ends.

Aw, now see? Everybody will want his stuff!

I'd never have told anyone about this, Craig...let 'im rot withOUT getting his music out

I'm with you on this one Philby.

Manson is a CRIMINALLY insane psychopath.

Manson is were he belongs.

Some may disagree. They might say something like,
"Peace ,Love and Forgiveness, he served his time, why not set him free, and give him therapy?"

.. Or,

"They should have snuffed that bastard back in 69!"


The fact hat some people have ENABLED him to continue to play his sorry game ,seemingly to exploit his value as a notorious SUPERSTAR , turns my stomach.

If I was his warden, I wouldn't let the news media within ten miles of the cacksukka, and I sure as hell would disallow any of his inane banter to leave the confines of the jail!

Musician my ass!

HowlinJ

I am with you on this, Uncle Howlin. I agree with what you said, the bastard should have no rights at all. He is an animal.

I've seen bands walk around with his image on thier t-shirts

WRONG!

Shoulda added a noose around his neck, imo

Hey,

Don't get me wrong. Manson is a prime example of why we need the death penalty. But this is out there in mainstream news. It's not a secret. His music has been out there already. Bands have covered it on their albums here and there. Which appalls me personally. I would never do it. But some would be curious about his artistic skills, so I posted it. It's also a chance for some to learn more about what a CC license is, as this is becoming more popular for musicians and bands to 1) get their music out there, and 2) collaborate without fear of copyright infringements.

Manson is a lunatic. He is mentally ill. He wants to be in prison. And I'm glad he is. He will never be released. He doesn't want to be released. He is a coward. He can manipulate people to kill, but he can't do the really tough stuff, namely, live in a normal world. I think he fears it. He is comfortable in prison. He'll die there. No doubt in my mind about it.

But I am OHHH SOOO glad, that you brought up the "image" on a "T-Shirt" which I don't think I have seen, but am NOT surprised it's out there, and that dumb ass kids would wear it, as being "cool"

I'm happy you brought that up, because of a MORE famous mass murderer (where T-Shirts and images are concerned) has been out there for even longer than Manson.

Namely...

Che Guevara


That image and t-shirt I have seen ALOT. On shirts, album covers and on FLAGS. Who has seen that? Everyone probably.

Guess where the last place I saw it was?

On a wall in Houston, in a... get ready....

Barack Obama campaign office!

The hated (but I like them) Fox News, covered that the manager of one of Barack's campaign offices, had the communist cuban flag, superimposed with an image of Che Guevera on it, had this exact flag. prominently displayed on the wall behind her desk at a Barack Oabama campign office in Houston.

When confronted on it, the campaign manager just said "I don't want to talk about the cuban flag, I want to talk about CHANGE! Barack is about CHANGE, and there are bigger issues than the Cuban flag! And that's what Barack is about, and that's what this campaign is about!"

Hmmm....


You can see the video here:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=l5lJrMvqahA


And here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DCja99KpjWU

Oh crap! Here we go!

Ok Irm...your serve...LOL

Irmy is still mellowed out from his trip to Zion.

Don't worry B.M. Forumacaters,

Our fearless leader and "Mother of All Posters" will sprig back to his good ol' self in time.

Symbolism, faces on T-shirts...like it's Halloween all year 'round, everybody's saying BOO! trick or treat, smell my feet, give me something good to eat. Manson, school shootings, 3rd graders plotting murder...they are products of their environments not unlike the cowards that avocate the "mass murder of war". we are what we eat so...next time we are in line waiting, moving up slowly going through the gate, groaning and moaning, consider how much BEEF we been eatin' LOL

hmm, manson... i doubt he's insane... way too smart for that.
still would a sane man kill? who knows?

I've read quite a few of his "meanderings" and the guy actually makes some sense from time to time... kind of scares me...
like justifying his murders with the fact that every day we exterminate another species... and that this is a war... right now in the streets.

don't get me wrong, I'm not joining up... and I think 100% of the sense he makes is basically self-serving manipulation... I'm just saying I think the guy is far from nuts.

ever hear of the manson zodiac connection? Interesting reading.

che... didn't the US assassinate him?

hmm, manson... i doubt he's insane... way too smart for that.

IQ does not inoculate someone from mental illness.

I've read quite a few of his "meanderings" and the guy actually makes some sense from time to time... kind of scares me...

Cult leaders have a method to their madness. That's what makes them so dangerous.

che... didn't the US assassinate him?

No. The Bolivian army executed him. The CIA assisted this process, by telling them where he was hiding out. A CIA operative was in attendance at the execution, and took a Rolex watch from his dead body afterwards as a souvenier, which he proudly wears to this day.

Funny Che would wear a Rolex, cause he blamed capitalism for all the world's problems.

Che is pretty hated by most Cuban Americans (Obama campaign staffers notwithstanding, LOL), but he is adored in Cuba itself, where school children begin each day, by pledging "We will be like Che!"

c'mon craig give the usa some credit... (I'm pretty sure you could call that executing him)

afa pledging to che... like manson, he did make quite a bit of sense on occasion:

"The amount of poverty and suffering required for the emergence of a Rockefeller, and the amount of depravity that the accumulation of a fortune of such magnitude entails, are left out of the picture, and it is not always possible to make the people in general see this. - Ernesto Che Guevara"




"IQ does not inoculate someone from mental illness. "

no, no it sure doesn't... but when I think insane... I think jeff dahmer...
manson had an intended purpose to his orchestration that went beyond sexual gratification(supposedly)...

so in the sense that jim jones was nuts, or david koresh... yes he probably meets that definition. all master manipulators at the least. But did he know what he was doing? I think so... and so did a jury.

Good points, Mr.Mike.

Yup, he was/is sane...self-serving, destructive, lacking remorse or conscience, yes...but sane enough to understand the dif between right & wrong.

That's all the law requires, isn't it? That one understand what's right or wrong by law, not necessarily that they agree with it.

It's just a shame that we've paid for his long existence without getting anything in return from him.

I think that ppl like him should be used in medical research, rather than monkeys & chimps...at least we could harvest some GOOD out of these low-lifes, since we all pay so much for thier mere existence.

Just a thought...