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#271918 by Planetguy
Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:19 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOJZs75CnUs

Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) --

The ad might read, "Percussionist wanted, preferably marimba player, for jazz-influenced band. Must be able to improvise, bob head and wear metal."

And the perfect candidate? It may be Shimon, a marimba-playing robot that, despite having four arms, is remarkably human. It has a shiny aluminum-steel head that bobs with the music and acknowledges other people when they're nearby.

Like any jazz impresario, Shimon can listen to music, analyze its structure and improvise with other musicians. But instead of lifelong musical training, Shimon relies on complex algorithms to identify tempo, beats, chord progressions and melodic dissonance and consonance.

"We interact with this [robot] very differently [than with humans]," said Ryan Nikolaidis, a PhD student at the Georgia Tech Center for Music Technology. Nikolaidis programs Shimon, whose name means "one who hears" or "one who is heard" in Hebrew.

"Having the presence, having a head that bobs. ... It looks at you when you're soloing and looks at itself or looks at the other players. It's really a different level of social interaction," he said.

John Coltrane. Thelonious Monk. Shimon can improvise like the best of them. The robot morphs the styles of these jazz masters to produce novel, surprising arrangements that both inspire and challenge Shimon's human bandmates.

"We're interested in improvising like a human but playing like a machine," said Nikolaidis, who also performs with the robot on his piano keyboard in a constant feedback loop of teach and learn.

"Being able to shift between different influences and create a rich vocabulary that's nothing like any human would ever play ... hopefully this then inspires us to play differently as well, play something that we wouldn't play with other humans," he said.

Gil Weinberg, director of the Georgia Tech Center for Music Technology, built Shimon two years ago with help from his colleague Guy Hoffman and Roberto Aimi of Alium Labs. The National Science Foundation helped fund the project.

Shimon isn't Weinberg's first foray in making robotic maestros. He and his students developed Haile, a robot drummer, in 2006. Like Shimon, Haile learns, performs and improvises alongside flesh-and-blood musicians.
Weinberg also helped pioneer the popular iPhone app ZOOZbeat, which helps anyone -- regardless of musical talent -- create songs by waving and shaking their phones.

In December, a group of musicians in Japan used the app to jam remotely with Shimon as it played at Georgia Tech. The performance was billed as the first intercontinental musical interaction between humans and robots.
#271920 by Planetguy
Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:37 pm
dude...i hope you find time to check out the video, pal!!!


i absolutely want my own interactive marimba playing "robot" that plays in the styles of Monk, trane, etc and has the ability to INTERACT w what I'M playing!!!!

that really is stoopid cool that number 1. we actually have the capability to build something that works that well

and 2. how cool it would be to have a tool like that which will allow you to play w an actively integrated partner. how great and inspiring a tool would that be. sheeeeet, my wife would NEVER see me!

(hey, maybe THAT'S HOW i can sell the idea of me having one!)
#271922 by Planetguy
Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VscnR6F20yc

the inventor speaks before an audience and lays it all out very well. avery concise and impressive presentation that no doubt everyone gets and is blown away with.

i love how he keeps making the distinction "we are NOT talking about 'robotic musicians' ...but robots that play music".

it's quite interesting until it goes completely off the trks in another direction around the 8:15 mark. that's probably as good a point as any to disembark when they introduce a couple of rappers and the mini and more affordable "home version"!

but it's never really clear how THAT robot is interacting and what it is actually contributing other than some goofy little dance steps.
#271924 by Planetguy
Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:54 pm
Sambop wrote:Any Vampier could tell you that is no more than mere masturbatory jazz noodling!![/quote

likely so, but if a vampier in the forest weighed in on masturbatory jazz noodling and no one was there to hear....did it really happen? or was it FAKE NEWS? (plug in wackadoodle youtube link: here)


Robots can play relevant music too! :lol:
https://youtu.be/h0DyYLLf3m8


yeah, relevant to some (too many?) certainly! :D

i esp liked the shredder's brim that displayed the ever rising and increasing BPM. good bit but maybe it went a little long.
#271925 by Planetguy
Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:55 pm
Sambop wrote:
Planetguy wrote:and 2. how cool it would be to have a tool like that which will allow you to play w an actively integrated partner. how great and inspiring a tool would that be. sheeeeet, my wife would NEVER see me!

(hey, maybe THAT'S HOW i can sell the idea of me having one!)

That could be a slippery slope ... :shock:
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#271927 by Badstrat
Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:02 pm
Funny. I have been watching the development of humanoid robots for the lase several evenings, along with some documentary's They've come further that I had expected. Check out some of the military bots. Here are a few that I found really interesting . The ones below should easily be able to have their own band in the future with the right programming.

Sophia Robot said she will destroy humans (An advanced facial / artificial intelligence robot. }
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZGoIIB3twA

Sexy robot slut dancing ( One of the first things some men think of when getting their hands on a robot? )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUVpHLw1uHQ

Dancing robot like Britney spears (It might be a while before they can join the Rockettes )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju7_VQ5_GUQ

Give a man a robot and what does he do with it? He dresses it like a slut and makes it dance dirty for him. Go figure.

Here is one of the best military videos. Can you believe his mom let him wander in the snow without his galoshes?

WORLDS MOST ADVANCED New Military Robot Technology Demonstration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRr_8L2xMnk
People are such bully's. They should just quit picking on them and let them do their jobs. :) There is also a video about the progress of ASIMO, but I find HPR-4 to be the most advanced. The dancing humanoids are HPR-4 spinoffs.
#271933 by GuitarMikeB
Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:44 pm
I would suspect the cost of these robots to be well into 6 figures. And that's just the cost to build/buy them. have to maintain them, too.
#271934 by Planetguy
Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:36 pm
Jookeyman wrote:
Planetguy wrote:dude...i hope you find time to check out the video, pal!!!

I see this as a two-edged sword.

On one hand, (speaking as a solo artist) this could be used as a inspirational tool but I see so many negative aspects here. The collaborations we do are also inspirational tools, much like the robot. But one thing is missing here and that's human connection on a spiritual level.


of course interacting w a robot is going to take much of interacting on a "spiritual level" out of the equation.

and of course this can ultimately be MISUSED...i mean, what CAN'T be????

i just see this an a very sophisticated metronome, or drum machine to jam with and as a tool to work on stuff that i work on.

the big difference is that it's not ME so much TELLING the drum machine or sequencer what to play....but rather having it REACT to what i'm playing and have it react in say the way Monk would.

that's a mind blowing opportunity to get a glimpse into how monk played and approached things!. Man... i could spend ENDLESS HOURS of good clean fun laying down some lines and/or chord progressions and having Shimon play some lines off of that....lines that Monk or Trane might have played if they ever jammed on one of my tunes or ideas.

That could be an amazing and inspiring learning and prct device.







Then there is the other human equation - work. First it was DJs, EDM and 'computer musicians'. Now what? Robot bands? Think about it. If a robot can be programmed to do what this does, one can certainly be built to lead and the others can follow!!


i don't know...i mean there IS the novely of watching so called robot bands play preprogrammed music but that wears thru pretty damn fast, no?

I mean i found the short demos of different people sitting at the keyboard playing something.... and then Shimon answering and interacting very entertaining and not lacking any musical content or merit...it quite held my fussy music interest watching/listening to it react in real time to different lines, rhythms, dynamics....etc.

IDK. Maybe I was born 100 years too late. I would rather get back to the nuts and bolts of music on a higher plain and watch the Jetsons to get my robot fix. :wink:


i hear that...but i don't see it as one or the other. no reasons you can't have a Shimon as a jam buddy AND continue working on those nuts and bolts of music! if anything....i see it as GREAT way to further acquire a better grasp of nuts and bolts stuff.

not to mention how helpful it can be from just a rhythmic slant! remember the old adage..."garbage in = garbage out".

consider if we were to play boo-shit and then we had Shimon playing back HIS answer to our boo-shit...damn, that'd be a pretty good kick in the pants to play something happening! talk about holding a mirror up to our own playing!!
#271938 by GuitarMikeB
Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:17 pm
Couldn't really tell with the mallet-wielding Bot how it might perform with a group. The 'robot groups' big problem was quantizing, everything was on the beat.
The Boston Dynamics bots were the most promising, definitely some future stuff there.

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