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#269089 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:31 pm
Vampier wrote:I ask simply where are The Hag's and The Black Messiah's heartfelt speeches condemning the protests, the riots, the flag and cop car burning and the beatings ????????????? Both of these creatures are wholly EVIL and have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. They deserve no tolerance, no concilatory considerations and no mercy. They are the ememies and must be condemned, arrested and brought to Justice. They can not be given any quarter and must be pursued relentlessly.



Then we are no different than them.

They have scared and manipulated the fears of millions. We play right into their hands if we respond in kind. If Trump wants to let the justice system roll, that would be fair.

It would be magnanimous (and win more Democrats over) if Trumps lets the process go forward...and then pardons Hillary once the truth is known.

How much you want to bet he lets her off? He has too much invested in her to do otherwise.



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#269092 by Vampier
Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:13 pm
Yod ... I understand your stance on this and accept that it is just as legitimate as mine. I am all for being merciful when there is regret, apology and possibly reformation. We are not dealing with "children" here. We are dealing with something akin to" Evil Scorpions" and there should be no mercy. Impressing the Democrats is not the issue at hand ... survival is.

No it is not Trump's place to pardon The Hag, The Black Messiah not anyone. No I do not think he will either if he remains True to himself, his purpose and his promise. Bringing someone to justice is not pardoning them. But we shall see will we not ? I know I may condemned for my viewpoints but that is nothing new. I repect you and your stance even if i do not agree with it. You are to me a Good Man.
#269116 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:20 pm
hillary bumped into DONALD after the debate, at that dinner... Who cares...
She did say PARDON ME. :)

I don't care about PRESIDENT TRUMP going after criminals that have held protection because they were in control of the law. In other words...

He is far more concerned with complex problems... Than settling insults from a minor problem.

He is going to be a great president because he is already putting everything into perspective...

There is no time for hate. TRUMP is already making the deal happen!
#269126 by Vampier
Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:10 am
Yes Glen, it seems that Trump is a MAN who thinks on his feet. He is "fit" to be President ... mush more so than the current faux one. i hope he is able to put together a team that will be able to do his bidding and make possible his agenda. the next 70 or so days are CRUCIAL.
#269127 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:27 am
Vampier wrote: No it is not Trump's place to pardon The Hag, The Black Messiah not anyone. No I do not think he will either if he remains True to himself, his purpose and his promise. Bringing someone to justice is not pardoning them. But we shall see will we not ? I know I may condemned for my viewpoints but that is nothing new.



I see no reason why you would be "condemned"? The alt right is not going to get any support in their thirst for revenge though. There is no way Trump actually puts Hillary in jail....he is going to drop that like it's hot now that the election is over.

Congress will investigate and prosecute. And then Trump will pardon her. You watch.


Again...all this is assuming we have a peaceful transfer of power. I'm not buying it yet.
#269162 by Vampier
Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:44 pm
Yod ... what you state is an absolute and very real possibility that can in no way be simply discounted. We shall see as you have said. I hope The Hag is brought to justice in a very public fashion ... even made an example of. It is not a revenge thing with me but it is a message to the Enemie who intend to destroy Humanity ... a message to Evil and the Creator at the same time. Regardless it is a daunting task and I have much respect for Trump and wish him success and a long life.
#269185 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:54 am
Gentlemen. I think we have elected a very big man, that is only concerned with helping America.
He has no reason to stick his legacy that far out to be destroyed. Ego? Maybe.
I believe he is not going to waste his time on something as petty as going after hillary, or anyone else. He simply going to say "your fired"
He works under the rules of THE END GAME!
He has far more important issues to deal with.
Security of America. Including heroin flooding the northeast, American citizens being killed on sacred American soil, economics that are destroying the safety of economic security, foreign governments that are threatening the very existence of America with nuclear war and nuclear proliferation, and the destruction of all moral values the have made America great.
That is just one little problem. How about unaffordable health care? Not as important, this problem started under the first bush allowing insurance laws to be radically changed!

hillary.... She will never hold any office again and I don't think PRESIDENT TRUMP will waste much time on something that is not important. It really is not part of his end game.

As far as obama attempting a coup... I still have all my guns! NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!
#269199 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:37 pm
I was with a couple at a restaurant in Cottonwood AZ yesterday. These simple folks could not discern that we were sitting among nothing but liberals, and many of them gay. That doesn't bother me so I assumed they understood our environment....but I was wrong.

They started raving about Trump, and celebrating the end of abortion, and talking about Hillary and Huma being lesbians, and other very offensive things to a room full of hurting scared gay liberals. Oy, our lives were literally in danger and they had no idea. Finally the table next to us couldn't stand it anymore and a woman started screaming at us...trembling in anger. Soon the people in the restaurant understood that this couple was not being ugly...they were just stupid. So instead of attacking us, they left and we cleared the entire room. Then I had an opportunity to explain why we shouldn't pile on. These folks are genuinely terrified. It will take time for them to understand that we aren't going after them.

Honestly, I'm giddy with the people that Trump has surrounded himself with, except for the alt-right. He has become 180 degrees opposite of what he was in the primaries. Now, I can see that it was the Steve Bannon contingent that I have problems with. The alt-right is as bad for America as anything Obama has ever done.

I don't want to replace bullies on the left with bullies on the right. So as long as Trump keeps going down the road of choosing men of integrity around him, I'm ecstatic about the future of America. I wonder how well some of these mild-mannered men are going to fare in Congress, where the progressives smile as they put a knife in your back.

If the alt-right rises in influence, I will become the biggest opposition to Trump you've ever seen. However, I have come to believe that Trump is a changing personality for the better. For most, success ruins them. But Trump has had success for so long that he understands it comes with great responsibility, and he is rising to this occasion from what I can see.

I caution putting too much faith in any politician, and I still set my expectations very low for Trump in his first year. This is Trump's first attempt at being a politician and he will make mistakes. How he responds to those mistakes is all that matters.


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#269202 by Vampier
Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:04 pm
Well stated Glen and Yod. Glen you are correct in that there are far more pressing issues but the Hag and Her minions will not "accept" their loss and I believe there is an occult undercurrent running through the Halls of government, Congress and the WhiteHouse. I hope I am totally wrong.

Yod your assessment should not serve to upset anyone of reasonable intellect regardless if Demobrat or Republishcan. One thing i think everyone may be able to agree on ... These are exciting Times.
#269211 by Paleopete
Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:16 pm
I caution putting too much faith in any politician, and I still set my expectations very low for Trump in his first year. This is Trump's first attempt at being a politician and he will make mistakes. How he responds to those mistakes is all that matters.


Ted, that might just be a very astute observation. I'm sure Trump will make mistakes, despite the fact that he is getting some very good people around him.

I forget who said it, but I think he will put Hillary on the back burner for a while until he deals with more pressing issues. The past couple of days indicates that anyway. RIght now he's concentrating on the most pressing job of all, getting a cabinet together. and he has to do that before he can do a thing about Hillary, he has to have an Attorney General who will actually do the job. I'm hoping for either Rudy Giuliani or Trey Gowdy.

A lot of people are saying Gowdy is a lost cause because he got little done in all the investigations, but a couple of things should be realized. One, he is an investigator right now, not a prosecutor. Two, he's been stonewalled nonstop by this administration. Rudy is getting a bit long in the tooth, as much as I think he would be great, Gowdy is a lot younger, and has an outstanding record as a former prosecutor, never lost a case.

Anyway back to my original train of thought, the more important issues...Obamacare, border security, taxes, jobs, Obama's long list of the most executive orders ever, failed diplomatic relations with numerous other countries...he has a lot on his plate. I don't think he will forget about Hillary and the Clinton Foundation, but it will have to be on the back burner for a bit. When he told her in the debate he would ask his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor, he wasn't kidding. I'm sure it will happen, but we'll have to wait while other more pressing matters have his attention.
#269213 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:26 pm
Vampier wrote:Well stated Glen and Yod. Glen you are correct in that there are far more pressing issues but the Hag and Her minions will not "accept" their loss and I believe there is an occult undercurrent running through the Halls of government, Congress and the WhiteHouse. I hope I am totally wrong.

Yod your assessment should not serve to upset anyone of reasonable intellect regardless if Demobrat or Republishcan. One thing i think everyone may be able to agree on ... These are exciting Times.


There is no longer reason to even threaten these people. This chapter of American disgrace, IS DONE!
IT IS TIME TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
#269223 by Planetguy
Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:54 pm
Paleopete wrote: I'm sure Trump will make mistakes, despite the fact that he is getting some very good people around him.


really???... he's gonna "drain the swamp" w Guilliani, Christie, Gingrich, Palin, and Jan Brewer?????

and that's your idea of "some very good people"?
#269224 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:06 pm
Planetguy wrote:
Paleopete wrote: I'm sure Trump will make mistakes, despite the fact that he is getting some very good people around him.


really???... he's gonna "drain the swamp" w Guilliani, Christie, Gingrich, Palin, and Jan Brewer?????

and that's your idea of "some very good people"?




Sometimes honesty and integrity will "trump" ability and cleverness....but I do think some of these folks are in over their head.

But since they are decent people, I'm going to root for them to do well.


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#269226 by Planetguy
Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:12 pm
well, i'll never view Guilliani, Brewer, Christie, and Palin as "good people" but should they find positions in trump's cabinet....i'll be rooting for them and trump to do well too. i just have very low expectations of that ever happening.
#269232 by Paleopete
Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:31 pm
really???... he's gonna "drain the swamp" w Guilliani, Christie, Gingrich, Palin, and Jan Brewer?????

and that's your idea of "some very good people"?


Christie is out. Giuliani was New York's favorite mayor, reduced the murder rate by a huge margin, I think 2500 a year down to 200 a year but can't remember the exact numbers, but I do know his policies reduced crime in general and murder in particular a hell of a lot, and was a prosecutor as well and a damn good one. Gingrich is the only reason Bill Clinton had that balanced budget he bragged about, Newt got the right people together, told them to drop the petty political squabbles and do their job, good old slick willie took the credit. Truth is he would have been perfectly happy to let them sit there and do nothing then blame it on republicans, as usual. So far I haven't heard anything definite about Palin, who I can't stand. But if he does put her in, I hope she'll do a good job. I still can't stand her.

And who has Obama put in the white house? Eric Holder who implemented Fast and Furious, lied about it and got Obama to use executive privilege to keep him from being investigated and prosecuted, helped Obama get Operation Choke Point started, in which they pressure banks to shut down accounts of businesses they don't like, worst AG in history until Loretta Lynch turned up...Lynch has refused to prosecute Hillary, admitted the DOJ had discussed the possibility of prosecuting people who make statements against "climate change", a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment...Obama allowed and probably instigated the IRS persecuting conservative political groups, illegally, his IRS stonewalled investigators and refused to turn over requested documents for ages, his puppet Lois Lerner took the 5th on nearly every question except her name then claimed her hard drive crashed when she was handed a subpoena, John Kerry who has actually managed to be just as bad as SOS as Hillary was...Harry Reid who has kept Congress in a gridlock for a long time, Nancy Pelosi who actually told Congress they had to pass a law before they could find out what it said...talk about stupid...no wonder not one republican voted for Obamacare...which is a major disaster, huge tax hike and is killing jobs.

I haven't seen you even admit any of this much less come out against all the lies and corruption we've seen the past 8 years. Of course I don't know why I bother to respond at all, you're not going to ever admit the truth, you're not going to admit the idiot in the white house is a lying, corrupt bonehead who has no idea what he's doing, you're not going to admit the majority of his puppets in our government are incompetent fools...you're just going to sit there and insult Republicans. Same as usual. if you don't have something sensible to say, shut the hell up.

i'll be rooting for them and trump to do well too. i just have very low expectations of that ever happening.


He's already done a lot, and he's just getting started. He'll do a lot better than you'll ever admit. While you're putting other people down, show me your billion dollar business. Show me the thousands of jobs you've created. Show me your $100 million private jet. Show me your 10 year TV show. Show me the friends and employees who have stayed with you for 20 years, will do anything for the boss, and wouldn't take another job for anything. Trump has a long standing reputation for doing exactly what he says, which is why he scares the crap out of the corrupt career politicians, they know he's about to derail their gravy train.

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