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#2651 by chachaangelina
Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:44 am
So, does that mean that everybody on this Michael Jackson forum is a Michael Jackson fan? Maybe we should call him and tell him we've started a chapter of the MJ Fan Club at BandMix.Com . . . .
Do you think he would come dance for us--naked????????????????????

I was recently at a party that consisted of intelligent, non-drinking people (Yep! There really are at least ten of us on the planet!) We were playing a word game in which one person selects an unknown word out of the dictionary. Then each of us writes on a little piece of paper a "definition" of the "word." One of the little papers has the correct definition on it. Whoever comes up with the funniest/craziest definition of the "word" "wins." The "word" was "jacquonet" (I think that's how it's spelled and I forget the "real" definition.) But I won the "fake" definition award. My definition: "The hair net that Michael Jackson wears in his secret bedroom chambers." YUK! YUK! YUK!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

#2663 by Irminsul
Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:08 pm
The clear winner.

On a related note, are you a fan of Lewis Black, the comedian? He does a great schtick where he says in current culture, "Michael Jackson" is the absolute failsafe punchline to any joke.

"Guy goes into a bar........Michael Jackson" *audience laughter*

"There were Three Irishmen, a Catholic and a Jew......Michael Jackson" *audience laughter*

ad nauseum.

#2676 by chachaangelina
Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:59 pm
Hey! That's true! I never thought of that! But just reading those two jokes made me laugh.

Reminds me of a commedianne who was explaining the differences between living in the south and the north. She said, "Well, here I am in the south, the home of Southern Hospitality! But you Southerners can be just as rude as we northerners except you make any insult sound sooooooo nice because you end it with 'Bless Your Heart.'" Then she provided examples, "Oh, mhay! You look so fat in that dress! BLESS YOUR HEART!" "Well, aren't you the unpopular one!--BLESS YOUR HEART!!!"

Thanks to people like Michael Jackson and John Mark Karr, I have to pay $110 for a job I am starting, in-home tutoring service that is federally funded by Title I. Never before, in all the years I have tutored, have I had to get fingerprinted for the FBI to make sure I'm not selling crack coccaine to grade school children, etc.!!

#2680 by Irminsul
Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:24 am
Holy sh*t. I never thought it would get that nutty.

#2681 by chachaangelina
Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:54 am
Well, here's more on my personal dilemmas. You ready to be my therapist?

I just got a letter in the mail from Ohio DMV saying that my Ohio DL is suspended for driving without insurance (yeah, I know, but I did it for years) The trouble is: I don't even WANT my Ohio license, and as far as I know, it was cancelled when I got my Florida DL renewed three years ago (law says you can only have a license in one state at a time). So, Ohio, in other words, just suspended a license that doesn't exist. I'm just biting my nails wondering if my FL DL is also going to be jeopardized. You wouldn't happen to be a musician with a law degree?

#2682 by chachaangelina
Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:56 am
WWMJD??????

#2687 by Irminsul
Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:24 am
If your covered by insurance now I can't imagine why your old Ohio DL situation would matter in the slightest. I'm not a lawyer, but that just doesn't make any sense. You could always call your local DMV and ask them, but be prepared to hang on the phone forever.

Michael Jackson would probably sue the state of Ohio for falsely indicting him on charges of driving with an underage chimpanzee in the front seat.

#2689 by chachaangelina
Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:53 am
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
I LIKE YOU!
YOU'RE CUTE!
TOO BAD YOU'RE MARRIED!
(P.S.--Michael Jackson thinks you're cute, too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(No! I didn't have insurance! The mess I'm in is self-created, indeed.
Maybe I could write MJ and he'll give me some $$$$ and bail me out.
But what would be his motive for helping a chachaqueen?)

Are you going to watch Jerry Springer on "Dancing With the Stars?"
That should be a RIOT!!!
Who's sexier--Michael Jackson or Jerry Springer?

#2690 by Irminsul
Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:04 am
Oh, Jerry Springer, for sure. He's got that "college lit teacher who's bopping the blond in the front row of his class" look. What's Jackson got? I mean, besides a wardrobe of new Qataran womens' wear?

Did you notice that days after he got to his new home in the conservative Arab muslim country of Qatar, he donns the black robes - which is what the women wear? (the men wear white).

Something tells me he's not going to dig the rules and culture of a place like that, for too long. Especially if he starts inviting alot of neighborhood children over to his tent...but that's another story.

#2691 by chachaangelina
Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:43 pm
Well, last night--Did you see Jimmy Kimmel!? I was dying laughing!
He decided to feature a summer camp for kids who want to be commediane talk show hosts, like him. So, there he was in a room, with a bunch of third graders and he said, "The first thing you need to learn is how to write a joke. Think of a topic that's funny. Does anyone have any suggestions for a funny topic?" Well, one kid shoots up his hand, "Michael Jackson!" The kids start laughing. Then, they all wrote MJ jokes. And the next part of "camp" was delivering their MJ jokes on stage. I was thinking of you! I laughed so hard! So, you were right about the MJ joke always gets a laugh!--even with kids.
Cha! Cha! Cha!
P.S.--Tell me more about your life as a musician.

#2704 by Irminsul
Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:14 pm
Life as a musician. Oy, such a murky topic!

I've been one all of my life, and got in trouble constantly in school for scribbling down my own music in class; I had the staff notebook hidden under my desk until a 5th grade teacher busted me with it. That led to sessions with the prinicipal, my parents and later on even a PSYCHOLOGIST (muuuhahahahahahaha!!! They're coming to take me AWAY....) while they tried to figure out why I didn't actually want to listen to the teacher drone on for hours.

I've been playing professionally since I was 14, in quite a few different ensemble situations from rock bands to Celtic ensemble sessions. The first thing I learned is that you have to be able to 1: Eat lots of top ramen if necessary and 2. Diversify. So I off and on teach, do studio sessions on a per hire basis, and play weddings, cultural fests and that sort of thing. Ya have to wear lots of hats for this shtick! But I wouldn't do anything else so, I guess I can't complain.

It's been so valuable for my own development too. When I was a kid my heart was on my sleeve. The slightest criticism of my work or playing would put me into a tearful depression. But my skin has gotten thicker over the years and now I have learned to play criticism to my advantage.
Some of it is positive and thats a good thing to have. The negative stuff, I have learned, usually comes from people who are emotionally wounded or artistically blocked in their own right, so they are lashing out. Kind of a pity. In the end I just keep writing my own stuff and smiling as if no one's watching.

What about you? Hows this life treating you as a musician?

#2710 by chachaangelina
Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:08 am
Well, thank you for the offer to be my therapist! I'll take you up on it, but just a brief version in this public format. Who knows? My "ex" could be reading this site.

I was happily married for 10 years to a man who was 23 years younger than me, although nobody ever guesed out age difference--truly, and I am not exaggerating. We had a charmed life together. We went on two big tours with a Vaudeville musical show we developed. It was a riot.
Then, somewhere in the seventh year of our marriage, something very weird and wonderful happened that had NEVER happened to me before.
I would wake up in the middle of the night and ENTIRE SONGS and their lyrics would be playing in my head! All I had to do is pick up a pen, turn on the light, and write it all down. It was crazy! This went on, night after night, for about a year! About 100 songs poured out of me during this time period.

My husband very much believed in me and he was a very multi-talented guy. So, he bought recording software and we started recording the original songs. Thirty-two of the songs were about an amusement park I had grown up in, Idora Park, Youngstown, Ohio. Songs were "given" to me about every aspect of the park--the vinegar-flavored greasy French fries, the carosel, ballroom dancing, sock hop dancing, the Wild Cat roller coaster ride, etc., etc.

Well, my ex was a mailman. When he would come home from work, we would start working on this Idora Park project. It took us 2 1/2 years, approximately, to put together two CDs, but in the end, we had something we really believed in. I also wrote comedy vignettes to go inbetween the song and dance numbers that would lead the listener in transitions from one location to the next in the park. I considered this undertaking a masterpiece. My husband worked so very, very hard as the sound engineer and musician putting all of this together. We also spent literally thousands of dollars hiring outsiders to sing and speak. He even created midway ambience, so that when the listener hears the CD, the effect is that of walking down the midway, hearing the sound of the roller coaster plummeting, the carosel, etc.

Well, after all that hard work, I knew we had a hit show. Youngstown, Ohio, my hometown, lost its dearly beloved Idora amusement park in 1984. It was kinda like a "9/11" day for my hometown. There are still websites dedicated to Idora Park and people in Youngstown still wish it would come back. Well, here was Idora Park ready to come back through theatrical illusion!

I called the Youngstown Playhouse in Youngstown, Ohio and spoke with the managing director, BV, who sounded very excited about obtaining the CDs and script.

I'll now skip 600 pages of the story. To make a long story short, The Youngstown Playhouse took my script and songs and used it to create a derivative show, erasing my name off the script and parading it in my hometown as an original Idora musical written by BV.

I cannot tell you how DEVASTATED I WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Instead of suing, I next did something quite unusual.
Armed with literally thousands of copies of my CDs and script, I decided to go back to Youngstown, Ohio and stage my play myself.
Again, to abbreviate, it took a year of my life. I started off with nobody and nothing. But by accosting complete strangers on the streets of Youngstown and surrounding areas, I held weekly meetings, got people enthused, and within three months 186 voluteers had come on board to help me stage "Remember Idora!" Even the Judy Conti dance studio came on board, proving me with 50 beautiful dancers and two choreographers! I then found a recent graduate of the Dana School of Music at Youngstown State University to score all of my songs for a 12 piece orchestra. I found companies to make all the backdrops and seamstresses to sew all the costumes, includings cups of tap dancing French fries and bumping cars for the girls to dance in for the auto scooter number.

Meanwhile, a group from the Playhouse, as my project picked up momentum, did everything possible to drive me out of town and send me back to Florida. They spray painted my SUV twice, put false cast members in my show who tried to sabotage and withdraw from the cast at last moment. They spread rumors that I had run out of $$$$$ and gone back to Florida. THIS WAS STRESSFUL, TO SAY THE LEAST!

Three months before opening night, Jud, my husband, came up to Youngstown, taking a three month leave of absence from the post office to almost single-handedly rebuild parts of Idora Park for the stage at Powers Auditorium.

Then there was Anita, a "god-send" who became my "best friend." I had met her at the health spa where we exercised every day. She said, "I'll help in any way I can! I so admire what you are doing!" She started going to the warehouse and helping Jud build all the props.

Finally, Memorial weekend, 2003, "Remember Idora" opened and approximately 6,000 people in my hometown saw my original musical on the big stage! It was quite an overwhelming experience for me! I was down in the orchestra pit with the 12 guys; I had them all decked out in silver sequin tuxedo tail jackets. And when the curtains opened, there was Idora Park! Some people literally fell off their seats! People got out their handkerchiefs and were crying! Idora Park was back--our beloved amusement park!!!

Meanwhile, the Playhouse had staged their pirated, derivative version of my show, which they called "Idora Forever." It was a flop. But after BV saw how much $$$ we had brought in for "Remember Idora," he decided to RESTAGE HIS COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT VERSION OF MY SHOW -- THIS TIME USING THE GRAPHICS JUD HAD CREATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Okay, that's when I hit the roof! This time, I hired an attorney from Akron who sued the PLayhouse. We won $16,000.00 in an out of court settle, which I had to split 50/50 with my attorney. But at least I got some vindication.

THEN I discovered that my husband and my "best girlfriend" had been sleeping with each other for nine months! I flew back to Florida to confront them at La Quinta hotel January 3, 2004 (I was still in Youngstown and Jud had flown her down to Gainesville). Well, let me tell you: it was a BAD CRAZY DAY when the two of them thought I was in Ohio and here I was confronting them at their Florida hotel room.

That was the end of my enchanted 10 years with King Ira. This was like the breakup of Sonny and Cher on the polka level. We had been on national TV several times, including the Howard Stern show. And after producing a Broadway-style musical, we were well on our way. Now suddenly, it was all over.

On February 7, 2004, shortly after finding out about Jud and Anita, I was travelling back to Florida in my SUV with a 5 X 10 U-haul behind my car in tow. Suddenly, I entered an accident scene. My brakes did not engage (black ice) and I hit car #6, that had just hit car #5, etc., etc. No one was charged except for car #1. I broke my right leg in eight places and was helicoptered back to Columbus where six hours of emergency surgery was performed on my right leg.

I asked the doctor before the surgery, "Will I be able to roller skate again?" He looked at me agahst, "Ma'am, you have been seriously injured! You may never walk again!"

Today, I can dance the polka again, and yes, roller skate and bike ride, and the limp in completely gone, and I just bought a pair of spike high heels, my favorites, and a pair of wedgies!

Anita broke up with Jud during this time period. About two weeks later, he accidentally impregnanted some boring librarian who lives in BFE and there is no more show biz for Jud. Now he just delivers the mail and goes home to his little life.

At the moment my leg broke, I made a resolve to stay in show biz. At first, I was going to quit because I thought I would never recover from the loss of Jud. I thought, while I was waiting for the helicopter to take me back to Columbus, "Break a leg! This is a good luck omen!" So, that's when I decided to start my own television production company and produce a children's literacy TV show and then have a touring band, The Learning Castle, after the show goes national, which, I am certain, it will do.

The biggest challenge has been finding a stable, reliable affordable video editor. As soon as 30 episodes are complete, I will submit them to PBS.
I have always succeeded in show biz and the music business. And my songs are superb, I must say.

And I just broke up with the alcoholic boyfriend after hearing for the past two years, "But I love you and I can change." After him, I think I've had enough of the relationship thing, and since I have no lesbian tendencies, I'll just have to be Mother Theresa with a Vibrator from now on!

Well, thanks for being my therapist and say hello to MJ for me.
Cha! Cha! Cha!

#2714 by Irminsul
Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:57 am
I can't imagine what I could possibly offer at this point that would be as impactive as your story. My Gods what a wild ride! One thing for sure - when things are going great, enjoy the hell out of it because it AINT going to last forever. Ups and downs, it's the mandate of life.

About the theiving of your show ideas - I wish I could say I was shocked, but I'm not in the least. It happens all the time, in varying degrees and to all sorts of creators. Although I didnt end up in court the way you did, I have had two pieces of mine stolen by large organizations who thought I had zero recourse against them as a wee little musician by himself. The first instance was when I was listening to a local radio station that was running an ad for a national contest, and right there - blasting out in full FM glory - was one of my songs; "Breeding To Death" from an album called "Fervid Torpor". So I called my writing partner and asked him if by chance he had approved this without telling me. He was as shocked as I was. So I called the production company, based in Texas, and told them that as authors of the song we gave them no such permission to use our material. They were sort of stuck for an answer, saying they got it from a "collection CD for radio promoters" which was bullshit because we never got approached by any such entity. Anyway in the end they asked how much we were interested in to keep this out of court and we gave them a number (I dont kiss and tell! :)) which satisfied us and that one was over.

The next incident was when my writing partner, Craig, was at a huge hockey game with his SO and they play those musical snippets they do when someone gets a penalty....and lo and behold, it was "White Fire" frmo the same album of ours that was pilfered the LAST time! So he calls me and we figure out who to go after, which we do. This time there was no cash payout, just an agreement not to use our material again without a pay out on contract. They never used it again (hell why would they, they'd have to pay for it).

I learned a lesson here...Protect your own ass. So I joined ASCAP, which is a very powerful national organization for musicians, writers and producers that literally monitor thuosands of radio stations, TV stations and other media outlets to make sure their members are being fairly compensated for their work. It's one of the best moves I ever made because shortly thereafter I got approached to do an electronic version of Beethoven's 9th "Ode To Joy" for a major public event (around the time of the Feb. 2002 Olympic Games here in Salt Lake city) and they were ready to offer us a pittance for the work, but as soon as I dropped that we are ASCAP members well, man that changed the whole situation. Suddenly what they were offering was in four digits and had precs too.

It sure is a privilege to know such a strong survivor as you. There is just no stopping you, that's clear to see.

#2716 by chachaangelina
Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:25 am
Aw! You wrote so much to me! I thought maybe you'd be scared after hearing all that!

With your own story, I'm just wondering if it isn't a good thing that they were using your music. After all, it's "exposure" and they could have credited you? There is a national homeowners' watchdog association that occasionally plays two songs I wrote as the opening tune on their Sunday radio show. They did ask my permission but pay nothing. But at least it's out there.


Yes, Jud filled out all the ASCAP paperwork when we were together, so I guess I'm still a member. And most of my songs he registered with the copyright office. But I called ASCAP regarding the "Idora Forever" show because, in their pirated version, they had also changed the words to the PA polka, using that tune with new words that were ideas from my songs; they also did the same thing with Mr. Sandman and some tango (I forget the name of it but the tune is playing in my head right now). (something Hideaway) Anyway, I verified from the publishers of those songs that no royalities were being paid by the Playhouse. The people who own Mr. Sandman did contact them and that song was removed from their little crappy ass show (At least if you're going to steal from someone, make it better, not worse!--They definitely DIDN'T!) The other two songs stayed in their lame show and ASCAP didn't seem to care about the whole thing when I called them about those other two songs. They didn't do a thing!

Well, it's time for a long morning bike ride. It's so fun to get up with the sun and feel the wind on my face. At 12 noon the new video editor will be here. I hope this one sticks with the project. But, if not, I'll keep going until I hire the right person!!!!

So, where are you headed, at this point, with all of your music?
Where can I purchase a copy of your CD(s)?
Cha! Cha! Cha!

#2717 by chachaangelina
Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:20 pm
OH, my! I just listened to your music! I didn't realize I had that option!
Wow! Are you European? It reminds me of some of the club music I heard in Europe! And the way you write in this thread--you seem much more intelligent than the average American musician. (or the average American, for that matter) Or, are you just exceptional? I wish you were here to write background music for episodes of The Learning Castle.

I couldn't recognize the sound of a harp in that musical piece. Did I miss it? Are all of your songs instrumental, or do you write lyrics, too?

I am very impressed!
Angelina

P.S.--And since I wrote two posts in a row, you now get to be gray and I get to be black! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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