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#267935 by DainNobody
Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:58 am
you guys are endlessly trying to make me believe I am erring in guitar tuning, all the way to erring in what words mean? will they ever cease in their black mentalist antics? :D

jeal·ous
ˈjeləs/Submit
adjective
feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages.
"he grew jealous of her success"
synonyms: envious, covetous, desirous; More
#267936 by DainNobody
Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:00 am
they will surely deny they are ALL black mentalists , so I will give the definition and let you the listener decide..


What Is a Black Mentalist?

A woman asked what a Black Mentalist is. Richard replied that all of us tend to employ mentalism in one way or other in our first gropings to control our environment. We may desire those around us to be different in some way—to pay more attention to us or perhaps to leave us alone entirely—and our wishes may impinge upon them through the effects of our mental precipitation. Those who have achieved greater advancement realize that they cannot afford to modify others by mental means. A Black Mentalist is one who uses his mental powers to consciously exercise control over others, The term “Black” Mentalist is used because of the hatred of these beings for Mankind, which lowers their vibrational level making their auras appear extremely dark and murky. Much can he done by mental power to control our own environment without controlling other people. Any attempt to control others is self-defeating, for it inevitably incurs karmic indebtedness. (10-1970)
#267944 by Vampier
Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:36 am
You are both correct. There are other meanings as well. Dayne UNLIKE myself and some others on here ... you do not Post generally the same type of Posts or Threads. I find yours infinitely more interesting. Please do not cease or alter what you do.
#267957 by DainNobody
Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:06 pm
tin ear syndrome among all atheists is a terrible thing to waste..without God in their lives, it somehow alters their senses and makes them dull and devoid of sensitivity to the billions of microtones, but then again envy could be rising it's ugly head again? 9 people use this forum, LMAO, and most are atheists? what does that tell you ? :) :lol:
#267959 by Planetguy
Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:12 pm
"tin ear"...you mean the inability to tune a gtr? or believe an instrument is in tune when it's not?

i'm jealous of no one w that kind of 'ear'.... and if i believed in god i'd thank him/her/it for giving me an ear that recognizes when something is grievously out of tune. :wink:

whatever shortcomings my playing and writing might have.....at least i'm not subjecting anyone to out of tune instruments. :oops:
#267965 by DainNobody
Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:07 pm
you are entitled to your opinion, but what I find absurd is the inability to listen to a piece of music that is in your opinion outta tune? I guess you never listened to Heartbreaker by Led Zeppelin cause it was out of tune also.. the absurdity of some of the 9 people on this forum.. :lol:
#267968 by Planetguy
Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:12 pm
Dayne Nobody IV wrote:you are entitled to your opinion, but what I find absurd is the inability to listen to a piece of music that is in your opinion outta tune? I guess you never listened to Heartbreaker by Led Zeppelin cause it was out of tune also.. the absurdity of some of the 9 people on this forum.. :lol:



"inability"????

i'm perfectly "able" to listen to a piece of music w an out of tune gtr...i just see no reason to do so.

instead, like most people who CAN hear when instruments are out of tune....i prefer to listen to instruments that ARE in tune. yeah, i'm real WACKY that way. :roll:

be honest and stop blowing smoke w those silly "microtonal" BS excuses, and stop blaming it on an out of tune tuning fork... ...it wasn't only MY opinion that your gtr is often out of tune.....was it?

you heard that very same thing from Jimmy, Mike, Jook, Vinny, and DP as well.
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#267969 by DainNobody
Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:15 pm
ok Planetguy have you ever listened to Led Zeppelin's Heartbreaker?.. many musicologists swear that Page is playing out of tune, do you agree with them? I think it sounds great whether it is or it is not out of tune.. give it a listen sir.. :)
#267970 by DainNobody
Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:22 pm
https://reverb.com/news/its-all-relativ ... recordings

Have you noticed that some of the greatest performances ever recorded are out of tune? To be fair, I don’t mean the instruments are out of tune with each other, though there are a few great records like that as well. What I’m talking about are recordings of instruments that aren’t tuned to concert pitch: A 440Hz, nor tuned down a half step, like those from Jimi Hendrix, U2 and many other great artists.

There are many frequencies that fall between A 440Hz and the half step down, which technically speaking is G#/Ab 415.30Hz. As you can deduce, there are 25 other tunings one can play between A and Ab, that is, 439Hz, 438, 437, etc. And believe me, this makes a difference! Your ear is such a marvel of engineering that it actually can hear the difference between 440Hz and 439Hz.

Two instruments playing out of tune by a few hertz is noticeable, but not typically objectionable. But as the discrepancy grows, you’re officially out of tune. But what if all the instruments playing are tuned to the same “mystery note,” say 428Hz?

If you consider the millions of songs that have been recorded, and you understand that 99% percent of them are played at the same concert pitch, then something as simple as playing out of tune can actually give a record a unique sound. And here’s proof:

Five Classic Out-of-Tune Recordings

1. The Complete Recordings, Robert Johnson
You can take your pick from this essential album. There are so many songs in so many odd tunings (altered and not-to-pitch) that this record could keep you busy for years just trying to find the keys. While it would be easy to assume Johnson is out of tune because the guitar tuner hadn’t been invented yet, the songs also may be out of tune because some tracks were altered slightly, sped up or slowed down, during the conversion of the original 78s to LPs to CDs.


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2. “Strawberry Fields Forever,” The Beatles
Not only is this song out of tune, it was recorded out of tune in two different keys at two different tempos. John Lennon liked the first part of one (key of A) and the second part of the other (key of C). George Martin sped up part one and slowed down part two. They don’t actually match up, but it’s close enough for Rock ‘n’ Roll. The edit can be heard on the final version at the 1:00 minute mark, prior to the words “going to” in the second chorus.


3. “Heartbreaker,” Led Zeppelin
I know what you’re thinking. This song isn’t out of tune; that glorious open A string in the opening riff is spot on A 440! And I would agree with you. But fast-forward to 2:02-2:48 and hear that not only is the guitar tone different, it’s slightly sharp! When discussing the song in “Light and Shade: Conversations with Jimmy Page,” Page said, “That whole section was recorded in a different studio and was sort of slotted in the middle.” Interviewer Brad Tolinski responded: “I’ve actually noticed that the tuning of the guitar was slightly higher.” To which Page replied, “The pitch is off as well? I didn’t know that!” [laughs]


4. Highway to Hell, AC/DC
Highway to Hell has ten songs on it, played in four different keys, and only two of those songs have the instruments tuned to concert pitch. Three of the others are tuned down a half step and the remaining five are all slightly out of tune. This means half of Highway to Hell is played in keys that don’t exist! How cool is that? It also means instead of having four songs in the key of A – in transcription books “Highway to Hell,” “Shot Down In Flames,” “If You Want Blood (You Got I),” and “Night Prowler” are all notated in the key of A – we actually hear A, Ab, and two songs slightly flat of A. This subtle, but notable, variation in pitch gives each song a distinctive character.


5. “867-5309 / Jenny,” Tommy Tutone
Besides being a masterpiece of pop songwriting, from the clever lyrics to the instantly recognizable guitar hook, this one-hit wonder also has the distinction of falling somewhere between the keys F#m and Gm. Inexplicably there is a “re-recorded” version (details on the history of this recording are hazy) that also is sharp! Tune your guitar slightly sharp, play out of F#m, and let that high E-string ring open throughout the hook.
#267972 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:22 pm
GuitarMikeB wrote:It was a pro-Trump rally. A handful of people showed up. Those are both facts


Only in your imagination.

In exact manner, I just threw a rally for Hillary. No one showed up but I almost puked.



yod wrote:
GuitarMikeB wrote:A poll shows that 45% of Republican-registered voters will not accept the election results if Trump doesn't win. Are you part of the 45%? If so, what are you plans? Revolution? Emigration?


Please....stop the hypocrisy. You guys act like voter fraud only matters when a Democrat loses.

Just for starters...here are EIGHT TIMES where liberals whined about rigged elections (not including Bernie) and did not support the results.





So there's been voting fraud before. Did the dems (or any group) say in a large numbers that they would 'not except the results'? Not in that decidedly biased article you linked, they didn't.



Obviously you didn't read it. Yes, they did and still do.

The DNC attempted to overthrow an election in 2000 with their baloney about hanging chads



The question still remains - for the pro-trump people. If you're one of those who won't accept the election results - what are you going to do?
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This election has already been rigged with lots of voter fraud and media collusion. You can ask Bernie or simply read what Clinton and her staff say in Wikileaks. On the right, Breitbart and Drudge rigged the primaries but even if Fox were their best friend, they hardly compare to the power of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, TIME/WARNER and other media under the influence of Soros or the Saudi prince Al Awalid bin-Talal.

So are you talking about after the election has happened?

The first thing to do would be documenting the way it is rigged. That was done twice with Obama's last victories, but then it all depended on the Justice Department doing their job. Since they are the most corrupt bureaucracy in the USA (after the Executive branch) nothing was done about all the obvious fraud and voter intimidation. For example, the entire nation watched the Black Panthers stand in front of a polling station in Philadelphia with billy-clubs to intimidate voters. NO CHARGES pressed by the DOJ whatsoever.


And you ask us to even consider that Hillary will be an honest player?

Surely you aren't that naive?
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#267973 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:29 pm
Dayne Nobody IV wrote:you guys are endlessly trying to make me believe I am erring in guitar tuning, all the way to erring in what words mean? will they ever cease in their black mentalist antics? :D

jeal·ous
ˈjeləs/Submit
adjective
feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages.
"he grew jealous of her success"
synonyms: envious, covetous, desirous; More




No instrument is perfectly tuned from top to bottom, though some are better than others. Part of the magic of making music is finding the happy medium between frequencies.

It could be that your intonation is out on the guitar, making it sound tuned when played open but out of tune just a couple frets up the neck.

It could also be that you're squeezing the strings too hard on some chords. I do that a bit on my Les Paul because I'm used to playing an acoustic.

But I don't think it's a conspiracy against you to notice that something isn't in tune.
#267975 by DainNobody
Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:49 pm
ok, it's possible, but I just posted a re-post from reverb.com basically saying 5 commercial hits / and/or recordings are out of tune also? so what's PG's beef about listening to out of tune music? are you telling me he won't listen to Strawberry Fields" either cause it's out of tune, Robert Johnson , one if not the best bluesman either sounding out of tune and possibly from technical difficulties when changing formats? maybe my computer clock did the out of tune thing or bad intonation thing, I played San Ysidro Strut on a 50 dollar Grenada gut string and am I proud of that? no.. but the whole idea was to introduce just the musical note combinations and as a gift to the board, not wanting compensation of any kind, not even a $100.00 ? if anybody can hate it that much for being out of tune, and yet hordes of people eat up AC/DC outta tune stuff then I can only believe it is a conspiracy.. payback? for not saying good job on everything that is posted? yes?..

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