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#26737 by JONLYKINS
Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:41 am
Ive got to start this with a brief history of my own role. Im a drummer by birth. Felt the pulse as long as i can remember. Played in several bands ( always being the observer and keeping my mouth shut ) I realized early on the biggest reason bands dont workout is ego........................When ever you start playing for yourself instead of the song.............youve lost the reason for music all together............I now play some guitar and some piano and try vocals........im not great at any of the three......but rather focus on What the song needs to transend or move across the waves where a majority of people can feel the lyric............sorry for being wordy but after reading some of these post i thought it needed saying. Thanks.

#26797 by philbymon
Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:29 pm
The problem with bands is that they won't just do everything & anything I tell 'em to...

Um...wait...no...

The REAL problem is I don't have one right now that's able to work!

#26802 by Irminsul
Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:48 pm
Bands are a blessing and a curse rolled into one. On the plus side, the interaction with other brains and sentitments can be instrumental in crafting a unique sound. Downside? Oy, too much to list.
#26893 by Groove-in
Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:35 pm
Usually, too many a#%holes on the same stage, at the same time. With only (one) nice guy....(that would be me :D )!!

#27000 by backfire
Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:44 pm
yes, and knowing that any band is going to have friction, go into the harder driving sets when your fussing...then exclaim to the crowd hey how bout that rockin bass man bob the bad man jones! ya can't escape the ego thing there's got to be some ego just to get up in front of everybody.

#27014 by Kramerguy
Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:11 pm
Ego is not much different than confidence, well... maybe ego is just way overexaggerated confidence, but confidence, in of itself, is a major attractor, the guys look up to you as the alpha male and the girls, well... they LUV it.

Gotta have ego, although, too much of it has it's obvious downsides, but not enough of it also has equal downsides.

#27015 by gbheil
Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:16 pm
I hate to admit it but I am already seeing the effect of diffuse vision and poor leadership. We seem to be stalling out a bit.
JONLYKINS seems to have some insight.

#27093 by JONLYKINS
Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:19 pm
Maybe i should have said cotrolled ego.............didnt realize this would go this far.......... Thanks for the replies.

#27099 by Irminsul
Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:29 pm
Bob Greaves wrote:The only bands that survive are those with a leader who possesses vision and leadership skills.

Bands need a vision, they need ONE vision. Leadership alone can conquer the ego and bring it onto voluntary surrender to a vision that did not originate with you. Usually it is a producer or a front man.


That is largely true. But the down side of that is that the leader can also kill a band. I was in just such an act, an up and coming fusion band that was starting to make inroads in the festival circuit and the "leader" just stopped writing or caring one day. We went from doing original material and booking travel dates to doing tired, slow renditions of other peoples' material and taking local sh*t gigs. That's when I bailed.

#27106 by ted_lord
Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:54 pm
I watched my brothers only band fall apart before they even got started because the spoiled rich kid who had the practice space and equipment had either an ego that didn't let him play in public or lacked the confidence so yeah I'd have to say that leadership and confidence in self is very important

#27370 by scott whitcomb
Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:35 am
The problem with bands is that no one learns their part for the next practice.

#27420 by The Hunter
Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:24 pm
The problem with bands is that there are problems with bands. It's damn near impossible to do it all yourself and make it, and the more people you have, usually, the greater chances of conflict. Bands require social skills and an ability to be open minded, which some musicians are not always willing to do. You've got to find a good match and that's the hardest part. That's exactly what this site is for.
Hooray for bandmix!!! :D

#27424 by HowlinJ
Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:57 pm
Well spoken young one,

By the way, Hunter, I've been noodling around with your song "Confinement". The more I listen to it the more I like it. You should refine it and rerecord it.
Thers an alful lot of great talent on this site. Due to my current post surgery condition, I've Had time to screw around with some of the songs I've been hearing on the forum. I'm also interested in Shredd's "Burn", and Craigs new song"Its no Crime". I was inspired by your excellent cover of Neanderpaul's song. Looks to me that the forum is maturing and expanding to new horizons.

Rock on, Texas Boy, :wink:
Howlin'

#27566 by The Hunter
Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:21 pm
Badass, Howlin. Keep going. I'm thinking about cutting out some of the intro to Solitary Confinement and adding another solo at the end. This is the first time I've ever inspired anyone older than myself. I did a cover of another mudvayne song, "Goodbye". Thinking about posting it.

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