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#26308 by gbheil
Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:10 am
Not being a professional musician I am not the best person to quote here but since you asked.
My forte' is probably logistics, getting there with everything you might need and then some.
In order to attempt to get the best live sound from the given venue I play my strat out from the audience's perspective during the sound check.
Moving about from area to area where the audence will be seated utilizing my wireless so I can hear what they will hear not just our monitor mix. Seems to be especially important when we play outdoors.

#26346 by jw123
Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:40 pm
At 45 Im just learning that 100 watt half stacks are not the key to good sound, unless you happen to be playing a 10,000 seat arena.

For a small club band I think the vocals are key, if they arent happening nothing is. A band should try to make sure their vocals are crisp and clear for the audience.

Some bass players play way too loud. These low frequencys get into mix everywhere if you arent careful.

I really think at least half of the bands playing smaller shows would benifit from playin smaller and quieter amps. Lately a drummer friend of mine and myself have been going out every couple of weeks and checking out smaller bands at various venues and most try to be a little too loud.

Some bands are not prepared to gig and get out before they are ready and blow it. Ive said before you only get one chance to make that first impression. I think song selection is critical. If you are a cover player I think its unwise to play your favorites that noone has heard. You need to play the standards so the crowd will stay with you and then sprinkle in a few of your pet songs. I think original groups should have a handfull of covers to keep people listening.

Just my 2 cents.

#26354 by philbymon
Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:13 pm
Greta topic!

As a bass player, I know that I often play too loud. The reasons for this are obvious. I can't hear the damned thing if I'm too close to the amp. The lows are lost in the stage racket of highs & mids from the guitars & cymbals. I often can't hear myself at all, & have to play from memory. Practice helps me a lot, so I do it a lot. I always check w/ppl to see if it's overbearing.

Choosing good material that you can actually pull off, if you're doing covers, is a must. By good, I don't mean that every person in the audience has to know the songs. They do have to grab ppl, though. Make them want to dance. If a song doesn't do that, I try to get the band to drop it. That is, at least, in a bar scene. Concert scenes are different, obviously. Often there is no dancing allowed. Use your complicated wierd stuff there to show it off, not in a bar.

Vocals must be as close to perfect as the band can get. The vocalist IS the band, in most ppl's opinion. Make sure that he or she can hear the vox, and that the rest of the band can, as well. This way no one misses the vocal cues, & harmonies line up better.

In one band I've played in for years, the singer often skips a verse or changes the arrangement on the fly. It's most disconcerting if you miss his cues, so you have to hear him, & follow his lead. We nearly always sound tight & seamless in spite of his lil problem. (I think it comes from the fact that when he speaks, he stutters...so I cut him slack, since he has such a nice deep voice that works so well in what we do.)

Remember that if your singer can't hit those high notes in a song, he can either use a harmony note, or you may have to change the key to accomodate his problem. Never make the vocalist stretch beyond thier natural ability...it hurts!

In original songs, try to insert a guitar tag-lick or something memorable for the audience to grab onto. Most of the guitarists I've worked with HATE to be told that, but if you can get them to cooperate, the song is always better received.

Make sure that your starts & stops are tight. Only way to do that is practice, & pay attention.

Don't fear the cheese. Ppl love to hear it. A hard core blues band I was in used to play "Knock Three Times" by Tony Orlando, just to break things up. I can't tell you how often ppl commented to me on it, in spite of the groans we got from some of the members onstage.

Keep the spaces between the songs to an absolute minimum...the more it rocks & flows, the better.

If someone's tone sucks, address it BEFORE you take it to the stage. (I've never been the shy one about that... :D )

I hope this helps, in some small way.

#26359 by gbheil
Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:44 pm
Ok philbymon what is a guitar- tag lic. Please explain.

#26361 by philbymon
Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:27 pm
Sorry...a tag lick is a memorable little line that is always there, in the same place, every time you play the song. Just my own description of it. I'm probably using the wrong term. It's something that one can come to expect in a song, a little melody line or accent that oft-times repeats throughout the song, but not necessarilly. It can give a song more musical definition, make it more memorable to the ear. It could be a memorable lick to intro/outro, or set up the verse or chorus, or just to accent a particular few words of lyric.

#26364 by gbheil
Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:00 pm
Yes, that is what I thought you ment. Just wanted to be sure. Our Basest had made the same comment about our original tunes needing a "catch phrase" musically speaking. Yes, excellent point.

#26379 by HowlinJ
Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:25 pm
George,
In barbershop music, the term "tag" is the last big chord at the end of the song.(I know that because my son "howlin'Justin" has been a barber-shopper for a couple of decades.

The term "catch phrase" is a repeating lyrical "hook" like the aforementioned "knock three times on the bedpost" or You got the right string baby but the wrong yo yo" or Long necked bottle, leggo of my hand" or" sookie sookie sookie sookie sookie sookie SOOOOOOO!!"
get the pitcher? :wink:

Bob Greaves,
Good topic indeed.
If you lived a bit closer, you could come jam with my new trio. 60's British rock was my fist musical love and we have an abundance of it in our repituar.

back on topic,
I've retained a lot of little tunes over the years that I can fill in to keep the show going in the event the guitar player breaks a string, like "tie me kangeroo down" or I might whistle the theme to "The Andy Griffith Show". I also got a good beer joint version of "Happy Birthday" with the last line being (tempo increase in polka time) "May you live a hundred years, may you drink a million beers, ... Get plastered you .... ( music stops) ..... Happy Birthday to Youuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!! (cheers and laughs big time)

in the bars, ya gotta keep the gig fun! :lol:

howlin'

#26392 by Lony
Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:39 am
Great topic and so much to learn!! I will keep coming back here

#26395 by gbheil
Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:44 am
Do come by Lony. I could not even begin to list all the cool stuff I've learned from these Folk. We get into some diverse and sometimes perverse discussions but the music news is spot on.

#26396 by philbymon
Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:45 am
You guys are quite right.."catch phrase" is what I meant.

I also try to bring extra axes & have 'em tuned & ready to go if there's a busted string prob.

At solo gigs I used to bring a 12-string, a mandolin & two acoustic guitars to cover whatever I needed, depending on my mood, or to cover a busted string situation. I'd sit there & tune 'em all up, once I got to the bar. What a hassle! But it kept things moving if something went wrong.

I've been known to bring a Danelectro or my Strat to gigs, & tune 'em without the guitarist ever knowing, just in case he busted a string. It's paid off more than once.

But I'm a lil anal about the show. & I like to be prepared. I don't know any other bass players who do that.

#26398 by philbymon
Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:50 am
Welcome Lony. I'm sure you have lots to offer, too. Don't be shy!

#26400 by gbheil
Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:53 am
I havent known bassest to pop a gut that often but for sure the ax man needs a back up especially if he's playin a light string screamer. Our front busted a string in our last show on the last song, I just leaned out in front and carried us through to the end.
Sounds like philbymon is as anal as I am on logistics.

#26434 by jw123
Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:59 pm
Song Selection as in who are you playing to? Make sure your songs fit the place you are trying to play. DOnt play polka in a metal bar, dont play metal in country bar.

If you are playing covers play the standards that fit the audience. What I always tryed to do and believe me I tryed but it didnt always work was to take a band and play their biggest radio hit. Take Lynyrd Skynyrd, I would pick Sweet Home Alabama first as a cover, ZZ Top Tush or Lagrange, Aerosmith Sweet Emotion, Rolling Stones Honky Tonk Women, use the bands biggest songs. Im not saying play these songs but if you play covers play the hits. I know everyone has their own favorites but for the basis of your songs pick winners up front and then fill in the gaps with the players pet songs. Most audiences want to hear something familiar.

Even if you play originals it might be good to have a few hit song covers to make an audience comfortable.

Once again song selection is critical and if your singer cant handle a certain song because of the pitch of tonality issues drop it and never look back. There is too much material out there to play to force a vocalist to sing something they cant. Plus it makes the whole band look bad. An audience doesnt notice when the guitarist misses a tag. or a bassist gets a little out of key, or a drummer misses a stop, but if your singer is singing out of sync or out of key everyone in the room will know it. ANd in a live situation if someone messes up just finish the song like nothing happened. If you are rehearsing and someone is missing a part, stop and address it on the spot, but live never stop. And unless your band is a bunch of virtuoso musicians never attempt a song live that hasnt been practiced before hand. Never it ussually is a trainwreck waiting to happen and just kills the mood of everyone.If you cant play a request politely say we dont know that song but if you will come see us all the time we will put it on our "To Learn List".

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