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#260388 by Badstrat
Tue May 31, 2016 5:04 pm
killing Harambe

Below are just a few clips of the article below. I copied some key points from it. I despise parents that let their spawn run around yelling and playing tag in restaurants, stores and other public places. So you already know how I will come down on this question.

Should irresponsibles parents be held responsible for the damage done through their parental neglect?

In my opinion if the mother were paying attention to her children in the first place this would never have happened. Perhaps she didn't know her children's behavioral patterns that well.


http://www.whio.com/news/news/breaking- ... zoo/nrWkg/

#1 There were about 7,000 visitors to the zoo at the time of the incident. This was the first time a zoo animal had to be killed.

#2 The zoo reports this is the first time the public barrier at the gorilla exhibit has been breached since it opened in 1978.

#3 Brittany Nicely tried to stop the boy from getting into the Gorilla World enclosure. I tried to prevent it, I tried to grab him and I just couldn’t get to him fast enough, said Nicely, who was standing next to the boy’s mother.

#4 The Associated Press reported that witnesses heard the boy’s mother tell him he couldn’t go in the water with the gorillas after he said he wanted to. Witnesses said the mother was with several other young children.

#5 The child was walking and splashing in the water before the gorilla picked him up and dragged him around the enclosure for about 10 minutes, zoo Director Thayne Maynard said, WCPO-TV reported.

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Personally I think this is the kind of mother who lets her kids run wild. The kind of parent that yells at her kids to settle down and then goes about her business as they continue running around yelling and irritating the store patrons.

I believe that she should be held accountable and pay the price for her negligence. If someone standing near the mother tried to stop the kid while the mother was still oblivious to the fact that her kid was doing what she just finished telling him not to do, she is accountable, in my opinion. But then responsibility never rests on the shoulders of those who are irresponsible these days.Instead, I would bet that the zoo will be held responsible instead, despite the facts listed above.
#260393 by DainNobody
Tue May 31, 2016 5:19 pm
they (the experts in zoo wildlife crisis events) are still trying to convince me a tranquilizer would have taken too much time to work.. we are in the 21st century and are they still limited to only one strain of tranquilizer? no fast acting stuff in the 21st century?.
#260394 by DainNobody
Tue May 31, 2016 5:22 pm
I realize the high you get from PCP is from the brain bleeding but geeesshhh? :| :|
#260449 by GuitarMikeB
Tue May 31, 2016 9:00 pm
I am surprised that he kid would be able to mount whatever walls/fences/moats are between the gorilla area and the spectators - does the zoo even meet current code for current safety requirements? If the kid could get down there that easily, couldn't the gorillas get out?
#260454 by Badstrat
Tue May 31, 2016 9:56 pm
"I am surprised that he kid would be able to mount whatever walls/fences/moats are between the gorilla area and the spectators - does the zoo even meet current code for current safety requirements?"

Here is another quote from the article.

"Cincinnati Zoo’s Gorilla World exhibit, which continues to shelter nine western lowland gorillas, is inspected regularly by federal officials and adheres to safety guidelines, according to the zoo’s Facebook post."

The kid had to work at it. The mother had to be negligent, and most likely the Zoo will be sued for the irresponsibility of the mother. .I believe that is how it works. She caused the disaster, she will eventually sue the people who were affected through her negligence, people who paid a very high price already in many aspects, and then she'll get wealthy enough to go to more zoos all over the world if she wishes. I can already visualize a whole army of lawyers forming a line at her door.
#260579 by MikeTalbot
Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:41 pm
That gorilla could learn a lesson from his cousins the baboons. I was on the Zambian border looking over the Zambezi River and getting more and more pissed off as a bunch of nasty baboons starting barking at us and throwing rocks.

Then the enemy artillery opened up, hit us and the baboons. The baboons were out in the open and we jumped into our dugouts. Later I thought, "Well, at least those nasty little critters got slotted..."

Wrong. Not a one was harmed, not even a bloodstain. They were a little more respectful after that however...guess they didn't know whose artillery it was! 8)

Talbot
#260586 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:38 am
Man, I don't know....but kids have a tendency to figure out how to do things you never expected.

Could the parents have been more alert? Maybe...is this an only child?

Kids will find any lapses in supervision no matter what you do. Once he fell into that pit it doesn't matter.

It's just an unfortunate accident.
#260683 by Paleopete
Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:14 am
First off, I don't have enough info to pass judgement, that's the prosecutor's job anyway, not mine.

Did they have to kill the gorilla? Yep. I'm not aware of any kind of tranquilizer that can immobilize a 450lb gorilla fast enough to keep him from killing a 3 or 4 year old kid before he goes under. Yeah this is the 21st century, but that type of drug still takes time to work. Even if you could shoot a big load of it straight into his veins, it would still take too long to work.

Was the mother negligent? Maybe. But I've had to look after kids that young, they can disappear in seconds. No matter how well you watch them, they can get into anything in no time at all and it doesn't take long. I've seen both my nieces disappear with me and my sister both watching them. Your attention gets diverted for 5 seconds, or less, gone.

News articles say the father has a long criminal record. Does that automatically make him a bad or irresponsible parent? No. I've seen convicted felons who weren't the best parents, but still far from the worst. At least the kid does have a father. How many don't?

Bottom line, we don't have enough info to make any kind of judgement. Parents could have been negligent, maybe, kid easily could have disappeared in no time no matter how good they were at being parents, I've seen that myself. Gorilla was only following his natural instincts. Other kids have gotten into gorilla enclosures by mistake over the years, sat still as if scared or hurt and actually been defended by the gorillas. This kid was splashing around and got the gorilla anxious or excited. Big difference. But I can't say who was at fault, I have far from enough info.

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