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Obama's passport records have been breached, according to government officials. No one knows why. LOL

I know why...


He's about to get the full brunt of the Bush whitehouse against him. The flap over his relationship to Rev. Wright has made him weak, and I think they are going in for the kill.

The records have been breached, and the government can appear like the good guys for discovering the breach, but when the information gets out, and it will, it will have served the purpose.

I could be wrong, but I smell a rat.

The establishment doesn't want this man as president.

They want McCain.

Bury Obama, Clinton likely can't win the general election and it will be all McCain's to have.

Just a guess, but we'll see how this turns out.

People are pissed over the Wright flap, and it is NOT dying down.

I thought the speech went along way in fixing his problem, and the nation's newspapers are praising the speech and dismissing the flap as a lack of understanding of black culture, but that is NOT satisfying enough people. The blogs are going crazy with Obama and Wright haters. Many are clearly racists, but many others have simply taken great offense at what they perceive as an attack on America. Not good for Obama.

It looks like McCain as president.

But who knows, there have been lots of twists and turns for this election.

Obama: Dont like him. Dont trust him. I think he's just another lying smarmy polatician from Chicago. He's way too racist to be a true socalist.
Just more of the same old crap. How do I feel about Obama, check the avatar.

Obama: Dont like him. Dont trust him. I think he's just another lying smarmy polatician from Chicago. He's way too racist to be a true socalist.
Just more of the same old crap. How do I feel about Obama, check the avatar.

Well, in the beginning, I said he came out of nowhere and the media had not scrutinized him very well. I got angry when I heard the Rev. Wright fiasco, but calmed down and re-listened to everything more closely, and then heard Obama's speech on race soon after. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and felt enthusiastic that he had opened a discussion on race.

Now...

I find out about the comments in his first book.

Also, in the SECOND book, he mentions Wright giving a sermon and talking about American bombing of Hiroshima. This would lead one to believe he DID lie, about not knowing the worst kinds of comments that Wright had made.

Then...

I just heard him dismissing his remarks about his grandmother with "She's a typical white person"

Wow!

Even if you have been a victim of racism and had anger over it. Is that any way to describe your grandmother? "A typical white person"?

What if I were to say "He's a typical black person"?

All of this, with his wife's comments, make it more clear to me, that the doubters were right all along. It seems he embraced radical elements of the black community, even distancing himself from the white branch of his family tree to do so. And now, when he needs to be a candidate for whites as well as blacks, his past is backfiring on him. And hell, not even his past, as the comment about his grandmother being a "Typical white person" shows quite clearly, he lumps us all together, and has not shaken that out of his worldview as yet.

I was duped. Shame on me. I should know better.

No biggie Craig, I admire the fact that you were willing to take a chance on someone and argue on their behalf. But I also admire that you're not so proud of your views that you can't accept new ones. Good for you.

Obama is clearly the candidate of the young (under thirty), with older folks supporting Hillary. Young people are sick of what they see and I don't blame them for wanting change. But we can't just change for the sake of change. And we certainly don't want to change for the worse.

At this point Clinton must be viewed as the most viable candidate for good change.

I've maintained all along that the Obama campaign has been very carefully choreographed protecting him from any criticism. Now that it looks like he's got a decent chance of gaining the nomination the amount of criticism is way too much to ignore. His polling numbers are way down in North Carolina and Pennsylvania, and McCain is gaining a lead on both Obama & Clinton in the national polls. Obama is a very inexperienced politician. His overall BIG weakness is that he's too green, too new to gain the presidency. The romance is dying, the momentum is dying, I'm afraid there's going to be a bitter convention nomination, probably the superdelegates will decide it and Clinton will be the nominee I predict. This will fracture the democrats and make it very easy for McCain to win. It's a shame. I would prefer to see Obama take it but now I believe there's no way he can pull it out. Later...

Good old crap on the constatution Clinton, Hell no. McCain, Mr kiss the EU butt McCain, Mr roll the USA Canida and Mexico into one big fat welfare state McCain Hell no, I'm a patriot without a candidate, dont at this point have any idea what I,m gonna do. Cant just not vote, been voting since 78 This one party system is what has to change. These freekin world bankers got us by the balls boys, gonna be hell to pay soon enough.

Craig, your posts on such matters are eloquent and informed. I personally get very frustrated over politics in general. Seems like they are all out to screw us.

But regarding Obama..

I noticed early in the primaries, when the MSM (main stream media), more or less declared Hillary the next president; that they were afraid to attack Obama, for obvious reasons, but that didn't stop them from burying other viable candidates like Kucinich, Edwards, Paul, Biden, etc.. The fact that NBC refused to allow Kucinich into the Vegas debates speaks volumes about their obvious attempts (successful) to sway public opinions and perceptions of the candidates. I truly believe that they strategically ignored Obama to not seem racist or biased, under the assumption that he was never going to get far.

They were wrong.

What we've been seeing since Obama had his sweep of big wins has been nothing short of complete and willful character assassination from the MSM, white house, and nearly every other outlet that is part of the "system"... and by that, I mean this:

McCain and Clinton are both birds of the same feather, both have extensive voting records in the senate that prove that they put corporate interests before the public interest.

Obama offers change. His inexperience in politics and his innocent/utopian (lack of a better word) viewpoints on society are actually what most americans are drawn to.

I've been listening to Rush, Hannity, Fox, and all of them are devoting themselves to destroying Obama... The sheer fact that they are now openly supporting Hillary should scare the hell out of everyone.

This new "leak" is without a doubt intentional, and I'm sure there's something in that information that will be used against Obama, of course, NOW that's it's out in the open, and I would bet whatever that is that would be used, is probably nothing that will be churned into something it is not.

I can't stress enough to everyone how obvious the MSM is in it's attempts to control this election. They no longer stand for truth, they are owned and operated by the same corporate interests that stand to lose much should Obama get elected. They only want things (corporate loophole law) to stay the same, which is something that both Hillary and McCain have already guaranteed.

(edit) Had to address this as well:

People are pissed over the Wright flap, and it is NOT dying down.

People I think were impressed with his speech and gave him the benefit of the doubt. The MSM are the ones who are shoving it in our faces 24/7. They can't let it go. I let it go the next day. His speech answered every question I had about the reverend. His answers were effective and I feel he addressed the issues better than any other politician would have. I felt better about him after than before this whole thing even came up.

Perhaps you should look at Mr Obama's voting record. Looks like Clinton out of drag. Ive Been listening to Rush Shawn and Glenn Beck daily for years. None of them openly indorse any of the current canidates especially not Clinton, That is the MSM propaganda take on what they actually said.

Obama offers change. His inexperience in politics and his innocent/utopian (lack of a better word) viewpoints on society are actually what most americans are drawn to.

I think Obama could have been a pivotal person in this election for numerous reasons, but I also feel, now, that he may very well have blown that chance.

What is becoming clear to me, from his pastor, his wife's comments, those he associates with, his books, his slips of the tongue in interviews...

They all add up, in my mind, to someone that is not as different from his pastor as he would like to profess. He aligned himself early on, even since childhood, with the radical element of the black community. Now, he realizes he is in a position on a national stage, having a chance to lead ALL Americans, but the beliefs and attitudes he has held for DECADES now, just slips out, even when logic would tell you, to weigh your words carefully, or shut the hell up. Instead of doing either of those things, he keeps getting into trouble, and the majority of the media (other than Fox, etc...), runs to defend him for his snafus.

What is slipping out of him, in inappropriate times, are his true feelings. They are not so colorless, not so utopian, and not embracing and encompassing.

It is bad enough that he was going to have to "learn on the job" but it is absolutely unacceptable, that he apparently also has to "develop character on the job" as well. How will that turn out? We can't know. Better to find someone with his character issues all worked out.

Obama clearly is not the candidate for all of us. He speaks of separating himself from hiw white family, in favor of his blackness. Apparently he has not grown out of this.

Many Americans are deeply offended at his unpatriotic stances and associations. I don't think this is easily brushed under a rug, particularly in a time of war, where patriotism often reaches a fever pitch. He has offended patriots, he continues to offend whites, even ones who WANT to believe in him. But it is not HIM, that is attractive as much as the MESSAGE is attractive. This gives me hope for race relations in this country, but sadly, for me at least, we need the messenger to really believe this message, not merely pay lip service to it.

I have been surprised more times than I can count, in the twists and turns of this election. But in all seriousness, I fear Obama, who had the best opportunity in decades, to promote healing and understanding between the races, has just set that back for many years to come.

Many whites, who had graduated past race, I fear, have now taken 3 steps backward over this, for the 1 step of progress made.

We'll see how this turns out, but he may have, singlehandedly, just set us back from having a black president for years to come.

I'm watching the anger on the blogs, and there are clearly racist whites, who would have held their tongue, now fearlessly expressing racism publicly. It makes me sick. Obama has slipped not just among Republicans and Independents, but also among Democrats as well, with more than a quarter expressing serious doubts now, about Obama.

The liberal media, is already dong damage control for Oabam as much as they possibly can, but you watch. This has created such a backlash, that there is bound to be more damning info coming out before long. Obama had a teflon coating, as you suggested, because of the fear of racism being charged. But he has aligned himsefl with racists, and that shield has weakened. The fear to expose him publicly, even if it is on racial issues, is gone because of this. Someone will come forward again soon, and we will learn something new, and again troubling.

The liberal media will present this as much ado about nothing, but they will not succeed in re-framing this one. The anger over his comments and associations, is far too deep, for them to succeed in painting this in some other way.

I suspect it balloons and only gets worse.

You guys are a laugh.

Obama is threatening to many American institutions - among them, the good ol boys, the racists, and yes, the old guard Democrats. Before this is all over, they (in the form of the DLC) will attempt to do him in politically before, or in, convention.

I have put up this challenge on several forums, and so far no one has ante upped. When you listen to the ENTIRE Rev. Wright sermon, I defy anyone to find something the guy said that was factually incorrect. Truth has that air about it. It may anger, it may scare - but it cannot be denied. Obama is as much a symbol as he is a man - that America has reached a time for reconning with herself. And that more than anything else, is causing the rightwing, the conservatives, to take a collective dump in their work trousers.

You guys are a laugh.

Great way to start a debate. Well done.

Obama is threatening to many American institutions - among them, the good ol boys, the racists, and yes, the old guard Democrats. Before this is all over, they (in the form of the DLC) will attempt to do him in politically before, or in, convention.

I can think of some other institutions and individuals he threatens:

1) Patriotic Americans
2) Independents
3) Libertarians
4) Believers in MLK's dream

I have put up this challenge on several forums, and so far no one has ante upped. When you listen to the ENTIRE Rev. Wright sermon, I defy anyone to find something the guy said that was factually incorrect.

Are you kidding?

How about that HIV/AIDS was created by the government and then introduced into the black population as a form of genocide against blacks? That the government gives drugs to black people, in order to arrest them, and builds more prisons to make room for this successful enterprise? That Jesus was a black man.

There's 3 big ones.

Since those things are "factual" I can assume you share those views?

Truth has that air about it. It may anger, it may scare - but it cannot be denied. Obama is as much a symbol as he is a man - that America has reached a time for reconning with herself. And that more than anything else, is causing the rightwing, the conservatives, to take a collective dump in their work trousers.

There is some truth in some of the statements above, but only some. This is not an issue of being black, where conservatives are concerned, but an issue of having a radical, socialist type person as president.

Had Colin Powell run for president, as MANY conservatives encouraged him to do. He would have been our first black president hands down, and a decade before this one.

Clearly the attitude of the nation has progressed and advanced. This is a GREAT thing. But it does not require accepting one that aligns himself with radicals, marxists, terrorists and those that despise our nation and wish for it's destruction, and the destruction of soverign nations, like Israel. He DOES associate and relate with such individuals whether directly or indirectly, and in such, does not have the CHARACTER to lead a diverse nation like ours.

As a side note Irminsul,

You severely underestimate the patriotism in this nation. So does the liberal media. Sure, this is a perfect opportunity for the racists to come out spewing vile rants. Sure the power structure does not want to lose their foothold.

Neither of these groups however, reach "mass".

It is the simple, decent, family oriented, hard working, American, who was likely a veteran or has family that were. These are the people he is losing, and many of which will NOT get over this. These are the people that tear up when the star spangled banner is sung. They are members of, or products of "the Greatest Generation" who were immortalized in Tom Brokaw's book with the phrase "this is the greatest generation any society has produced."

That generation did not sacrifice EVERYTHING during WWII to preserve freedom and security for this nation and much of the rest of the world, only to hand the reigns over to the likes of a radical, marxist loving, forked tongue politician like Obama, who's ilk, hates this country, except for the prospect of redividing it's hard earned wealth through socialist enterprises.

Obama's done. There is no chance in hell of him becoming president.

I can see the billboard's now...

"Obama needs the "typical white person" to vote for him... will you?"

You think this sh*t is causing him trouble now? Wait till it gets to the general election. They're gonna have a field day with political ads using his own statements and reminding people who his bed buddies are. McCain won't do it. It will be the political action groups not having to answer directly to McCain's campaign that will do it.

Or maybe this potential ad...

--- A Preview of the next Presidential Prayer breakfast? ---

"Obama is a spiritual-oriented candidate for president. Here is a picture of his pastor. He is the one on the left. The one on the right? Oh yeah, that is Muammar al-Gaddafi, the leader of a terrorist nation, from which the terrorists that bombed Pan Am flight 103 came, and were given refuge for 8 years afterward. And the one in the middle? Louis Farrakhan, yeah, you already know what his policies and philosophies are!"

I don't think any single candidate mentioned would be worth a sh*t for president...

Rep's have had a long enough run and screwed our relationship with the world..

Obama or Hillary is not a logical choice....

That leaves us with Ron Paul, who was the best choice for good changes but stands no chance.

btw...

Is it possible that Obama does not get a fair vetting by the major media, because there is a double standard?


Could that explain how Dr. Kambon "LIVE" on C-SPAN could call for the "Extermination of White People" and the major media ignored the story? Oh, except for Fox, which despite their own shortcomings, is PRECISELY why I am glad they are around to balance sh*t out.

Otherwise, who would know about this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyMsKKGgIYg


How does someone call for the genocide of white people, and it gets ignored?

Who is Dr. Kambon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamau_Kambon


This is why Obama is GUILTY of sitting in the pews of a similar radical black church for 20 years and says NOTHING, but likely claps along with everyone else, rather than speak out against this race hatred which only festers and prevents true change, when people like Obama justify it, and accept it, and say NOTHING.


Also, whenever you hear "You can't just put up a sound bite, and dismiss the man's entire life work!" in excusing Reverend Wright, like Irminsul seems to want to do, well...

See if you hear the same kind of excuse, when the head of the New Black Panther defends Dr. Kambon on FoxNews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49h1x-i830Q

btw... Every once in a while I'm proud of Alan Combs, and this is one of those times.

As a side note Irminsul,

You severely underestimate the patriotism in this nation. So does the liberal media. Sure, this is a perfect opportunity for the racists to come out spewing vile rants. Sure the power structure does not want to lose their foothold.

Neither of these groups however, reach "mass".

It is the simple, decent, family oriented, hard working, American, who was likely a veteran or has family that were. These are the people he is losing, and many of which will NOT get over this. These are the people that tear up when the star spangled banner is sung. They are members of, or products of "the Greatest Generation" who were immortalized in Tom Brokaw's book with the phrase "this is the greatest generation any society has produced."

That generation did not sacrifice EVERYTHING during WWII to preserve freedom and security for this nation and much of the rest of the world, only to hand the reigns over to the likes of a radical, marxist loving, forked tongue politician like Obama, who's ilk, hates this country, except for the prospect of redividing it's hard earned wealth through socialist enterprises.

Obama's done. There is no chance in hell of him becoming president.

I can see the billboard's now...

"Obama needs the "typical white person" to vote for him... will you?"

You think this sh*t is causing him trouble now? Wait till it gets to the general election. They're gonna have a field day with political ads using his own statements and reminding people who his bed buddies are. McCain won't do it. It will be the political action groups not having to answer directly to McCain's campaign that will do it.

Or maybe this potential ad...

--- A Preview of the next Presidential Prayer breakfast? ---

"Obama is a spiritual-oriented candidate for president. Here is a picture of his pastor. He is the one on the left. The one on the right? Oh yeah, that is Muammar al-Gaddafi, the leader of a terrorist nation, from which the terrorists that bombed Pan Am flight 103 came, and were given refuge for 8 years afterward. And the one in the middle? Louis Farrakhan, yeah, you already know what his policies and philosophies are!"

The "librul media" again. Always good for a chuckle.

And you clearly didn't hear the entire Rev. Wright speech, it's on YouTube in two chunks if you want to actually educate yourself on it (which I doubt).

Craig please don't go waving the flag in my face. It's crass, stupid, and I expect better of someone of your intelligence. I do indeed think that the less brainy among the American populace will hang this non-issue around Obama's neck till election time, but not the smart ones who can see the bigger picture. See, playing the worst element in our society isn't a good idea, and Obama realizes this too. Good on him for that.

So while you're writing obits for him, I thought I'd throw in that he's winning more delegates and increasing his delegate lead against the Hillarbeast. That may give you acid indigestion, but so be it.