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Do you believe Climate Change is a farce because of the total lack of scientific evidence? Then you better keep it to yourself or be jailed get fined or go to prison. The radical leftist Attorney general of the United States and the "climate change" world organizers are looking to make your lives miserable. Thou shalt not truth.

The new rule for freedom of speech is that you had better shut up and accept everything we say or else, other than that you still can exercise your freedom of speech. In other words whatever we declare as truth is truth even if it is a lie, and you had better accept our truth or pay the price. Just watch this seep into all speech that doesn't go along with the demoncrap agendas. The new first amendment shall read: If you do not reveal truth or regime corruption or speak any opposing view you may say anything you wish to say, if we permit you to speak.

http://www.akdart.com/warming5.html <....My what an interesting group of enforcers we have listed here.

"Stop the world and let me off" comes to mind.

Notice the people who are screaming about the sky falling are NOT scientists. They are politicians who have several conflicts of interest.

The actual scientists who dare to point out that the politicians are LYING about any "consensus" are all being harassed, persecuted, and intimidated by the same politicians (and their willing accomplices in media) that support punishing anyone who disagrees with their corrupted version of "science".

Jook - I didn't see the post linked above, guess I wasn't getting online much at the time. I come and go...

Interesting stuff there, and it gets more difficult to pin down when you try to factor in erosion. Then things like Baytown TX, which has apparently been sinking into the gulf at about 1/4 " a year, a known fact when I lived there in the 70's. I'm not sure why, that's one of the reasons I started looking into Geology.

The entire crust of the planet is constantly moving, although at an incredibly slow pace relative to our perceptions. The only time we really see the changes "in progress" is when we see earthquakes and volcanoes. That figures in too, one continent may be rising as a whole while another is sinking. Japan and Hawaii are both examples of geologically active areas, still under construction. Both might be seen, from one perspective, to be rising out of the ocean, and from another perspective to be the ocean level going down.

The Pacific Plate is diving underneath Japan, causing a lot of friction that results in heat, greater heat toward the surface leads to an area of greater potential for volcanoes. At the same time, it also results in earthquakes when the two jagged edges catch against each other and can't move for a while, then it suddenly lets go and moves quite a distance at once, same as in the San Andreas Fault in California. San Andreas has been recorded moving several feet at once in some of the worse quakes.

Then you have places that are sinking into the water, like Baytown. Recent discoveries indicate that in some parts of Europe, there were port towns that are completely underwater now. So apparently the rising oceans are not just a recent development. But in other places, the opposite is true.

It's a really interesting field, I barely have a basic understanding of it.

As far as climate change goes, I've posted more than once on here that Climate Change is a theory, not a fact, and a bad one. There has been no significant warming since 1998 or so, which is why "global warming" has given way to the term "climate change". Al Gore has had a zero success rate with his predictions. Global warming was actually happening, for a time, but it was a naturally occurring process.

The warming trend stopped around 1998 - 2000, as a solar cycle came to an end. We're now seeing reduced solar activity, far fewer sunspots, and as a result can expect a long trend of cooler climate and harsh winters. All due to reduced solar activity. I wish I had seen this earlier, the documentary "Dark Winter" aired on Newsmax today. Climate on this planet and all the others is dominated by solar activity. The more solar activity, the warmer the climate, when it changes to a less active cycle, we have ice ages or mini ice ages. Every 206 years. The last one was coming to an end around 1810, then in 1811 the worst earthquake in the history of the area hit the fault line in Missouri and surrounding areas. The New Madrid fault was the source. That kind of heavier geological activity is always associated with the same decreased solar cycles, and harsh winters considered mini ice ages. That was one of the big reasons for the failure of Napoleon in his bid to take over everything he saw. I think it was the same period the Thames in England froze over and people were skating on it.

That's what kind of "climate change" we're looking at. The next 30 to 50 years are very likely going to be very bad because most of the world is not ready for what is really happening. Crops will start failing due to the difference in short term climate, as they did during Napoleon's time, and famine will be a huge problem worldwide. And nobody is even thinking about growing necessary crops 200 miles south of where they grow now. Or more.

That claim that "97% of scientists" is a joke. Sure maybe 97% of the scientists they surveyed agreed with the status quo, but at least 80% of them worked in fields not even remotely related to climate studies. How much would you expect a professor in electrical engineering to know about climate studies? that's who they were surveying, people generally involved in science, and widely varying areas of science, not just those involved in climate studies.

Another thing most people don't realize, virtually all of the people pushing the climate change agenda are also flying all over the world in private or government jets that produce more "carbon footprint" in one trip than your whole town will in a month. At the Climate Convention in Sweden last year they had to clear a military base out to create a place to park 1700 private jets. And they want us to car pool...Just one of those jets did more damage getting there than your car will this year. Al Gore has at least two mansions, in Tenessee and California. The coast of California. When a reporter did a little follow up it turned out it was nowhere near "green" and Gore was paying huge electric bills. When he tried to interview Gore he was stonewalled repeatedly.

Climate change is a hoax being perpetrated for the purpose of political control.

Oops...google Maunder Minimum and Dalton minimum or dark winter and you'll get a lot of good info.

Excellent post. But, was it worth...... PRISON?!?!?!

I heard about a decade ago that the Mississippi Delta loses several football fields of land to the gulf a day. Or something. True? Did they mean a year? Eventually, that erosion would take NOLA, no?

Sorry I have not yet read your article and have so little time today that I'm just going to scattershoot in a drive-by. Forgive me if I'm restating the case you already made.

The problem in New Orleans is a project of reclamation that the Army Corp of Engineers began about a century ago. It re-routed the Mississippi and completely altered the natural ecosystem of waterways in south Louisianna, and the results are floods that are actually man made. This is used as "evidence" of climate change for the liars.

It amazes me that no one seems to take into account that there have been 3 major earthquakes in the last 20 years which moved the Earth's axis. That means a weather pattern that used to go across north texas has moved a little north and east now. Tennessee over to the Carolinas get the tornadoes like we used to get them here.

But the 97% consensus baloney is such a blatant lie of propaganda that anyone who quotes it should be jailed for fraud.

If you really look at the study, you'll find that most scientists didn't respond to the query. Of the less than 4% who did, they say that 97% (of the 4%) of scientists think climate change is man made. The rest of scientists didn't think it was worth responding to, but of those, most of them also think that man has "some influence" on the environment.

I'd be really concerned about that 3% who doesn't realize that man has "some influence" on the environment.

But these FACTS are distorted to produce a lie that supposedly demands that we tax everyone on the planet according to the amount of "carbon" they use. That means we could be now taxed by how much water we drink, how much air we breath, how much waste we produce, how much energy we consume or exert in any area of life (eating, transportation, housing, etc)

It's a fascist naked power grab. Most people in the world know this but the powerful continue telling the big lie.

Yes, but you said" Years ago (before man interrupted this process) sediment loads from seasonal flooding replenished these areas and raised the elevations naturally." and went on to talk about what the Army Corp did to change the natural ecology and cause the problem you now have with subsidence.

So, by this reasoning, climate change is caused by GOVERNMENT and we should imprison those people who deny that GOVERNMENT is the real problem here.

I'm all for it.

I didn't know about the barges but I did know that levee damage was what caused the flooding.

French Quarter above sea level? I remember commentators saying New Orleans in its entirety is something like 20 to 25 feet below sea level. (I don't know, never looked it up, just going by what was reported). Not going to argue the point, you seem to have a pretty good grip on the details, just stating what I heard...

Reading your reply reminded me of things I hadn't thought of in a while, I can't find my Geology book, it's packed away somewhere in a box, and I've wanted to dig it out for a while and look up things I'm fuzzy on. I had only read it about 3 times when I moved and still hadn't absorbed a lot of it. Really interesting stuff though, especially when you have a chance to apply it to real world events. The seemingly minor aspects take on a different perspective when you try to look at the wider view.

What worries me, geologically, is what is happening with climate (not to be confused with environment). In the past couple of mini ice ages, as they are being called, geological activity increased greatly, some of the most disastrous earthquake and volcanic activity has been during those periods. I'm seeing indications of it starting up already. The earthquakes in south America, volcano in Nepal I think it was, Hawaii and Japan acting up as always, and one that should really worry people, Yellowstone is a caldera volcano, or super volcano, and is long overdue for an eruption. Geologists also found out not too long ago by modernized sonar, the lava pool below it is much larger than thought before, and shallower. If...or when actually, Yellowstone erupts, it will be a disaster on a scale never before seen by humans, except maybe the one that buried Pompeii. And nobody really remembers that one. We just see the evidence and can only imagine the first hand event..

That's why the "climate change" hoax is worrying me. The truth is we're headed into at least 30 years of harsh winters, cooler climate in general, due to a reduction in solar activity, and according to what I've seen so far, it looks like this one could be worse than the last two by far. Sunspots are almost nonexistent already, and it's only a few years into the process for this cycle. Solar activity could drop below any historic records, and that has always coincided with greater geologic activity in the form of major earthquakes and volcanoes.

It will also very seriously affect the world's food supply, because in a few more years, if it keeps going, crops that now do well will no longer perform in the same geographical areas. Corn, for example, is all you see for 200 miles in North and South Carolina. In the not so distant future, it will refuse to grow there and we'd better be ready to start planting it in the gulf coast states, if it will actually do well enough there. I'm not too familiar with where else the corn belt is, but the whole thing will have to go hundreds of miles south to grow at all, the overall conditions will be too cold where it is now. That's what caused the famines during Napoleon's time. And his failure in his attempt to conquer Europe.

We're about to see the same thing happen again, and it is a regular cycle, not something caused by man. Yes we have affected the environment, but that's a totally different story than climate. Or weather. Weather is a day to day issue, climate is the overall long term view, independent of weather. Environment is still another story.

I'm also wondering what affect all the immense deforestation will have. According to what I've seen reported, huge areas of South American rain forest are long gone, mostly to make way for cattle grazing, to supply beef for places like McDonald's, the world largest beef purchaser. I suspect it won't be for many years we understand the overall impact of that. Erosion, wildlife and species extinction, changes in the course of waterways perhaps? I don't know. I do expect it to have a much greater impact than anyone may suspect so far.

Same for oil production. That oil was there for a reason, now we're pumping it out of the ground. What unknown geological affects are in progress right now that we have never even dreamed of? Ever see a mole tunnel running across your yard and step on it? What will happen with the large cavities left where oil once was? I read in the Geology book that when Lake Meade was filled to create a reservoir for Las Vegas, they had earth quakes for several years until everything settled in, the weight of all that water suddenly there where it had never been caused the plates underneath to shift to accommodate the strain. What is happening right now due to the removal of all that oil? A lot of people claim fracking does not cause earthquakes. Nonsense, it was proven in the early 70's when the Army decided to pump toxic waste deep underground mixed with water in Colorado. Within 6 months the earthquakes started, and they didn't finally stop until they stopped pumping water into the ground. Fracking is not only pumping water into the ground, but actually setting off underground explosions to fracture the bedrock and allow the collection of oil. Literally everywhere I know of that fracking is done, earthquakes have been reported.

Scary stuff. It might be getting us some oil, but I am definitely not a fan of fracking. I've had a dubious opinion of traditional oil drilling for a long time, as in ever since high school, because it seems you would have to have some kind of trade off when you pull millions of barrels of oil out of the ground. Aside from the waste produced, that seems to be a problem as well.

The biggest problem is that so far, we have no affordable replacement...solar and wind power both produce electricity, but neither is reliable or affordable. As far as I can find out, all of the solar farms are losing money, and don't produce a speck of power at night. Wind farms don't seem to be making much profit, can't operate during periods of no wind or too much, and only produce something like 10% of total electricity demands so far. And both are much more expensive. Solar panels have about a 10 year life span and solar farms are killing birds and blinding pilots, wind farms take up huge plots of real estate and require some expensive maintenance, and neither is reliable. Nothing else is even remotely feasible right now.

And of course I've strayed pretty far off topic...but the overall picture worries me. Climate change is a fact, and a natural occurrence that has been in progress since long before dinosaurs existed. But the current shift in climate is exactly the opposite of what fools like Al Gore are predicting. If current trends continue, remember that the past 3 winters have been both harsh and bizarre. Atlanta frozen over for the first time in recent memory, cars stranded on the freeways for a week. Record snowfalls in the northeast 2 years in a row. Snow right here in my yard, 3" of it, and on the ground for almost a week, I've never seen that in Texas or Louisiana in my life. Usually we get an inch, it's gone by the next morning. The only exception was 1972, when I built a snow woman with a friend and someone snapped a picture that ended up in the local newspaper, it was still standing the next afternoon. Yes, a snow woman, an impulsive idea that ended up in the news...but that's the only time I remember snow ever lasting more than one day in Louisiana. In central Texas, Bryan College station area, we had about an inch that was on the ground for 2 days, that's it, that was about 1980 or so. Other than that, snow has never stayed more than a day and rarely more than an inch. But in the winter of 2013, we got 3 inches here in my yard and it was almost a week before it all melted. 2014 Atlanta froze over and was a disaster for a week, 2014 and 2015 record snowfall all over the northeast.

Get ready for lots more...climate change is here and it ain't getting warmer...