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#257363 by Paleopete
Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:39 am
I had a wise old man tell me long ago- 'don't believe anything you hear and half of what you see'. There's a LOT of truth behind that saying.


I've kept that quote in mind for many years, as well as this one.

It's better to keep silent and be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I've been thinking along the same lines as you just posted, what's going on behind the scenes?

I try to check around online and find a little of the truth rather than blindly trusting a news media I already know is a bunch of complete liars. The press hasn't actually reported the news in a long time, they air what they are told to air by the politicians who own all the mainstream news channels, all democrats. With the exceptions of Fox and Newsmax. Virtually all the "alphabet soup" news channels are owned and operated by democrats with close ties to upper level government officials. So if all you get is "news" on TV, you are not very well informed at all.

So what is actually happening?

Hundreds of thousands of "refugees" have been pouring into Europe from Syria. Only 40% of them are actually from Syria, and around 80% are military males. Why is this so different from any refugee movement we've ever seen? I remember the Cambodian refugees from the 60's and 70's, Cuban boat people, and others, always mostly family groups, very few military age males, most of the males were old men too old to do much good in a serious fight.

Recently the news agencies seem to be picking out pictures with a few women and kids, since it was pointed out that most were men who actually should be staying there to defend their homeland.

Now, we see some European countries starting to try and keep them out. Not many, but a few. I can't remember which ones, I think Poland was the latest.. Unlike many refugees of the past, they are not trying to assimilate into the populations of the countries they move to, they set up their own neighborhoods and act as if they still live under the same Muslim rule. France has areas like this, commonly called no go zones, where not even the Police will go. This is not normal. Hundreds of rapes and sexual assaults around Christmas in Germany, crime getting out of control in many areas, and in some cases these "refugees" are actually protesting because they don't get all the latest conveniences...Cable TV, AC, specialty foods, etc. I don't remember the Cambodian refugees doing that in the 70's...

This is looking much more like an invasion than a refugee movement. Also, ISIS announced long ago that they were going to mix their people in with the refugees, and that has been proven. Two of those who perpetrated the attack in Paris had Syrian passports, one had been stamped in Greece a month earlier. It only took a month to put together a deadly attack in several different places all at once that resulted in 130 casualties??? That's like saying you could put together the first Indy 500 in a week. Now this attack in Brussels, right after one of the head honchos was arrested and supposedly cooperating with officials, in a couple of days???

I didn't see the AIPAC speech Trump made, so I'm not too familiar with what he said. But I remember what he said when he started the idea that we need to clamp down on Muslim entry into this country until we find out what is going on. I also agree with that. That means immigration and refugees, I don't see a problem with continuing to allow those to go back and forth such as businessman who have been doing it for years, but until we have a way to find out WHY new arrivals want to be here, WHERE they come from and WHO they actually are, the common sense thing to do is say no.

Those countries have no criminal databases like we have here, in many cases they don't even have any proof what their name is. ISIS has gotten their hands on passport machines, they can now create fake passports that are completely authentic, made on the same machine with the same paper. The only way to find out it's a fake is to have a good way to dig into the background of that person. We don't have that. They don't have social security numbers, no criminal database, in some cases not even a birth certificate.

Now we see them putting together bombs and creating havoc in public places, while the local authorities are searching for the very same people or have already had them in their "radar".

Those same people are trying to come here. Obama has already insisted we take in at least 200,000 in the next year. How many of those will be carrying false papers and lying about why they want to come here? Remember the Koran advises that they lie to further the cause, which is to exterminate infidels and impose Islamic Sharia law world wide.

What is happening in the background? We know both Iran and Saudi Arabia have been funding terrorists for a long time, we know Iran has sworn to wipe both Israel and the USA off the map, and we know Iran just got $150 billion to throw at more terrorist groups, and nuclear weapons handed to them on a silver platter. We also know the so called refugees flooding into Europe are not even making any pretense at melting into the society tat has accepted them, and most are military age males who actually should be staying home to defend their countries. Something is definitely not right about this whole situation, and I don't pretend to be able to put my finger on it.

Here at home. the GOP is trying anything they can think of to keep Trump from getting the nomination, and as I predicted long ago, they seem to be willing to cheat if they have to, to do it. As much as I've always liked Cruz, he has certainly started looking like he's given in to the establishment, trying to derail Trump rather than win on his own steam, and getting an endorsement from Jeb Bush, of all people. Not to mention Mitt Romney...and Kasich is staying in the race even though he has absolutely no chance in hell, just to rob Trump of a few delegates.

And then Obama is doing what he always does ignore what could be a huge problem while he plays world traveler and dances the night away. Reminds me of when an American journalist was beheaded and he was on the golf course 7 minutes after his short, say nothing speech. Or when the government shut down and he stayed on the golf course. When the journalists were beheaded, one American and one British, David Cameron cut his vacation short, on the first day, went back to England and got Parliament together and two days later they had legislation n place to deny re entry to any British citizen coming back from the middle east until they could find out whether that person was or was not a threat. Obama just kept playing golf. So it's no surprise to me he's in Cuba watching baseball and dancing the Tango the next night...while everything just gets worse...

What is going on here? the middle east is completely out of control, our "commander" in chief has done nothing at all, ISIS just said they are sending 400 fighters into Europe, people flooding into Europe from all over the middle east and causing a lot of trouble, economies all over the world doing the roller coaster routine, China building islands in International waters to expand their territory, terrorists causing havoc in Africa as well, our borders are wide open to who knows how many jihadists, and as usual Hillary Clinton wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and slapped her...and everybody in sight trying anything possible to derail the one person who has the best chance of actually doing something to make this country a better place to live and keep it nominally safe to live here...it's a no brainer no politician will do a thing...
#257392 by Badstrat
Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:59 pm
Never worry never fear. The entrenched will "appoint" one of their own RINOS before it is over and that is the real choice Americans will get. Their puppets have ruled for decades, so what me worry?
#257393 by RGMixProject
Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:15 pm
Badstrat wrote:Never worry never fear. The entrenched will "appoint" one of their own RINOS before it is over and that is the real choice Americans will get. Their puppets have ruled for decades, so what me worry?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeJ-iv3MOTo
#257446 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:49 pm
Sorry RG. That link calls for me to jump through hoops to prove my age and wisdom to NOT be offended.

I am sick of anyone alive deciding arbitrarily what is OK for me to see. Shades of censorship? I know, I know... Its's there website... So was TRUMP hall when he paid for it and he was censored, in Chicago.

This shiit has gotten so bad that seaworld will no longer breed captive ORCAS, because someone censored them, and shamed them into being politically correct. KEIKO was a home grown whale. They tried to release him into the wild... HE PROMPTLY DIED.

All you do gooder, censor you, tell you what to do people, better back off... Trump is coming and he won't put up with this KRAP!

So RG, just what was that video about? :)
#257627 by DainNobody
Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:00 pm
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#257663 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:38 pm
I just got censored here because of the word pussssy as in cat. Can't make this stuff up. :roll:
#257692 by GuitarMikeB
Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:15 pm
Trumps flip-flops
DEFEATING ISIS

1. Maybe send troops in. Definitely go after the oil fields.

In Trump's first interview after announcing his bid, he signaled that he'd both send in ground troops to Iraq and not send in ground troops.

"You bomb the hell out of them, and then you encircle it, and then you go in," he told Bill O'Reilly, who remarked that the plan necessitated ground forces. "I disagree, I say that you can defeat ISIS by taking their wealth — their wealth is the oil."





2. Bomb the oil fields. Send some troops in.

On CNN, Trump said, "I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldn't send many troops because you won't need them by the time I'm finished."

3. Send troops to defeat ISIS. Don't forget about the oil fields.

In a single August interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," he offered three solutions for what to do with the oil field profits: keep them, give them to veterans and their families, or, when pressed, perhaps give some to the Iraqi people.

Months later, in a March debate, Trump ballparked the number of troops he would need to send in to defeat ISIS.





"We really have no choice, we have to knock out ISIS," Trump said. "I would listen to the generals, but I'm hearing numbers of 20,000-30,000."

4. Destroy the oil. Let our regional allies send ground troops. If they don't, stop buying their oil.

In a foreign-policy focused interview with the New York Times published March 26, Trump said that the U.S. should "take" ISIS' oil, but then said the U.S. should "knock the hell out of the oil and do it because it's a primary source of money for ISIS." Trump also ruled out sending in U.S. troops, saying that other countries in the region — "regional Arab partners" such as Saudi Arabia — should provide the ground troops. If these countries did not, the United States would stop buying their oil and withhold "protection" in the region.

Current position: To defeat ISIS, Trump would destroy the oil fields controlled by the militant group. U.S. allies in the region must commit ground troops to defeat the Islamic State.

VIOLATING U.S. AND INTERNATIONAL LAWS WITH REGARD TO TORTURE, TERRORISM

1. The military will obey potentially illegal orders.

In December, Trump started demanding that the US target the families of ISIS members in addition to "bombing the sh*t" out of the terrorist organization. He went further in February, advocating for torture as a method of interrogation.

"I would bring back waterboarding, and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding," Trump declared in the February debate just ahead of the New Hampshire primary. Calls for bringing torture back became a regular applause line at rallies, despite the likelihood that both of these ideas would require the American military to obey orders that violate international laws and federal anti-torture statutes.

Pressed at a debate on March 3 over whether the American military would obey his order to violate international laws and the Geneva Convention to do such things, Trump insisted they'd listen to him, despite condemnation from military leaders and conservatives.

"Frankly, when I say they'll do as I tell them, they'll do as I tell them," he said.

2. The military shouldn't break the law, after all.

He then reversed this position the very next day, on March 4, in a statement to the Wall Street Journal, saying he "will not order military or other officials to violate those laws and will seek their advice on such matters."

3. The laws forbidding torture should be changed so no one has to break them.

Not long after terrorist attacks in Brussels killed at least 28 people and injured dozens more on March 22, Trump called in to CNN to expand on his call to legalize waterboarding.

"Look, I think we have to change our law on the waterboarding thing, where they can chop off heads and drown people in cages, in heavy steel cages and we can't water board," Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "We have to change our laws and we have to be able to fight at least on almost equal basis."

When Blitzer reminded Trump that military leaders don't support torture and that it violates international agreements that the United States has signed, Trump called opposition to torture a "political decision."

"I would say that the eggheads that came up with this international law should turn on their television and watch CNN right now, because I'm looking at scenes on CNN right now as I'm speaking to you that are absolutely atrocious," Trump said. "And I would be willing to bet, when I am seeing all of the bodies laying all over the floor, including young, beautiful children laying dead on the floor, I would say if they watched that, maybe, just maybe they'll approve of waterboarding and other things."

Current position: Trump says he's against violating international laws or ordering others to do so, but wants to change the laws to legalize, at minimum, waterboarding.

IMMIGRATION

1. Build a wall, deport all undocumented immigrants.

At the core of Donald Trump's campaign is a promise to build a wall across the United States' southern border and deport the country's 11 million undocumented immigrants with the help of a "deportation force."

2. Deport all undocumented immigrants but bring the 'good' ones back legally. Dreamers can maybe stay.

In a CNN interview in July, Trump said, "I want to move them out, and we're going to move them back in and let them be legal, but they have to be in here legally."

Trump wavered on what to do with the Dreamers - young undocumented immigrants who were brought to this country by their parents as children and are now afforded limited protection from deportation but no path to citizenship. When asked if Dreamers would have to go back, he said, "It depends."

3. Dreamers cannot stay.

In August, that ambiguity was gone: "They have to go," he said on "Meet the Press."
4. Trump might be flexible on actually deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants.

BuzzFeed reports that in off-the-record talks with the New York Times, Trump admitted this was just bluster and a starting point for negotiations, saying he might not deport the undocumented immigrants as he's promised. Trump has refused calls to release the transcript, despite furious requests from his rival candidates.

Current position: As far as the public knows, Trump still wants to deport millions, including the Dreamers.

VISAS FOR HIGH-SKILLED WORKERS

1. H-1B visas are bad for American workers.

Trump's immigration plan was published on his website in July: it opposed the H-1B program, which allows non-immigrant visas for specialty occupations, arguing then that it was bad for American workers.

2. H-1B visas are good.

At the CNBC debate in October, Trump denied that he'd been critical about the program. "I am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in Silicon Valley," he said.

3. H-1B visas are still bad, according to Trump's unchanged website.

At the Fox News debate on March 3, some five months later, Fox News host Megyn Kelly pressed Trump on which of these conflicting views he supports.

4. H-1B visas are necessary: 'I'm changing.'

"I'm changing. I'm changing. We need highly skilled people in this country. If we can't do it, we will get them in. And we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have. So we do need highly skilled," he said.

5. H-1B visas are definitely bad.

His campaign later released a statement reversing this shortly after the March 3 debate ended.

"Megyn Kelly asked about highly skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: These are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay," Trump wrote in a statement. "I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

He reaffirmed this position in the GOP debate on March 10, one week later, vowing to end the program that he noted he uses himself as a businessman.

Current position: Back where he started — against the H-1B visa program.

BORDER CONTROL AND THE REFUGEE CRISIS

1. The US has a 'humanitarian' obligation to take in some Syrian refugees.

Trump initially said the country should absorb Syrian refugees.

"I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to," Trump told Bill O'Reilly on Fox News on a Tuesday night in September. "But you know, it's living in hell in Syria. There's no question about it. They're living in hell, and something has to be done."

2. The US cannot and should not accept Syrian refugees.

The next day, Trump said the country couldn't welcome refugees fleeing the Syrian civil war.

"Look, from a humanitarian standpoint, I'd love to help. But we have our own problems," he said on Fox.

During the March debate, Trump defended his changing view.

"First time the question had been put to me, it was very early on. The migration had just started. And I had heard that the number was a very, very small number. By the second day, two or three days later, I heard the number was going to be thousands and thousands of people. You know, when they originally heard about it, they were talking about bringing very, very small numbers in, and I said, begrudgingly, well, I guess maybe that's OK," Trump said. "By the time I went back and studied it, and they were talking about bringing thousands and thousands, I changed my tune. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that."

3. Close the border.

"I'd close up our borders to people until we figure out what is going on," Trump said on Fox News the morning of the Brussels attacks claimed by ISIS that killed at least 28 and injured more than 270.

4. Don't close the border, just be careful.

"I didn't say shut it down — I said you have to be very careful, you have to be careful on who's coming into our country," he said the same day as the Fox News interview on CBSN, reiterating that people from Syria without papers shouldn't be allowed in.

Current position: Against closing the borders entirely. Against accepting Syrian refugees in the United States.

PROPOSED MUSLIM BAN

1. No Muslims should be allowed to enter the United States —as immigrants or visitors.

Donald Trump called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" in a statement about "preventing Muslim immigration" in December.

2. Ban Muslims from entering but make an exception for his friends and Muslims serving in the US military.

He later amended his stance in an interview with Fox News, saying the 5,000 Muslims serving the United States military would be exempt from the ban and allowed to return home from overseas deployments. He also suggested that current Muslim residents — like his "many Muslim friends" — would be exempt, too, and able to come and go freely.

Current position: Ban Muslims from entering the country —except service members, his friends and those already here.

KU KLUX KLAN AND DAVID DUKE

1. 'I disavow, OK?'

After former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard and white nationalist David Duke began encouraging his followers to vote for the Republican front-runner, including making a plea on his radio show on February 25, Trump initially disavowed Duke's support in a press conference on February 26.

"I didn't even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? OK, all right. I disavow, OK?" Trump said.

2. 'I don't know anything about David Duke. OK?'

After disavowing David Duke on a Friday, Trump was asked about the Ku Klux Klan and Duke by CNN's Jake Tapper on Sunday. Trump claimed to know nothing of Duke or the KKK.

"I don't know anything about David Duke. OK? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So I don't know. I don't know, did he endorse me or what's going on, because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you're asking me a question that I'm supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about," Trump said, refusing three times to unequivocally condemn the support of white supremacists until he knew more about them.

3. 'I disavow, OK?' — part two.

After that cagey song and dance-like interview sparked outrage on Sunday, Trump took to Twitter to clarify, tweeting a video of his Friday press conference in which he did disavow Duke.



As I stated at the press conference on Friday regarding David Duke- I disavow. pic.twitter.com/OIXFKPUlz2
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 28, 2016
That Monday on NBC's "Today," Trump blamed his refusal to condemn Duke and the KKK on a lousy earpiece but continued to hedge against disavowing the support of "groups" he doesn't know anything about, despite Savannah Guthrie's reminder that in the interview in question, Trump had been only been asked about the KKK and Duke.

Current position: Trump has disavowed Duke, despite a lengthy back-and-forth about whether he knows about him or not.

THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL

1. Keep the current deal with Iran, police it.

Trump was one of the few Republicans who didn't immediately promise to rip up the Iranian nuclear deal. The author of "The Art of the Deal" told his supporters that while it was the worst deal ever, they'd probably have to live with it.

"It's very hard to say, "We're ripping it up.' And the problem is by the time I got in there, they will have already received the $150 billion," Trump said, referring to a high estimate of how many of Iran's assets will be unfrozen as part of the deal (the White House says after Iran's debts are paid, it's closer to $56 billion).

"But I will police that deal," he said, touting his handling of business contracts. "I would police that contract so tough that they don't have a chance. As bad as the contract is, I will be so tough on that contract."
2. Renegotiate the nuclear deal with Iran.

In September, he went further.

"When I am elected president, I will renegotiate with Iran — right after I enable the immediate release of our American prisoners and ask Congress to impose new sanctions that stop Iran from having the ability to sponsor terrorism around the world," he wrote in an op-od for USA Today.

Current position: Renegotiate the deal.

HEALTH CARE

1. Repeal Obamacare. Look to Canada for inspiration.

In August, Trump was asked repeatedly if he still supported the single-payer health care he'd touted in the past. He said America should have a private system but repeatedly praised Canada and Scotland's socialized system.

"As far as single-payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland. It could have worked in a different age, which is the age you're talking about here," Trump said. "What I'd like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state … Get rid of the artificial lines, and you will have yourself great plans. And then we have to take care of the people that can't take care of themselves. And I will do that through a different system."
2. Repeal Obamacare. Cover everybody.

"I am going to take care of everybody," Trump told CBS in September. "I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."

3. Repeal Obamacare, but 'I like the mandate'

During a CNN town hall on February 18, Trump started to answer a question about how he'd replace the Affordable Care Act with health savings accounts, "which are great," but interrupted himself to talk at length about how he's "a self-funder." When pressed by interviewer Anderson Cooper about what would happen when Obamacare is repealed and the mandate disappeared, therefore allowing insurance companies to deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, Trump said:

"Well, I like the mandate. OK. So here's where I'm a little bit different. I don't want people dying on the streets and I say this all the time."

4. Repeal Obamacare. Replace it with something.

Trump was mocked in the February 25 debate for being vague about how he would replace Obamacare.

"You'll have many different plans. You'll have competition, you'll have so many different plans," he said at the debate, earning derision from Sen. Marco Rubio.

5. Repeal Obamacare. Not everyone will be covered.

His health care plan, finally released online in March, has far more in common with the kind of boilerplate health care proposals the rest of the Republican party touts than his earlier praise for Canada suggested it might.

It would likely cause 21 million people to lose their health insurance and cost about $270 billion over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan budget advocacy group Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB).

It offers up unspecified amounts of grants to states to replace Medicaid, but it's not clear how or what those would look like, or how they would cover the millions of people that Trump's plan lets fall through the cracks. CRFB noted that block grants "could generate a wide range of savings" to the federal budget, but without details on them, it is "impossible to score any savings" from his plan.

Current position: Repeal Obamacare. Replace it with something.
#257710 by Vampier
Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:07 pm
Great folder you put together on Trump Guitar mike. How about The Black Messiah and The Hag ... oh I guess that would be volumes and volumes ... oh well. The Hag should be in prison instead of "running" for President and off at the mouth. The Emails and murder ... you know. And this just surfaced again about the Muslim Traitor and Fast and Furious, it seems they just can not stop lying and committing Evil Acts...
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-fast-f ... errorists/
...how is your stone throwing arm anyway.
#257711 by Planetguy
Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:18 pm
and WHY would mike bring hillary or obama into a conversation about Trump's flip flops (lies)???? (knowing perfectly well that you or someone else would be along tout de suite to do precisely that to try to deflect it away from Trump...while you point fingers at Mike!!)

sorry, last time i looked....this thread's title is "Trump for President".

and anyone who wants to give Trump a pass for the violence he condones, supports, and encourages at his rallies with the lamebrain excuse..."well, he's paying for the hall so he gets to do whatever he wants!".....they lose all rights to bitch about so called "censorship" at BM w/o making themself look a hypocrite.

afterall Bandmix is "paying for the hall".....so THEY get to do whatever THEY want on THEIR site.
#257714 by Vampier
Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:53 pm
http://www.infowars.com/trump-supporter ... my-stupid/

... just for you Planet Guy. Your post was most excellent ... I guess you really "told" me and demonstrated what many on here know about yourself... being a Champion of Hypocrisy. Mike was very articulate and I was impressed taking no issue with what he put together so well. I was pointing out that if such was done with any of the Political filth, even the small fry like Cruz, well it would take megabytes. Perhaps if the "government" wasted some more dollars on building "Lying Fusion Centres" then this could be handled easily. Ha Ha Ha ...dark vampiric laughter of no consequence to anyone.

Planet Guy ... you once complained that I never posted on other threads. I do occasionally and have all along. Here is something interesting in that the PussBags have the common people exactly where they want them and doing exactly what they want them to do ... not that you would be included in this. Ha Ha Ha ...evil vampiric laughter of no consequence to anyone. Ha Ha Ha ... more of the same.
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#257715 by Planetguy
Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:04 pm
LOL aren't you the same vampire who recently scolded me for attempting to speak for others here?

And now here YOU are doing precisely that!

That seems rather .....oh, what's that word..... Uh, it starts w an "h"....

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