General Music Chat

apples and oranges.

Not necessarily. The Magic Band were on food stamps and were actually arrested and jailed for shoplifting food during that rehearsal period. The Stones were tootin' it up the nose and staying drunk.

I can also take an average beginner on guitar and teach him the Stones song in a few lessons. I didn't learn how to play that dissonant sh*t until I was in my 30s and started playing jazz guitar. I had to get into advanced theory to figure that one out. So it boils down to $$$ and work ethic.

i think you just made my point jook! so what's the common denominator you're mentioning there? you're comparing two very different approaches to two very different types of music.

ya don't like "apples and oranges"? how about grapes and bananas then??!!!!

look, there's no doubt you CAN show a beginner the chords to a Stones song and they can hack away it, but is it gonna have the groove and grease.....the pocket? the tone? unlikely.

and really....i couldn't care less that the stones were doing large amounts of drugs when recording that album. it sounds great. feels great. so what they had more more money than Beefheart's crew..... sh*t, they had more money than most...so? i don't see your point.

you seem put out that they didn't have their sh*t all tidy and rehearsed.

that's what i was trying to say.....if you play "through composed 'avante garde' music" where it's all scripted and written out....hell yeah, you need to rehearse and have that shite wired.

but if you're playing greasy Stones type rock....nah.

not if you have a bunch of great FEEL players (and THAT's what the Stones were about) then you DON'T rehearse and plan your every move. it's that loosey goosey "let the tape roll roll and we'll get something" vibe that makes "Sticky Fingers" so great.

. I didn't learn how to play that dissonant sh*t until I was in my 30s and started playing jazz guitar. I had to get into advanced theory to figure that one out. So it boils down to $$$ and work ethic.

"So it boils down to $$$ and work ethic."

i dunno, that seems kinda harsh, dismissal , and a little judgmental.

so what if the guys in the Stones had some money from crafting great rock and roll tunes? big deal. so what if they were happy playing rock and r&b and had no interest in branching out to jazz and avante garde...that's perfectly ok by me. i'm grateful they didn't and stuck to what they did best and held near and dear.

i did read it...and i'm not looking to butt heads. sheeet, i'll talk football (or even better HOOPS) til the cows return home.

you just lost me as to what point you were trying to make comparing the two dif approaches.

GO SPURS!!!!

Mick Taylor left the Stones cause they would not ".. progress"but who had the better career, when Ronnie Wood come on board?.. A Muscle Shoals guitarist tried to get on and auditioned for them but they chose Ronnie..

I think that Muscle Shoals guitarist is given some "guitarist credits" on the album Black & Blue (maybe my favorite Stones record)

you just lost me as to what point you were trying to make comparing the two dif approaches.

The point??
Get your sh*t together BEFORE you hit the studio and quit wasting money that could buy that old GoldTop LP or give the money to some desperate people who need it if you're THAT flush.

That's my POV.

oh, i don't think the money spent in the studio kept any of the stones from buying the equip they wanted!

Mick Taylor left the Stones cause they would not ".. progress"but who had the better career, when Ronnie Wood come on board?.. A Muscle Shoals guitarist tried to get on and auditioned for them but they chose Ronnie..

we've been talking about "Sticky Fingers" and Ry Cooder played on that album on a cpl of cuts. they invited him to join the band. Ry had no interest. how interesting might it have been IF he joined them? i'm guessing they either would have gone in a different direction...or he would have split pretty damn quickedly.

Forget basketball.
Tigers haven't had Shiite since Dale Brown left and Shaq went pro.

Tigers???? sheeeeeet. nothing bores me more than baseball! golf maybe. bowling?

damn. baseball barely qualifies as a "team sport"!