General Music Chat

you're making a correlation between AI and VR that I haven't made. Kurzweil is talking about AI and micro-robots so I'm not sure what your point is?

Kurzweil has been wrong on many of his predictions, but I tend to agree that this technology (like all technology) will be used for evil by wicked people. Likewise, fire can be used to cook a delicious meal....or to burn down your neighbors house.

Does that mean we should shun the use of fire?

What is pretend? I don't think you understand yet. You will be experiencing the real world...without actually standing at the place you're visiting. You will be able to interact as if you are there. Hence the word "virtual", but most content will be actual reality.

And it's not tryng to replace the human experience. If anything, it is about enhancing the human experience by creating connection and community of like-minded people all over the world so it doesn't matter if you live in Bumfart or Shanghai. You can be anywhere you want to be. You have become Avatar.

Plus, you aren't "watching" a show, you are a participant in the action; and most VR systems won't have wires, so that's a non-issue.

Games and other developers are creating technology to make your experience as real as life. In the beginning there will be wires and limitations, but don't expect that to last long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yplHQh ... freload=10

Within a decade (likely much faster) you won't go even a day without visiting the matrix for something.

Ted - I know you're convinced about this, but you seem to think that those of us who question VR don't know what we're talking about.
1) How are you a 'participant'? You are participating no more than a gamer is.
2) Sure the band gets feedback from the actual live audience that is there, but not from the host of VRers sitting in their living rooms. If the VRers ha da camera, you could put hta tpicture on a =screen for the band to see, but it's not the same as a live audience.
3) Yeah, the VRer can look around and see/hear the live audience - but he can't share a smile, shout out 'Free Bird' (well, he could, but no one else would hear him), he can't hit on the cute girl dancing near him, can't walk to the bathroom and share a j with the stoners...

Oh sure, in a few years we might 'visit the matrix' on a regular basis - the same way we look stuff up and communicate on the net these days, instead of an LCD screen, we've got a VR headset on.
Would you "go to a restaurant" with VR? Sit down at a table, order your food to be delivered to your living room and pretend to be eating at the restaurant? If so, why?
Would you use VR to jam/play with other musicians around the world? If so, do you use the online jamming aps now? From what I've seen, the latency makes it "unreal" - you're playing along with something that happened seconds ago, then someone else is playing along with what you played seconds later, etc.

I don't deny that for some people, living this 'VR world' would be fine for them. They could sit around their dirty apartment in worn underwear and experience the thrill of "being there". There have been many books and a few movies about this same thing and it paints a pretty bleak desolate life to me.

Ted - I know you're convinced about this, but you seem to think that those of us who question VR don't know what we're talking about.
1) How are you a 'participant'? You are participating no more than a gamer is.

Are you asking about me personally? I'm a participant because I'm co-producing with one of the world's leading VR Producers. Together we are already screening our films in major cities and licensed in S Korea (where the leader in VR capable mobile phones, Samsung, is manufactured and where the fastest internet in the world is). I've seen thousands of people react to VR for the first time, and I keep up with what is being produced worldwide. I'm the project manager of our program so I also keep up with what Wall Street Journal and Forbes are saying about how VR is about to change the business world.

Or are you talking about the person in the Matrix? They are participating in something very real, very literally (unless you're talking about a game)

2) Sure the band gets feedback from the actual live audience that is there, but not from the host of VRers sitting in their living rooms. If the VRers ha da camera, you could put hta tpicture on a =screen for the band to see, but it's not the same as a live audience.

This seems like a silly argument? I regularly play for small crowds between 30 and 300 people where a VR camera can be set up, which could expand my audience up to 7 billion people in the same room if the whole world wants to watch. If I chose to play an empty room with a billion people watching, it's still my choice.

3) Yeah, the VRer can look around and see/hear the live audience - but he can't share a smile, shout out 'Free Bird' (well, he could, but no one else would hear him), he can't hit on the cute girl dancing near him, can't walk to the bathroom and share a j with the stoners...

In the beginning, yes, this is true. But again the lack of imagination is hindering you from seeing that this is only going to exponentially improve into something even farther than the scenario you painted.

Oh sure, in a few years we might 'visit the matrix' on a regular basis - the same way we look stuff up and communicate on the net these days, instead of an LCD screen, we've got a VR headset on.

No, it's much much much more than that.

How was your life influenced by the invention of radio or television? This new platform is that times 50 on steroids.

You simply can't see it.....yet....but you will

Would you "go to a restaurant" with VR? Sit down at a table, order your food to be delivered to your living room and pretend to be eating at the restaurant? If so, why?

that's just silly. Can you taste anything on the food network? Yet how many people are watching it?

However, meals are a social gathering that could work in VR, because you could virtually sit down with your family no matter where they (or you) are located and eat whatever food you have in front of you.

Would you use VR to jam/play with other musicians around the world?

YES! you are starting to approach reality now.

If so, do you use the online jamming aps now? From what I've seen, the latency makes it "unreal" - you're playing along with something that happened seconds ago, then someone else is playing along with what you played seconds later, etc.

I don't use online jamming apps because I don't know the very limited amount of people using them. However, VR will be ubiquitous (everyone everywhere) so I'll be able to jam with my friends in Germany, Poland, and Israel at the same time whenever I want. We could record an album that way pretty easy, actually.

I don't deny that for some people, living this 'VR world' would be fine for them. They could sit around their dirty apartment in worn underwear and experience the thrill of "being there". There have been many books and a few movies about this same thing and it paints a pretty bleak desolate life to me.

Again proving you have no idea what I'm talking about, and are unable to look into the future any further than the view from your own couch.



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I get that same feeling, jookey. Ted can't see the forest for the trees.

Yes, as a musician you can choose to play to an empty room with a VR camera, and it doesn't matter if there are 10 or 10000 watching, you're not getting feedback as a player from the audience. You're playing to an empty room.

It is pretend/virtual/not real life. Sit down to VR dinner with family spread out around the world? They're not going to pass the salt, or be sharing the same dish, and anyone can just flip a switch and "leave" the VR room. That's not real.

I'm still surprised at the lack of imagination in this group. I thought there were artists here, but apparently I'm talking to musicians.

There is no reason for me to be offended at the inability of forward vision displayed in this thread. I'm extremely confident you will all find out how right I am soon enough. When you do finally see the light, you will then remember that I pointed to both the trees and the forests from a long distance.....but you were looking backwards and missed it.

Within the next 5 years (probably half that) you will all be visiting the Matrix every single day of your lives...and the opportunity to have been in front of it will have passed you by. Whatever.

Not sure why I tried.


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How do WE get 'in front of' this? The links you have shared are for cameras a rock band game or 'virtualizers' for games. You keep saying the same thing without anything to disprove what we are saying - its isn't real.

.....you will all be visiting the Matrix every single day of your lives...

https://49.media.tumblr.com/4b929002851393dc4711e90a8a89f684/tumblr_mvdp93YY2C1s39hlao1_500.gif

How do WE get 'in front of' this?

It would take an imagination.

What does VR have to do w/ art?

An artist would know.