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#250755 by Vampier
Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:35 pm
All this dribble merely proves Glens point ... all these attacks have nothing to do with gun laws.
#250758 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:11 pm
RUI Musik wrote:Well it only took you 10 days to come up with that mess of feeble lies. Good job, thanks for the laugh.



If you're talking to me, it took about 20 minutes from the moment I read it. And I notice you've done nothing to refute the FACTS and instead chose to ridicule.

Typical.



Hey did you notice that the Colorado shooter is a member of the UAF Party?

That's a socialist/communist group. A reporter (supposedly) found a couple of sticks taped together on the side of his house and they are desperately trying to paint him as a Christian, proving once again the dishonesty of liberals, since no one has ever seen him in a church or heard him talk about God/religion.

Nope....he's a socialist and most likely an atheist. Totally godless ideology strikes again.

This is not a gun issue! It's a mental health issue and we need to address Big Pharma if we want to see an end to senseless mass murders in America.


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#250767 by MikeTalbot
Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:13 am
You might want to check your facts Jimmyd. That wasn't some right wing anything. Much as those murderous freaks at PP would like it to be.

Shooter is a wacko - lived in a little cabin in the woods with no water or electric. Said he identifies as a woman. Sometimes.

I wonder who he thought he was when he was shooting people?

Talbot
#250787 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:23 am
jookeyman wrote:
yod wrote:It's a mental health issue and we need to address Big Pharma if we want to see an end to senseless mass murders in America.


Please try to explain this one.
What does Big Pharma have to do w/ mass murders?
Documented facts please. No opinions, please. Plain facts.



Really? (it's an honest really?)

I mis-spoke. it's not a mental health issue as much as prescription drug addiction issue that causes severe mental trauma.

I also didn't mean "mass murderers" as much as recent "mass shootings". Two of my kids have both had multiple friends (10 or over) who died, had wrecks, overdosed, did stupid stuff and landed in jail or WORSE...because of Oxycontin or some other prescription drug. It's waaaaay out of control in America. I'm lucky to survived a similar habit (BC), did some crazy stuff that could have landed me in jail for the rest of my life early. I was totally out of my frickin' mind because of the influence of a prescription drug. Got off the drug...no problems since.

But my ex (split 20 years ago) is still addicted, and my brother just died of a drug overdose. Saw somewhere recently that drug addiction was the #1 issue voters in some county of New Hampshire wanted to talk about. Saw a documentary from a doctor who talked about how Big Pharma was pushing so many drugs into America in the 90s until 100,000,000 people were on some kind of anti-depressant or opiate. I know they prescribed Prozac to my ex when that was the last thing she needed. Put her over the edge.

Dude...that's 1/3 of America including children???

It's a real and serious problem in American society today that no one seems to want to address. Are we all hooked on something? Apparently so!

But you really don't know that 70% of Americans take prescription drugs?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-shows ... ion-drugs/


Or that the most common denominator in many (if not most) of the shootings of recent years were done by people with a prescription drug problem?

Or how children are going off because of their many medications?
http://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

You really never even considered those factors might be related to the recent rash of people losing their mind?



:roll: :?:
#250802 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:43 pm
jookeyman wrote:BTW- the people you REALLY need to fear are the psycho/sociopathic personalities. One out of 100 persons is psychopathic. One in 25 is sociopathic. Neither have a conscience. Think about that one. The sociopathic personality is quite prevalent among people in power. That is the root of the problem. People who care don't get anywhere. They become shark bait.


That I agree with, but we're going to have to disagree over Big Pharma's role in over-prescribing America.


As far as ADs go, there is a warning in every box that warns against strange behavior and suicide.


Yes, I see the commercials where they warn, "Side effects may include nausea, headaches, growing a third eye, mass murders, suicide and hiccups"



Do you work for a drug company? You seem a bit defensive about obvious influence of pharma in America, not to mention a bit pollyannish. Found this in .003 nanoseconds of looking...


The Seattle Times reported that USA pharma companies influence doctors’ diagnoses in an effort to improve their bottom lines. The report uncovered the fact that USA pharma companies give money to members of the World Health Organization, U.S. National Institute of Health and some of America’s most prestigious medical societies for these institutions to promote the pharmaceutical manufacturers industry’s agenda.

As a result, today three in four Americans are considered to have at least one disease, but millions of these people are truly not sick, resulting in sales of drugs and over prescribing of drugs, to people who do not need them, but can afford to pay for them.

The Times also found that for a broad spectrum of diseases, the experts writing the treatment guidelines had USA pharma companies ties ranging from research contracts to consultancies to stock ownership. A recent example includes the satin drugs. With a change in the guidelines of what it means to have high blood pressure, it increased the market for statin drugs, which are used to lower cholesterol in adults. It was learned that six of the nine experts on cholesterol who contributed to the new guidelines had financial ties to the USA pharma companies who produce the most commonly used statin drugs.





I've got in-laws with serious mental issues, even schizophrenia, so I have seen drugs be effective in controlling the exterior of a person. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone being "cured" by the drugs though. They are simply drugged into inaction at any level of their existence. These are not the people I'm talking about necessarily, because we can see that they have mental problems easily.

I can't remember the name of the documentary I watched a month ago, but it was several different doctors talking about how they were told the drugs they were prescribing had been tested and were safe....but it ended up being total baloney designed to push these drugs out into the market for their stockholders. These same doctors went on to talk about how they were tricked by Big Pharma into helping them addict 1/3 of the country during the 1990s with bogus information on opioids. Many different kinds of pressures from pharma combined with financial incentives DID influence these doctors.

We all hear advertisements from ambulance chasers (lawyers) suing pharma companies for the damage their drugs did to people fraudulently. I don't believe these was "innocent" mistakes, but rather it is experimentation on unknowing Americans, motivated by greed.

I'd also bet more than half of the children on ADHD drugs just need more attention from the parents, and the drugs are doing permanent damage instead.



Severe mental trauma (I'm assuming you're talking about psychosis) is most likely caused by meth that was cooked up in some guys bathroom, not Big Pharma. The law is not doing their jobs. There is a database that is used to track down prescription drug abusers and they know who they are. Meth, on the other hand, is not regulated but you can spot a tweeker from a mile away if you know what to look for. The law also knows this. They are trained to spot them.

Preaching to the choir, Bro. Kid's stealing pills from the medicine cabinet. Still, I don't see Big Pharma in the picture here.


Though tweakers are a serious problem, its the psychotropic drugs that are causing the largest share of the drug problem in kids. They couldn't get it from the medicine cabinet if they weren't put there very easily in the first place.

But you inadvertently swerved into my point. Why isn't this ever brought into the discussion about mass shootings? Why is the over-prescription of drugs never mentioned as a factor when it has been a common denominator?

It should be easy to see the correlation between the over-drugging of America and a rash of psychos with guns, so we still disagree.
#250809 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:33 pm
jookeyman wrote:Correlation does not imply causation. I learned this when I was a kid in school.



When I was a kid in school, I found two cases of valium that the Pharma company had given to my step-mom, the nurse in a local clinic.

I started out doing a couple per day, then up a few more....

One day I started off with 5 and every few hours I'd take some more. My best guess is that I took about 19 that day and robbed my next door neighbors.

No way that happens without the drugs. Oh yea, there IS a correlation of doing stuff you wouldn't ordinarily do and causation from doing drugs.
#250811 by DainNobody
Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:39 pm
I ate 2 windowpanes but never leaped off a skyscraper?
#250813 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:50 pm
Dayne Nobody IV wrote:I ate 2 windowpanes but never leaped off a skyscraper?


Do they have skyscrapers in Bumfart Missouri? Are you willing to test your theory by going to the top of a skyscraper and having a few more?

I once bought some home-made qualudes before a Bad Company concert. Last thing I remember was climbing over the railing in the balcony to sit on the small piece of metal shielding that's supposed to catch you if you fall over.

Thank God I woke up at home in Beaumont the next day. Don't remember any of it.
#250818 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:30 pm
Not to stir the pot too much... About big pharma and what is becoming gigantic medicine...

Any of you ever walk through old grave yards?... Not for nothing but 200 years ago people regularly lived to be 90 and many 100+. Statistics have been skewed to NOT SHOW that when you got past the child bearing years and early, baby part of childhood, your chances of living a LONG life without amazing, costly medical intervention, were HUGE. ( run on sentence, me bad.)

Since this whole thread has wandered off, I apologize for taking it even further. In my opinion... We are all being poisoned from our food sources. Forget drugs that are being pushed on us by pharma. The FDA told us for years to limit high protein sources such as meat. Now every one is fat.

Just saying...

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