General Music Chat

Madonna, The Ventures, and others will be inducted into the 'Rock and Roll Hall of Fame' on Monday, 3-10-08.
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I was wondering . . . jeeez, The Ventures, Madonna . . . . you may or may not like them, but they've carved their marks in the world of music . . . and only just making it in now . . .
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Heck - everyone has heard of them . . .
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So, what does it take to get into the Hall of Fame, eh?
Do you think you have a shot at it?
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If not - why not? If so - why?

Hey Gang,

The Ventures shoulda been added yrs ago..As far as Madonna ...Maybe the POP HOF....As far as Myself , No, not the RHOF...Maybe Road Musician HOF... The most cities played in 30 yrs.. ...Ive always been about the music first...Where I played or who noticed never really mattered... Morning Sun IA, Hibbing MN , Truth or Consequences NM and 100s' like them are towns Im sure most have never heard of but I made my small mark and have fond memories of the venues and people I knew for a short time...I think the RHOF is a reflection of the respect that we show to those who have stood the test of time and represents more than just their music....That why I cringe at the thought of MADONNA being inducted...I like some of her material actually but the RHOF ...


John

Sure the HoF should include the artists that stand the test of time, I also feel that artists who can change the face of music, or revolutionize it, also deserve to get in. While I never really cared for Madonna, I have to agree that she changed the face of pop music in general, especially for women, whose roles up to that point were mostly limited to soroity good-girls like the go-go's and stuff.

Female artists at that time who were cutting edge were conveniently pushed to the backdrop of the industry; even artists like Joan Jett never got the publicity they deserved. Madonna used slut-magic to change all of that, and good for her!

As far as could *I* someday get in, well sure! While what I've done so far really hasn't been anything spectacular, perhaps I'm just a "McCartney" who hasn't met my "Lennon" yet. Aim high, I say!

I have to agree with Kramerguy about Madonna's influence upon the industry, and I think that in itself makes her worthy of the honor. And trust me, no, I don't have any of her albums, nor do I dress like her (anymore-jk!) On the other hand, The only thing I vaguely remember about the Ventures is that they were basically an instrumental band who had one or two hits before being vaporized from the charts by vocal groups. It may sound cynical, but I don't think they belong there. As for for me, I've probably got a better chance at being a one hit wonder someday (which would not qualify me-in my book, anyway). I guess I can always try for the OHWHOF, (I just know they'll put me right next to Wild Cherry...Damn.)

All of those Halls of something or another remind me of the various TV and Cenima awards. Bunch of Hollywood jerkoffs given themselves a blow. Its all a buch of bullshit. Madonna or what ever her real name is, is absolutly usless in my book. youd come more near deciden who's who by reading these threads.

LOL The hall of fame is a joke.

You can can induct anyone you want, but it's all fluff.

If by some mistake I got in, I wouldn't even show up.

I'd send my little sister or my talking dog. LOL

I'd let you use my toilet wizzin cat if ya want Captain.

LMAO. Just tell him not to flip the crowd the middle paw finger.

The Ventures, and others will be inducted into the 'Rock and Roll Hall of Fame' on Monday, 3-10-08.

The Ventures. An instrumental band, no vocalist. One of the most successful acts of all time, many millions of albums sold worldwide. If I am not mistaken, they are RIGHT NOW, yes RIGHT NOW, the most popular rock and roll band in Japan.

Formed in the 1950's....that's staying power.

They still perform today.


Worth reading...


Taken from Wikipedia:


Legacy

The Ventures enjoyed their greatest popularity and success in the US in the 1960s, but they have continued to perform and record up to the present (2008). With over 110 million albums sold worldwide, the group remains the best selling instrumental rock group of all time. 38 Ventures albums (including a seasonal Christmas album) charted in the US, and six of fourteen chart singles made it into the Top 40, with three making it into the Top 10. Of their 38 chart albums, 34 of them occurred in the 1960s, and The Ventures rank as the 6th best pop album performer for that decade, according to "Joel Whitburn's Top Pop Albums".

Among their achievements in America, in 1963 The Ventures had five LPs in the Billboard Top 100 at the same time. Additionally, they released a series of instructional LPs entitled Play Guitar with The Ventures and Play Electric Bass with The Ventures. Four LPs were released in this series, the first of which reached the Billboard Top 100 Album Chart - an achievement previously unheard of for an instructional LP. In a novelty achievement, The Ventures were the first act to place two different versions of the same song in the Top 10, those being "Walk Don't Run" (#2) and "Walk Don't Run '64" ( #8 ) .

While they predated the advent of the terms surf guitar and surf rock, and they do not consider themselves a surf rock group; they were a major building block of surf music, if not the first to play the style. Guitar Player, in an article titled "20 Essential Rock Albums", cited elements of their 1960 "Walk Don't Run" album which presaged the then-coming surf trend.

The Ventures pioneered the use of special effects on such songs as "2000 Pound Bee", recorded in late 1962, in which guitarist Nokie Edwards employed a fuzz distortion pedal, pre-dating the "King of Fuzz Guitar", Davie Allan (The Arrows), by at least three years. Also, Edwards was among the first to use the twelve string guitar in rock.

The band's cover of "Telstar" in 1962 featured one of the first instances of flanging on a pop record, and their 1964 Ventures In Space album made pioneering use of 'reverse-tracking', a technique used very effectively by the Beatles in the later 1960s.

The band was among the first rock acts able to sell albums based on a style and sound without needing hit singles on the albums. The Ventures are also credited by The All Music Guide To Rock with the early formulation of the concept album.

Encyclopedia Britannica on-line states that The Ventures 'served as a prototype for guitar-based rock groups'.

Over thirty major artists have identified The Ventures as an influence. George Harrison stated in a Guitar Player interview that the Beatles preferred the American guitar sound of The Ventures to British contemporaries. When asked to name the most influential rock guitar solos, Joe Walsh (James Gang and the Eagles) said he'd have to include the entire song "Walk Don't Run" because it changed so many guitar players' lives. Stephen Stills told Ventures guitarist Don Wilson that he learned to play on Ventures records. Jeff Baxter (Steely Dan and the Doobie Brothers) and Gene Simmons (Kiss) were early members of the Ventures Fan Club. Others identifying The Ventures as an influence include Carl Wilson (Beach Boys), Jeff Cook (Alabama), Roger Fisher (Heart), Keith Moon (The Who), Alan White (Yes), and Roger Glover (Deep Purple).

My bad, Craig.

yes its a strange one alright...i can understand madonna...say what you will but she has done more than most females performers could ever wish to do...my older sister loved madonna back in the day and she still loves her just as much now as ever...she has real staying power and is always reinventing herself every few years...she aint the best singer or songwriter that has ever been but she is one of the best all round performers..

and the other band The Ventures...never heard of em ...im afraid i have to plead ignorance

as for if i was asked to be a "hall of famer"(as if)...well why the f uck not..its always nice to win things but these type of affairs like most awards are always rigged..
it is little more than a "im so cool...aint i" party, when all the faces who love or hate you line up to tell you how amazing you are.....
but if asked to it i would respond the same way i do to all invitations..



"will there be guinness"........"yes you say......im there".

I'm with George and the Capt. on this one. The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is just a load of hype! ( and like the Kidd pointed out, the fact that "The Ventures" haven't been in it up to this point is enough to prove it to me)

Howl'..in the H.O.F.?...i don't think so.

Hey Gang,


Yeah , this is the way I thought this post would go...We all have our opinions who should be there and I think that kinda forms our basis to the legitamacy of the organization...If it consisted of only those WE thought should be there, we'd have no problem with it...Most over 40 on here remember OUR roots from which all of this came ..Most under 30 that I know only wanna exist musically to that of which pertains to their genre and could care less about their predacessors.(spelling?) (capt.is gonna get my ass)...
Those inbetween 30-40 , its a toss up...SOOOOO, your gonna get different philosphys across the gen. gap...

When I was 15, I agreed and got along with most 40 yr olds about music..We all listened to basically the same top 40 and album cuts... There was R&R, hard rock,progressive rock, acid rock, blues rock, ballad rock (soft rock), British rock,bubble gum rock etc and we mixed it up across the gen gap and all got along....NOW, hells bells , if ya dont like a certian genre of metal, or play a certain style of guitar or kick dbl bass, YOUR OUT BIOTCH... ...Is it that bad, or Im I just bein cynical...


John

I am am confused as to why i am "going to get your ass" lol

Count me in the "don't care cheering section" which equates to "pass the rotten vegetables over here so I can get a good rotten tomato to throw".

Other than that, you can be right, wrong or otherwise. It's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Hey Gang,


Yeah , this is the way I thought this post would go...We all have our opinions who should be there and I think that kinda forms our basis to the legitamacy of the organization...If it consisted of only those WE thought should be there, we'd have no problem with it...Most over 40 on here remember OUR roots from which all of this came ..Most under 30 that I know only wanna exist musically to that of which pertains to their genre and could care less about their predacessors.(spelling?) (capt.is gonna get my ass)...
Those inbetween 30-40 , its a toss up...SOOOOO, your gonna get different philosphys across the gen. gap...

When I was 15, I agreed and got along with most 40 yr olds about music..We all listened to basically the same top 40 and album cuts... There was R&R, hard rock,progressive rock, acid rock, blues rock, ballad rock (soft rock), British rock,bubble gum rock etc and we mixed it up across the gen gap and all got along....NOW, hells bells , if ya dont like a certian genre of metal, or play a certain style of guitar or kick dbl bass, YOUR OUT BIOTCH... ...Is it that bad, or Im I just bein cynical...


John

I think your post rings true, and kind of speaks volumes about the devisive atmosphere our political leaders and other role models have created. I respect any musician who had any degree of measurable success, in nearly all genres, whether I really like the music or not.

Those I don't respect are the hip-hoppers who's "music" consists of samples of real musicians' music. I know imitation is supposed to be flattery, but stealing riffs is just pathethic. Flatter your icons and make music in their likeness, not steal their tunes!

And the bubblegumpop britney types who are not musicians, but glamorized karaoke singers. I respect them for being 'entertainers', but NOT as musicians.