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Maybe no one was killed because of these lies - but they are clues that he is not competent to be president.

no one's been killed yet because other than the operating table...he's lacked opportunity. put him in office and that might be another story.

Maybe...but you don't know that. He has a track record of helping people and serving others. A leftist media source does a hit story on him possibly exaggerating events in his life story, but they can't actually prove these are lies and have only been able to imply it so far, while changing their own story several times. No, it's more ridicule from the left to impugn the character of a decent person, while giving their own wicked candidates cover.

If they could find anything more serious in his background that could be worse than a "possible" exaggeration, they would have already.


However, we KNOW that Hillary Clinton used her own personal email account to conduct official business rather than a public, archivable .gov account – in direct violation of a 2009 Federal Law. So essentially… Chinese and Russian hackers are probably fully aware of Hillary’s activities as Secretary of State, while we the people are not.

Here are 6 whoppers from her mouth that I don't see you or the media demanding answers for:

1. Chelsea Clinton was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11. Immensely insensitive to those who actually were affected by this horrific attack, Hillary later admitted that Chelsea was actually safely in her Union Square apartment at the time of the attack.

2. She landed under sniper fire in Bosnia. In true Brian Williams-esque form, to listen to Hillary’s account, she was ducking and running in a dramatic M*A*S*H type arrival scene in fear for her life. In actuality, she and Chelsea can be seen on video walking across the Bosnian tarmac… smiling and greeting well wishers. But hey, anybody could misremember deadly sniper fire, right?

3. She was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, one of the first two men to climb Mt. Everest. This one’s just embarrassing. Sir Hillary didn’t actually climb Mt. Everest (AKA, achieve any fame worth naming a child after) until Hillary Clinton was 6 years old. Ouch. So either Hillary’s mom was lying about her namesake Hillary’s entire life, or she waited until Hillary was 6 to name her, or Hillary just, you know, misspoke. Again.

4. Her family was dead broke when they left the White House. They only made $12 MILLION the year after Bill Clinton’s Presidency. I guess when you’re used to living off the taxpayer’s billions funding your vacations, private airfare and security, food, housing, and all, a measly few millions could be a rough adjustment, huh?

5. She claims to have been instrumental in the Northern Ireland peace process. Except those who actually were at the negotiating table say Hillary was nowhere to be seen…

6. Benghazi – it was a disgusting video! The worst of the worst. We know for a fact, based on State Department documents, that not only was Benghazi a terrorist attack, but Hillary knew it was a terrorist attack which had absolutely nothing to do with a YouTube video. Not only did she lie about Benghazi, she failed to act in response to the attack, and 4 American lives were lost in the conflict.

7 Ridiculous Things Ben Carson Believes
BY KIRA LERNER MAY 4, 2015 8:00AM UPDATED: SEP 16, 2015 1:30PM


Here are some of the ideas Carson has embraced during his political career:

1. Anarchy could cancel the 2016 election

Carson warned in an interview in 2014 that if we “continue down this pathway that we are going down,” referring to “this pathway where everything is framed in a political sense and our representatives are not working for the people, they’re working for their party,” then the anarchy could lead to the 2016 election being called off. He claimed that the growing national debt, ISIS and the then-Democrat controlled U.S. senate’s refusal to consider legislation passed by the Republican House of Representatives all pointed toward the idea that the country is headed toward anarchy.
If Carson’s prediction proved to be true, he said, Obama could declare martial law and the 2016 election would not occur.

2. Congress should be able to remove judges for voting for marriage equality

In an interview with a conservative radio host earlier this year, Carson said it was “unconstitutional” that judges have ruled in favor of equality despite statewide ballot initiatives that resulted in different outcomes. Carson said that when federal judges make rulings like this, “our Congress actually has the right to reprimand or remove them.”
Needless to say, Carson’s assertion is incorrect. Congress cannot simply remove a judge for ruling in a way the majority disagrees with. Judges may only be removed for impeachable offenses, which the constitution defines as “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

3. Being gay is a choice because prison turns people gay

Carson now infamously said in a CNN interview in March that homosexuality is a choice, citing people who “go into prison straight – and when they come out, they’re gay” as proof. He later attempted to apologize for the remarks in which he addressed those who were offended, but reinforced his belief that sexual orientation is chosen.
Carson has also called marriage equality a “Marxist plot,” described marriage equality supporters as “enemies of America,” and compared homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality, another statement that led him to similarly “apologize” for his “poorly chosen words.”
There’s no such thing as a war crime

4. Carson also said earlier this year that the U.S. should not hesitate to send troops to defeat the Islamic State and should not fear prosecution for its actions. In the Fox News interview, he said he would “not hesitate to put boots on the ground” and suggested that the military should not be subject to any war crimes law.
“If you’re gonna have rules for war, you should just have a rule that says no war,” he said. “Other than that, we have to win.”

5. Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery

Back in 2013, when Carson was still gaining recognition in the Republican Party, he said in a speech that “Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.”
“And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care,” he added. “It was about control.”
Carson has continued to speak out about Obama’s health care plan, saying this year that it’s “a bunch of crap” that politicians say they can’t unravel the legislation.

6.Obama is depressing the economy to keep people on welfare

After appearing on The View last year and saying that Americans have become dependent on welfare, Carson elaborated on Fox News. “Do you think that people who are on welfare want to be on welfare?” Fox’s Megyn Kelly asked him.
“I think some people have that as a way of life,” Carson responded, later adding that “perhaps some of the things that are going on right now which could be easily remedied are not being remedied in order to keep the economy depressed because there would be no appetite for many of the social programs if people were doing well.”
When pressed by Kelly, Carson wouldn’t name Obama but said there are “some people” taking these actions.
Obama signed immigration reform to bring in government-dependent voters

7. After speaking out about welfare, Carson said in an interview months later that Obama’s executive action on immigration was part of a “nefarious agenda” to bring new voters into the United States who will be dependent on government.
“Is he just trying to instead of get out the vote, bring in the vote?” former Republican Congressman J.D. Hayworth asked Carson.“Is this all designed to have new voters — despite the fact he claims they’re not going to get citizenship — is the long-term goal to bring in a new class of voters dependent on government?”
“Of course it is,” Carson replied. He added that Republicans should respond to Obama’s action by shutting down the government, but only the parts that are “important to the president” and not any parts that will “hurt the American people.”

1. Anarchy could cancel the 2016 election

Carson warned in an interview in 2014 that if we “continue down this pathway that we are going down,” referring to “this pathway where everything is framed in a political sense and our representatives are not working for the people, they’re working for their party,” then the anarchy could lead to the 2016 election being called off. He claimed that the growing national debt, ISIS and the then-Democrat controlled U.S. senate’s refusal to consider legislation passed by the Republican House of Representatives all pointed toward the idea that the country is headed toward anarchy.
If Carson’s prediction proved to be true, he said, Obama could declare martial law and the 2016 election would not occur.

Is there something he said that you can prove is a lie? He's simply pointing out that there are quite a lot of people who no longer trust the government for anything. It's the very reason someone like Trump can get traction, actually.

But since I've also been saying Obama has no intention to leave office peacefully since 4 months before he was elected the first time, I'll just say we'll see about that one soon enough.

2. Congress should be able to remove judges for voting for marriage equality

In an interview with a conservative radio host earlier this year, Carson said it was “unconstitutional” that judges have ruled in favor of equality despite statewide ballot initiatives that resulted in different outcomes. Carson said that when federal judges make rulings like this, “our Congress actually has the right to reprimand or remove them.”
Needless to say, Carson’s assertion is incorrect. Congress cannot simply remove a judge for ruling in a way the majority disagrees with. Judges may only be removed for impeachable offenses, which the constitution defines as “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

Not a lie in that one either. It IS unconstitutional for a tribunal of 5 to create law, and their decision in this case will therefore be fought in the courts and State legislations for the foreseeable future.

He may be mistaken about the process, but again....no lies there.

3. Being gay is a choice because prison turns people gay

Carson now infamously said in a CNN interview in March that homosexuality is a choice, citing people who “go into prison straight – and when they come out, they’re gay” as proof. He later attempted to apologize for the remarks in which he addressed those who were offended, but reinforced his belief that sexual orientation is chosen.
Carson has also called marriage equality a “Marxist plot,” described marriage equality supporters as “enemies of America,” and compared homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality, another statement that led him to similarly “apologize” for his “poorly chosen words.”

Is there a lie in that? All behavior, including sexual, is chosen behavior.

For the entire history of mankind this has been mainstream thought. Now we have a President being funded and founded by the gay lobby that says all people in history were wrong. Even his own tribes in Kenya had planned nude protests when he arrived at the airport to show him that there is a difference between males and females.

http://www.ibtimes.com/obama-kenya-visi ... ed-2021380


Again...you might not like what he said but where is the lie you can prove?

4. Carson also said earlier this year that the U.S. should not hesitate to send troops to defeat the Islamic State and should not fear prosecution for its actions. In the Fox News interview, he said he would “not hesitate to put boots on the ground” and suggested that the military should not be subject to any war crimes law.
“If you’re gonna have rules for war, you should just have a rule that says no war,” he said. “Other than that, we have to win.”

This shows a fortitude we don't see from the current occupant. Was there supposed to be a lie in here somewhere? I can't find one.

5. Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery

Back in 2013, when Carson was still gaining recognition in the Republican Party, he said in a speech that “Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.”
“And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care,” he added. “It was about control.”
Carson has continued to speak out about Obama’s health care plan, saying this year that it’s “a bunch of crap” that politicians say they can’t unravel the legislation.

all I can say about that is

AMEN!

6.Obama is depressing the economy to keep people on welfare

After appearing on The View last year and saying that Americans have become dependent on welfare, Carson elaborated on Fox News. “Do you think that people who are on welfare want to be on welfare?” Fox’s Megyn Kelly asked him.
“I think some people have that as a way of life,” Carson responded, later adding that “perhaps some of the things that are going on right now which could be easily remedied are not being remedied in order to keep the economy depressed because there would be no appetite for many of the social programs if people were doing well.”
When pressed by Kelly, Carson wouldn’t name Obama but said there are “some people” taking these actions.
Obama signed immigration reform to bring in government-dependent voters

Dont know that you can prove Obama's intention, but that IS the result of Leftist policy since the Great Society is a proven failure that the Democrats just double-down on, instead of making any correction of course.

7. After speaking out about welfare, Carson said in an interview months later that Obama’s executive action on immigration was part of a “nefarious agenda” to bring new voters into the United States who will be dependent on government.
“Is he just trying to instead of get out the vote, bring in the vote?” former Republican Congressman J.D. Hayworth asked Carson.“Is this all designed to have new voters — despite the fact he claims they’re not going to get citizenship — is the long-term goal to bring in a new class of voters dependent on government?”
“Of course it is,” Carson replied. He added that Republicans should respond to Obama’s action by shutting down the government, but only the parts that are “important to the president” and not any parts that will “hurt the American people.”

He's absolutely right on.


I couldn't find a single lie in that list, Mark. I have no intention of supporting Ben Carson for President, but the hypocrisy of this racist witch hunt wrapped in religious bigotry is beyond the pale. The GE media can only imply something which they have twisted into a lie, and then ridicule the straw man they've made.

Would you like to try and address the list of whoppers that Hillary made in my previous post?

.....yea, I didn't think so.



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proving lies isn't the point.

if i told you i had sex with three Playboy bunnies every day last week...could you PROVE it was a lie?

point is...the fella's got a lot of ideas that a lot of people consider pretty wack. you embrace them, applaud (and make excuses for) them? more power to you.

so....now, do you want to bring up weird and wacky ideas from libs?

because as much as you guys like to talk about libs doing that....changing up the subject w a bait and switch....wow, you and haley almost always field any attack on a conservative by pointing fingers at the other side to draw comaparisons.

and that's fine....i'm just saying that as often as you guys go there...maybe you should stop trying to lay that off as a tactic of the left.

this thread was about BC and your first line of defense...bring up Hillary to defend Ben's lies! jus' sayin is all.

BTW...the Bunnies say "hi"!

proving lies isn't the point.

if i told you i had sex with three Playboy bunnies every day last week...could you PROVE it was a lie?

point is...the fella's got a lot of ideas that a lot of people consider pretty wack. you embrace them, applaud (and make excuses for) them? more power to you.

No I don't embrace or applaud him, but there are millions of Americans who seem to. They don't deserve the GE media lying about a decent person to destroy him politically because of their own religious bigotry.

I wouldn't even know about any of this if the GE media hadn't tried to lie to me about it. I know better than to trust them, and you're still learning, I hope.

Again....I have no dog in the fight since I'm not supporting Carson for President. But I am pointing out the hypocrisy of GE media going after possible exaggerations (which has yet been proven) when there are sooooooooooooooo many actual and provable lies coming from the Left that are never challenged; though their lies have dire consequences for every citizen in America.

By the way, since you brought it up I decided to look into it and found this:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... y-in-1997/


So it has been provable fact and easily found since 1997, yet you've been told to believe it was a crazy lie....so who is actually lying? Its not Ben Carson.

The media whom you trust is lying, and you are being used as a tool to spread their lies. Will you now double-down on ridiculing a decent man over the lies you're told to believe?



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you're kidding, right? his mother came forward to say it actually happened and that's PROOF that it did????

'cos a mother would never LIE to help her son??? tell ya what...show me a police report or a hospital report, THEN i'll believe it.

until then... you can carry the water of those leading you around.

Awe come on Mark. You're willing to believe Obama was born in the US and just happens to have no biographical history nor records of his grades.

Talbot

i say we bring in our very own BANDMIX Expert on Lying.....

Glenny....what say you on this?

ahhhh, never mind, you're only gonna lie.

Awe come on Mark. You're willing to believe Obama was born in the US and just happens to have no biographical history nor records of his grades.

Talbot

mike, i'm assuming you mean OTHER than his birth certificate?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Awe come on Mark. You're willing to believe Obama was born in the US and just happens to have no biographical history nor records of his grades.

Talbot

mike, i'm assuming you mean OTHER than his birth certificate?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Mark I heard his birth certificate has been doctored to look authentic!

I'm sure you have heard that, jeff!

but as i've said before... you can't believe everything you read on www.wackjobneocon.com.

In January 2015, Carson admitted to plagiarizing parts of his 2012 book, America The Beautiful. Ironically, he wrote in the memoir about getting caught plagiarizing in college and how he didn't know it was wrong because the term didn't exist at that time!

Carson is also a self-proclaimed vegetarian and has been so for decades. But back in May he was invited to Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst's fundraiser, which included a pork roast. He admitted to eating meat on special occasions "to be nice."
The alleged vegetarian also claimed in October to have been involved with an armed robbery at Popeyes — a fast-food fried chicken joint. Aside from wondering about what a non-meat-eater would order at Popeyes, Baltimore police were unable to find any records of the incident.

In his autobiography Gifted Hands, Carson recalls stabbing a friend over a radio tuner dispute. Then a teen, the GOP hopeful claimed he would have killed the guy if the victim's belt buckle didn't block the blade. He also confessed to acting violently towards classmates and even trying to hit his mother with a hammer.
Despite the shockingly specific confessions, CNN was unable to locate any of Carson's alleged victims. All those the network reached out to simply could not remember the incidents Carson had described.

Carson's campaign admitted that he made up a story about receiving a scholarship to attend the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. The GOP hopeful had written in his book Gifted Hands that at 17 he met Gen. William Westmoreland, who offered him the position. West Point had no record of him even applying.

In 1998, Carson shared his strange theory on the Egyptian pyramids while delivering a commencement address at Andrews College. He claims that despite what archeologists say, Biblical character Joseph built the pyramids to serve as granaries — not tombs for the pharaohs.

Most recently, the retired neurosurgeon made some ill-received remarks about Americans' intelligence. "People are not as stupid as [the media] thinks they are," he said in Mother Jones's video. "Many of them are stupid, OK. But I'm talking about overall."

Carson has been sued by former patients for malpractice many times. In some of the most shocking cases, he admitted leaving a sponge in one patient's brain and installing a shunt upside down in another's!

Carson wrote in Gifted Hands that the professor, who taught a class called Perceptions 301, had pulled a hoax on his 150 students by pretending they all had to re-sit a final exam because their papers had “inadvertently burned”.
According to Carson, every student apart from him refused to retake the exam. Once the prank was revealed, he wrote, the professor presented Carson with $10 as a reward for his honesty, and an article about the incident was published in the the Yale Daily News .
According to the Wall Street Journal, no such article appears in the archives of the campus newspaper and Yale has no record of any such class being taught.