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What Do You Think About 360 Deals?

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#24804 by Craig Maxim
Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:07 am
The Major Labels are dying. They have been for awhile. But there are several reasons why they will never disappear completely:

1) Money (They still have it to invest in technology and marketing)

2) Catalogues (They own massive catalogues of music)


In the past, we "needed" them, and that was enough. They could do what they wanted, treat new artists like they wanted. Make their money off the top, while you burned out and were left with nothing. Those days are GONE. The Labels are desperate. They know they screwed up in fighting the digital revolution and now it is too late to recapture that lost ground.

So besides suing customers for thousand of dollars and sometimes tens of thousands, which will make them a little money and send a warning to some, but they surely realize won't make friends or fans of previous customers, they are doing several things...

1) Embracing new technologies (finally) through ringtones and videos on demand, with newer devices coming out that are high bandwidth and can get content almost anywhere.

2) 360 Deals. This is the big one. Basically a "360 deal" or "multiple rights" deal, is the major label realzing they are losing market HUGELY to indies and p2p services, and that what money is left, is in concerts and merchandising, etc... And rather than being the cold hearted business we have all known and loved (cough) they will now be a hands-on artist oriented big brother, paying special attention to the development of their artists.... for a price. That price is what they call "partnering" and critics call "ripping off" artists for a piece of EVERYTHING they generate, whether concert sales, merchandising or anything else. Rather than just making and selling records, they will now sell you as a "brand".

On the positive side, the labels now have a new incentive to work harder for you, and not let your contract just sit in a filing cabinet, because the more money you make, through touring, selling shirts and buttons or whatever, the more money they make.

On the negative side, some critics see this as a last ditched effort, to stay relevant and make real money again, but at the expense of emerging new talent.

To be sure, many artists are going this route. Madonna chose not to re-sign with her label and instead took a 360 deal with "Live Nation" which netted her 120 Million Dollars up front.

Everyone by now, is also familiar with Radiohead's ditching their label, and making news by offering their long awaited album, on a "pay what you think it's worth" initial offering, where consumers paid as little as $1.00 for their entire album or others paying $10.00, $20.00 or even more, depending on their loyalty to the band I suppose. While this is not an example of a 360 deal, it is an example of how marketable and known artists are leaving the majors enmasse, because many established acts don't feel they need them any longer.

Bare Naked Ladies is another band, which, like Radiohead, took their careers back into their own hands. Now, without the huge marketing behind them, and possibly also due to the general decline in record sales, they certainly sold less albums. But they made MORE MONEY. Why? Because with the major label, they received about $2.00 per album for themselves, whereas selling their albums directly to fans through downloading, they now make $6.00 per album. This is a HUGE leap in profit potential, and more and more established artists are recognizing this.

So what do you think about 360 deals?

Good for the Artist?
Good for the Labels?
Good for both?

Learn More About 360 Deals:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/arts/music/11leed.html?_r=1&ex=1352523600&en=97e20288b45eb951&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&oref=slogin

#24829 by Craig Maxim
Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:50 am
Well, I was interested to see what my peers here thought about an important trend and shift in how the majors are handling the business side of artist's careers. There's even a poll to make it simple.

Shame on me for posting something music related.


Ouch, ouch, damn it! Ouch

(self flagellates as penance)


Note to self: Music forums are for politics, religion and...
oh yeah... mustard! But NEVER.... EVER... music!!!

LOL

#24834 by Irminsul
Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:14 am
I appreciate the time you put into this, Craig. But I surmise that most here are concerned with even getting the barest of gigs as a cover band or whatnot, with little concern as to their fortunes with making money off of their own music. Irish Anthony, neanderpual and a few others notwithstanding, I respectfully submit that you are talking over the heads of the crowd.

#24836 by ThomFrazier
Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:15 am
Hey mustard is a very good topic! :evil:

Now for this thread ... mustard may not be a fit.

I read the thread but am not an aspiring professional ($) artist and do not plan to be so I don't have anything to offer except my humble opinion. I am but a man that loves to sing for the sake of the art.

For my opinion, I think it's a good direction to make the recording labels learn from their greed and mistakes. They have saturated the industry with any band that has a halfway good melody and slapped it in a market to strip 'em down and sell all the parts. They thought that this generation worldwide would not get bored and buy it all. So went the Arena sized shows to see two or three great bands now left to see 20 band festivals and now selling tours to bars, House of Blues and Casinos. No more are the days of yesteryear now that we have the internet, cell phones, etc. and P2P sharing available. Too many bands - money being spent - not enough gross profit. So I say if the bands want all the money, then good for them.

Something has to be done to the chaos the music industry is in now. Looks like they are in the same boat as the housing lenders huh? Created their own evils.

anyway that is my short view on it.

**Hides the pickle jar**

#24837 by Craig Maxim
Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:20 am
Irminsul wrote:I appreciate the time you put into this, Craig. But I surmise that most here are concerned with even getting the barest of gigs as a cover band or whatnot, with little concern as to their fortunes with making money off of their own music. Irish Anthony, neanderpual and a few others notwithstanding, I respectfully submit that you are talking over the heads of the crowd.




Yeah, but I still figured it would be of interest and someone would have some opinions on it.

Pass the damn mustard!

#24838 by Craig Maxim
Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:22 am
ThomFrazier wrote:

**Hides the pickle jar**



You're a damn condiment whore!

#24839 by ThomFrazier
Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:23 am
yes sir...I am :mrgreen:

#24840 by Craig Maxim
Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:25 am
ThomFrazier wrote:yes sir...I am :mrgreen:



LOL


And thanks for contributing. Good points!

#24842 by ThomFrazier
Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:31 am
Craig Maxim wrote:
ThomFrazier wrote:yes sir...I am :mrgreen:



LOL


And thanks for contributing. Good points!

Why your welcome, and thank you.

Please pass the doritos.

#24855 by Guitaranatomy
Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:55 pm
*He comes out of no where, dressed like The Terminator.* 8)

This time, I have got you, Frazier! *He pulls out a gun loaded with jalapeno pepper juice.*

I was an excellent and efficient role player at one time. You escaped me on one thread, but not this one!

:P

#24863 by Irish Anthony
Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:54 pm
great topic craig...i brought up the radiohead free download issue in another thread...they have made more money from there new album "in rainbows" than any other album...even the bends..
they did it the right way...they fullfilled they old contract with there old record company and as soon as they finished "hail to the thief" they said there goodbyes and went off and recorded in rainbows...
a fine album i may add...

but its great to see that big labels are dying on there arse and little indy labels are making money for a change...

i dont see there being big labels in the future.....music will be given away free on-line or for next to nothing...the only way music will pay is through touring, promotion and endorsement deals etc....

its time to cut out the middle man(big labels) and buy our music straight from the bands or artists websites...in the future big labels will be redundant.

#24878 by gbheil
Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:34 pm
Yes its over my head like Irminsul states. But it sounds like a f in rip off to me. However (have you noticed how I like that word) If I could play my guitar for a year and make more cash than in ten years of being screwed by the hospital. Rip me off and I'd smile all the way to the bank.

#24884 by Mike Gentry
Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:20 pm
Craig, I haven't even given it that much thought to tell you the truth. I will have to look at it more when the time comes and weigh the pros and cons. You notice I said when the time comes? Right now I'm just having fun and performing. I will be making some major steps in the near future though but not with my own band. But then again I never thought we would be contacted by the promoter for the ShowBox which is the largest club in Seattle to perform. I already have tickets to see Johnny Winter there later this month.

#24899 by gbheil
Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:36 pm
Johnny Winter ? Is he still playin ? I reputidly had a flaky uncle whom used to play bass for that guy.
But you know how those old "family stories" go.

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