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It doesnt matter if you vote Democrat or Republican, the system is set. Thats like voting whether to drink a cup of piss or eat a plate of sh*t. These problems will only be solved when the people stand up in defiance and let government know that we are sick of the bullshit. How about if everyone stopped paying income tax, that would sure send a message.

Man i make a good living for the life style that i chose to live..

Sure the deomocrats want to raise a tax here and there but LOOK at what the republicans have done in the last 8yrs. It is self explaining!!BIG BUSSNESS,OIL,PERSCRIPTION DRUGS,WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT!!!!!!!

IM DONE!!!!see ya;;;

Again, the Democrats and Republicans in office are one in the same, they all want to run your life. It is a false choice.

Craig let me ask you this. Do you think that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy?

Felicity, I know you were asking Craig that question, but I must respond to that, with all due respect.

I think that he was involved, but I do not think he acted alone. That is something I feel is a conspiracy.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Do you think that our government was involved?

Craig let me ask you this. Do you think that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy?

Gerald Posner's book "Case Closed"...

http://www.amazon.com/Case-Closed-Harve ... 0385474466

...may very well be the definitive work, that seems to prove that Oswald killed Kennedy, and did so alone (as far as the actual bullets that struck). I have not read the book, but I saw a documentary based on his evidence, and it is very convincing. I've read other books on the assassination, books on the Kennedy family, a book on Oswald, focusing alot on his life in Russia, etc... It seems to reconcile in my mind.

If you're looking for a conspiracy theory aspect to it though, I do believe this...

That the Mafia may have helped Oswald or encouraged him, and that Ruby killed Oswald to stop the trail there. I don't believe the malarky that Ruby was a patriot and was moved out of patriotism to kill Oswald.

I don't bellieve that for several reasons...

1) A book by Bill Bonanno "Bound By Honor" claims there was a Mafia hit put out on Kennedy (I'm almost certain it was this book I read that in) and that Oswald was used for it. Claiming that for something like this, you get a crazy person to do it.

http://www.amazon.com/Bound-Honor-Mafio ... 0312203888

Why would the Mafia want Kennedy dead?

That leads to...

2) Mafia connections with Joe Kennedy

Joe Kennedy, patriarch of the Kennedy clan, and JFK's father, made his money in Bootlegging during prohibition. This established a long relationship with the Mafia. From other books I have read, reputedly, when he was trying to get his son John into the Congress, he used Mafia help to get votes and rig voting for his son. Supposedly, they were helpful in later political battles as well, the idea being that Joe promised them, that if his son were elected president, he would get Cuba back from Castro.

The Mafia lost millions, maybe billions in today's money, when Castro seized their casinos and turned the island Communist. Before that, it was the playground for the wealthy for Americans, being only 90 miles from our borders.

The Mafia was NOT happy to lose that cash flow. They supposedly helped get Kennedy elected, and were promised their properties back in return.

Not only did JFK NOT help get Cuba back, by providing air support, as he promised the rebels trying to overhtrow Castro, but when he made his brother Bobby the Attorney General, Bobby made the Mafia a pet project, and went after them hand and fist, holding congressional hearings on the Mafia, and instructing FBI director J. Edgar Hoover to break them.

Hoover, had previously denied there even existed such a thing as organized crime, but this is apparently due to the fact, that the Mafia had pictures of Hoover, in gay activities. Hoover apparently was a closet homosexual, and the famous blackmailer (Hoover - Who had files on every president and politician - and likely remained in office so long because of it) was now himself the victim of blackmail. (kinda funny actually - Karma's a bitch!)

So, not only does the Mafia NOT get Cuba back, but the very president they helped get elected, has a brother bringing the gauntlet down on them.

So yes, I do believe they were angry enough, had lost enough, and were threatened with extinction enough, to have plotted the assasination of Kennedy.

According to the Bonanno book, this was the beginning of the end of the glory days for the Mafia. You don't just kill a president and expect nothing will change in your little...umm..."business".

Do you think that our government was involved?

I am not sure... Could be a CIA cover up. I do not trust the CIA of the past, heck, even now they are eerie.

But Craig made some fascinating points, mafia involvement is definitely possible. I heard once that there were Russian ties with Ruby and Oswald to the KGB. I always personally thought that the KGB may have been behind it.

How does the mafia penitrate government secret service though. I am sure you know that his security that was supposed to be running along side the car was called off. How did they accomplish this?

The main reason I asked you this question is because if you are willing to believe that our government was involved with killing the president, than why is it so ridiculous that they were involved in 911.

Because you still have not responded to my points on 911 a few pages ago.

I am sure you know that his security that was supposed to be running along side the car was called off. How did they accomplish this?

Found it on YouTube...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8


Looks f*cked up doesn't it? In checking on this a little bit, I found some statements that Kennedy didn't like SS on the back of his car, but I also found statements to the contrary, that he was a nice, easy to work with, president, where security was concerned. The car was turning a sharp corner, and the agent was in a place to almost get hit or bumped once that happened, maybe that was it? The other agents, climb into the follow car, and the presidential vehicle appears to speed up in one place, so possibly, the order came because he wanted the security in the follow car, when it sped up, cause they couldn't easily run that fast the whole way, and he wanted them all wherever Kennedy was. That doesn't explain though, why they don't jump on the bumper platform, although, the cars are so close together, that could have been a risk as well. Isn't it possible he just wanted the agents in the vehicle in order to stay with the lead car, so that when it slowed again, where there were the most people, and Kennedy was likely to slow down, that they would then jump back out? They're supposed to be protecting him from crowds, not snipers. The protection for snipers, was leaving the roof on. Kennedy felt nothing could stop someone from killing him, so he didn't worry about it.

But hey, I don't doubt that the CIA or powerful political figures, who implement assasinations upon other heads of state, couldn't do it to one of their own, if they felt the reason was important enough. That's why I say that ALL politicians are corrupt when you get high enough up the ladder.

Why then Oswald? Why does Ruby kill Oswald? Why the clear Mafia connection?

Some have speculated that LBJ knew he was about to be dumped as Vice President for the next election (Kennedy's Second Term) and had always wanted to be president, and that is why he could be behind the assasination. This story-line neatly includes greedy oil men in Texas, wanting Kennedy out, so taxes could be lowered on oil.

But wow. How does Oswald and Ruby fit into that?

The main reason I asked you this question is because if you are willing to believe that our government was involved with killing the president, than why is it so ridiculous that they were involved in 911.

Because you still have not responded to my points on 911 a few pages ago.

Oh, sorry. Not intentional.

I think the government and in particular the underground government of the CIA, is capable of just about anything. The evidence is highly against this being the case in 9-11 though. So much loss of life, so high profile, the financial capital of America? They could have manufactured a war on far less. Sinking an American ship, for instance.

Why hit the Pentagon too?

Was Osama given the green light on this? Cause this conspiracy needs to involve a bunch of suicide bombers in cahoots with the government?

It threw our economy into chaos. Was that part of the plan?

On the contrary, the evidence is highly against the official story. I could spend 1000 pages taking it apart.

Why hit such a high profile target and kill so many people you ask. Think about what those images do to a persons brain. This will rob most people of our logic and reason to convince us to do things we normally wouldnt do. It is order out of chaos, they create a problem so the people demand that they do something about it, and then conveniently offer the solution to the problem that is favorable to the establishment. Sinking a ship just wouldnt have the same impact.

Why hit the Pentagon? The question is what hit the Pentagon. Google pictures of the pentagon before the wall collapsed. It is a very small circular hole. The Pntagon just happened to be hit in the area where major renovations were being done, and the were not a lot of people.


I believe that throwing the economy into chaos was part of the plan. There is a transfer of wealth happening right now, and it aint being transferred to us. Look at who had the twin towers built. They used to call the towers David and Nelson after David and Nelson Rockefeller. I'm sure that you are aware of the corruption the Rockefellers are involved in. They along with all of their international banking friends have publicly stated that they want world government. I dont know if you know anything about the Council on Foreign Relations or Trilateral Commission but their goal is nothing short of global government. Look whats happening right now, power is being consolidated like never before, The Asia Pacific Union, The European Union, THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION. This stuff does not happen by accident, The New World Order is alive and well.

I hope some of you guys are using your passion for these subjects in a positive way. Like getting off your ass and voting or getting involved in politics in a way that can make a real difference in the way things are.

Convincing someone on here your position doesnt mean diddly in the real world. It may stoke your ego, but what difference does it make?

Hillary made a little comeback last night, looks like she may be in for the long haul. What does this do for the Democrats chances? Does this allow the Republicans to get stronger while the Dems fight over the nomination. This is reality today, I dont know what digging up conspiracy theorys about Kennedy, banking institutions, 911 matter to anyone on here. You cant do anything about it, its in the past. All you can control is what you do right now and wasting time researching past incidents for some sort of insight just cracks me up. Unless you want to be a historian.

Once again get out and vote, research the candidates and be part of the process. I personally lose all respect for anyone who says I dont vote cause it doesnt matter. It does matter and it is your right as a citizen of this country. If you dont like paying taxes then dont, if you dont like the country move to Mexico and see how you like it. But if you live here and love this country like I do. Get out and vote.

Man I've seen all that bla bla bla about Kennedy. About how Oswald could not have made that shot. Bullshit my 12year old could have made that
shot. The Dems will run both H and O in what combination (who's on top) I'm not sure. But if you want to wrest power out of ignorance and confusion utilizing "minorites" is the way to do it. Its not time yet to dig up the weapons out of the yard, but its time to bury more! the best way to slip America into the back door of a world government it to create economic chaos. The best way to create economic chaos is by raising taxes. Weather you agree with me or not, at least give it some thought.

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