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#24352 by Guitaranatomy
Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:05 pm
Craig, Irminsul, I am a patriot to my country in general terms, but I do not agree with a lot of what we have done/are doing.

This country has done tremendously bad things and yet we find a way to justify it, justify senseless wars that did nothing but cost us money that could be spent on healthcare and lives that could have done good things in this world.

I am proud to be an American, but wearing it as a badge is just stupid. I will not walk around like "America is great and rocks, your country is sh*t." That is just a bunch of bullsh*t. We have many faults and need to fess up to them, instead of contorting history/present day reality like a piece of clay.

America has done wonderful things for this world and at the same time has done close to an equal amount of bad that has been completely brushed over. Look how long it took us to get involved in the Holocaust... Look how long it is taking us to get involved in Darfur... Look how long it took us to help New Orleans (Which still is in trouble). We are strong in arsenal but weak in judgment and character.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#24354 by gbheil
Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:17 pm
GA you are a thoughtfull and intelligent young man. Its hard for me to believe you think our Goverment has anything to do with the fate of fools whom choose to live below sea level. No one cry babied or helped to pay to rebuild Galviston when it was destroyed. And hundreds of lives were lost in that one. The goverment aint yo mama, I dont pay my taxes to protect anyone else from poor decisions. If a tornado blows my home away no one is gonna by me a new one or put me up in a trailer house for three years because I dont want to move on and get a job. If I dont have sense enough to by insurance I should take the loss and move on.
If I dont have any better sense than take out a loan I cant afford, Ishould pay for my mistake not some other guy whose trying to educate his children,by makeing sacrifice like living in a home he can pay for and driving a car he can afford.

#24362 by Guitaranatomy
Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:24 pm
SanShouHeil, *throws some more holy water at him.* Exorcism ain't done yet... :twisted:


Seriously though, I think our country, as the strongest and freest land in the world, has an obligation to keep peace and stop atrocities. No that does not mean invade random Middle Eastern countries in fear, or because we do not like their governments, but it means stopping chaos. If there is a slaughter transpiring across the globe then we need to get involved and put a sense of cessation to it.

That is my opinion, lol.

I think as far as regular people go, yes their lives are usually a result of their own errors. On the contrary, it is not the peoples fault when the government does something wrong, they should not have to pay for it. The Holocaust was a prejudice, evil, atrocity that transpired as a result of a psychotic genius/war monger. Many people died and no one did anything to stop it, America should have been there sooner, they should have put a halt to it immediately.

And before anyone says it, I am going to head this off, someone is going to say Iraq is where America belongs because the people are suffering... We brought the terrorist to Iraq, before us they never attacked there, they were afraid of Saddam (At least that is what I have heard, someone may correct me if I got this wrong). Basically we are cleaning up a mess we caused now, we did not need to attack them, but we did anyway (Hell, fake weapons of mass destruction, why not attack? :roll: ). So those people are suffering even more than they did under Saddam because of us - that was not like Darfur where the problems are not being caused by us.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#24363 by gbheil
Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:37 pm
You may well be right on many counts GA. I recently cared for an elderly gent whom was a Screamin Eagle. He jumped into Normandy, Holland was in the seige of Bastogne etc. He said no one of his association had any idea of what was going on in the concetration camps untill they walked in. Of course that dosent mean no one one the Allied side knew but an interesting perspective from a man that was in hell and came home. Another gent of my association whom shall remain nameless was associated with CIA. He said that what has now become Al Quida was in payroll of Sadam along with others. and the never found WMD's some of which were used against the Kurds now reside in Syria.
Who knows, we will never know the whole truth, and as complicated as it is maybe no one knows it all.

#24364 by Guitaranatomy
Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:43 pm
The truth is hidden in tumbles of cryptic code, that is all I can say.

#24366 by Felicity Chicane
Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:59 pm
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#24367 by Felicity Chicane
Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:01 am
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#24369 by gbheil
Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:47 am
You are free to live any place else you think is better.

#24370 by Guitaranatomy
Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:58 am
Lol. I do not know if there is anywhere else that is better, though Italy is a fascinating place.

#24371 by Needle in a haystack
Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:16 am
sanshouheil wrote:You are free to live any place else you think is better.


""If you want to burn the flag"" THen go somewhere else, and go "f**k YOU'R SELF""!!!!!!Felicity faggit!!! Then you can put some holy water up you'r ass and dousch with it!!!!!!!!

#24379 by Felicity Chicane
Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:53 am
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#24380 by Needle in a haystack
Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:01 am
Ill tell you one time you little sh*t head i have a lil girl as old as you are.

An the day you make as much money as i do then you can tell me what to do with my sheep..Utill then you just keep on jacking you little peter off untill you get old enuf to vote!" THEN YOU CAN BITCH ABOUT AMERICIA!!!!"

#24382 by Felicity Chicane
Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:06 am
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#24383 by Craig Maxim
Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:09 am
Felicity Chicane wrote:
What you mean when we wern't practicing eugenics ourselves, or having our banking institutions financing the Nazis?



Jewish business men and Jewish bankers came and went freely into Nazi Germany while their bretheren were being gassed in "showers".

You might want to have a word with them.

Joseph Stalin was responsible for the murders and deaths, by some estimates, of TENS of MILLIONS of his countrymen. As he himself stated "One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic."

In 1994 the Hutus and Tutsis, two African tribes, went at one another following a Hutu massacre of Tutsis. Before all was said and done, 500,000 Tutsis and thousands of Hutus were dead, many from simple machetes. Some estimates have put the numbers at over 1 million. Whatever the number, it was the largest instance of Genocide in the 1990's.

Since the 1490's when Europeans reached the Western Hemisphere, it is estimated that as many as 100 Million natives were slaughtered in genocide. While it is impossible to know how many deaths may have instead occurred through diseases, rest assured, it is likely, still, the largest instance of Genocide in human history.

I think you should talk to those Italians and Spaniards right away.

Oh yeah, and God save the queen!

#24386 by Needle in a haystack
Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:19 am
Personily i dont give i sh*t about your money:: Im doing fine! If you dont like the way the county is being run then vote democrat! If you and all the rest of the american people cannot see by now the truth about republicans it you and every one eleses problem.. I don't like it either but im not going to stand by and let people run ther mouth about the USA anymore because SS is right you can live here or go to anouther country and see how you and you kid's like it.OR VOTE AND CHANGE IT!!

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