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#238943 by Badstrat
Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:03 pm
GOP Lawmaker: 20-Week Abortion Bill Not Dead, Just Delayed (The Blaze.com)
Jan. 22, 2015 8:29am Pete Kasperowicz


A key anti-abortion Republican said late Wednesday night that GOP leaders have not given up on legislation to ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, and that the bill would be up on the House floor after a short delay.

House Republicans had planned to vote Thursday on the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, a bill that cites studies showing that unborn children are capable of feeling pain after 20 weeks.

GOP leaders pulled the bill from the floor this week, after several Republican women said they should be careful about considering legislation that may not appeal to younger voters. But Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.) said Wednesday night that the legislation is not dead, and will soon be tweaked and brought back up for a vote.

“I would just briefly mention that the pain-capable legislation is only delayed,” Smith said in the House Rules Committee. “It’ll be up on the floor, it’ll be up on the floor soon.”

“That bill, I promise you, will be back on the floor very, very shortly,” he said.

The last-minute decision to pull the bill was something of an embarrassment for Republicans, who were hoping to pass it just as anti-abortion protesters gather in Washington for Thursday’s March for Life. It’s also something of a surprise because the House passed similar legislation in 2013 with a 32-vote margin that saw six Democrats vote for the bill.

Members such as Renee Ellmers (N.C.) warned that the GOP should move more slowly this time around. Roughly 25 Republicans would have had to vote against the bill to kill it in the House, and while it’s not clear there were that many, GOP leadership decided to delay the vote anyway to avoid what may have been a close vote.

Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) sponsored the bill, and said on the House floor Wednesday that it’s needed to stop the more than 18,000 late-term abortions that happen in the United States every year.

“Almost every other major civilized nation on earth protects pain-capable babies at this age, and every credible poll of the American people shows that they are overwhelmingly in favor of protecting them,” he said. “And yet, we have given these little babies less legal protection from unnecessary, painful cruelty than the protection we have given farm animals under the Federal Humane Slaughter Act.”

Franks’ bill would prohibit abortions after 20 weeks except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened. But the bill only lets people use the rape or incest exception if those crimes have been reported to authorities — that’s the language that seemed to be causing concern among some GOP women.

Smith didn’t specify how the bill might be changed, but did say Republicans were “working through a few bits of text.”

“There’s a short delay,” he added when asked by a Democrat what the holdup was. “Just like in your caucus when you have closed conferences, sometimes you want to work out some text, and that’s all we’re doing.”

Smith and others were at the Rules Committee late Wednesday to set up a vote on another abortion bill, a bill from Smith that reaffirms the ban on funding abortions with taxpayer money. The House was expected to debate the rule for this bill and pass it by the middle of the day Thursday. Smith introduced that bill Wednesday, but the bill is familiar to most in the House, as a similar version was passed in the last Congress.


( I believe that all babies should be armed at conception to protect them from bad choices made by their mothers and abortion doctors.) So a vote is more important than a life? It is a small wonder that this society is destined for destruction.
#238960 by schmedidiah
Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:40 pm
We will have this debate ad nauseum, because a radical Supreme Court took it away from the Legislative Branch, where it belonged.
#238963 by MikeTalbot
Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:08 am
Debates over my friend.

I can't image how it went like this. Of course , I'm the dummy that thought the good guys would surely win any war...

Talbot
#238980 by Badstrat
Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:07 am
"We will have this debate ad nauseum, because a radical Supreme Court took it away from the Legislative Branch, where it belonged."

I don't know exactly where you got that idea. It never belonged in the courts. Abortion as well as other matters are a privacy issue that the government has no right to meddle in. Lawyers made it a personal matter just as they took up the banner for queers. Those are all private matters, but then, every area of our lives are controlled by regulations from the toilet paper to how much electricity your refrigerator uses. You washer, your toaster, your electric razor, whatever is found under the sun, the government has its claws into.

A person has only to answer to God about such matters. Lawyers are the scourge of the planet, and when they get into politics they are as worthless as the stink on dog crap. As far as abortion, even most Christians are clueless about these scriptures.

Job 10:11 You clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews. (God clothed me with what and God knitted me together ?)

Jer 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations." (Who formed what?)

Psa 139:13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. (God knitted what where?? )


Psa 119:73 You created me and put me together. Make me wise enough to learn what you have commanded. ( God assembled me? )


Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself, .......................... (The God who formed you where??)

WOW! Who'd a thunk it?

So when it comes to abortion. It is God who decides to create a person regardless under what circumstances he chooses to form the. Abortion: The legalized murder if an innocent person who has not done anything, neither right or wrong, to deserving the death sentence.

And this piece of *&% president sets rapists, murderers. thieves, and the likes free in America to do whatever they wish to it's citizens, while out of the same defiled mouth he tells doctors to leave a baby who was delivered alive alone to die in a room without mercy, because the "Dr" didn't get to murder it before it came out of it's mothers womb.

Some fine country we are living in today.
#238981 by schmedidiah
Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:46 am
Of course, I'm kicking myself in the ass for not saying it's a state's rights issue. I just scrolled past your biblical quotes. Those do Nada for me.
#238984 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:28 pm
I am grateful that all my years I have never been forced into a position of killing another human. Wether full grown or unborn, my values tell me it is wrong. I don't want to get into all the moral understanding of another mans thoughts about this. I'm pro gun... I am not for killing. That's a whole different issue.

However, what has been forgotten here are the circumstances that brought us to an unfair judgement against any ones personal beliefs.

I'm talking about congressman Stupak from Michigans first district. He was opposed to the abortion part of the bill that provided funding from all taxpayers, to pay for abortions. HE WAS THE SWING VOTE. He was invited by our president to discuss this. HE WAS PROMISED BY OBAMA, that providing money for abortions would be removed...

Our president outright LIED. The bill was passed, because of Stupaks vote, and when it was not removed, and Americans would be spending taxpayer dollars to kill the unborn...

Congressman Stupak basically resigned and didn't run in 2011.

Now ask yourselves... This a very complicated issue... But do you want top leaders outright LYING?
#238985 by schmedidiah
Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:48 pm
He sounds like he represents the most powerful voting block in the nation. The "Squishy Middle". They're only about 5% - 13%, just a guesstimate, but they run this place. The next 20 months will be all about wining and dining these idiots, Heck! Even promise them a pony! :roll:
Ask yourself what kind of person is so out of touch with reality, that they could vote for Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama? How could a person be so out of it, yet actually go to the polling place and vote. Based on what? Necktie? Smile? They like his wife? :?
#239144 by wayne552666
Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:47 pm
In one major respect, the most powerful individual in US history has been the Abortion Clinic Doctor.

The Supreme Court, then the Democratic Party Candidates and Initiatives ASSIGNED power by vote to the Abortion Clinic Doctors to destroy a fetus at the consent of the father and mother, against the child's best interest and will. 56 million times and counting since 1973... this is a silent massive holocaust. Such an action damages the consciences of 112 million or more.

Can you all begin to see the impact?

I'm sick and tired of hearing the whole decision rests on the conscience of the mother. When men (fathers) step up and hold responsibility for intentionally pursuing an intimate relationship in which their seed conceives their child, the Nation they live in will come to greatness again. Let fatherhood return to full honorable strength, and I mean NOW!

If God gives them a child, don't deny it's existence and destroy it.
It is always a precious gift.
Thank you for letting me speak.
#239151 by MikeTalbot
Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:28 pm
Exactly. I weary of hearing about a woman's body is her business - yep - until there is another body in there. Then it should be the business of the law. It's called murder.

Talbot

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