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#23693 by Guitaranatomy
Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:54 pm
Craig Maxim wrote:
Guitaranatomy wrote:
I think I have seen The Ten Commandments ten times...



That's a GREAT movie, and Charlton Heston is great in it.

Only problem is, that now when I see him raise the staff, instead of hearing the actual lines of the movie, I seem to hear him saying "They'll get my gun when they pry it out of my cold dead hands!"

He said that at a National Rifle Association speech. :-)

Well, actually sometimes I also hear...

"Soylent green is PEOPLE!!! It's PEOPLE!!!!!"

Some here, will get that reference. LOL :-)



LMAO!!!! I have heard he is a biggot as well... Now that does not fit, that is just like really backwards... A biggot playing Moses, a Hebrew... Lmao, that really is screwed up if that is the case.

I also agree, people are probably logging on here like "Wasn't this only 15 pages yesterday..." Lmao!

JW, I think Craig is right, it is a conspiracy! You are distracting us from practicing so you can have all of the glory, that is why you made this thread!

Although, I did get some practice in last night. I learned a lot of Seek and Destroy by Metallica.


Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#23695 by Irish Anthony
Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:26 pm
well well well....ive been away for a few days and look what happens..
just for the record i was told about 20 pages ago of this tread to stop with the politics and this was a "music" website etc....and that we dont need to talk about politics etc etc.... and look this has been the most productive treads ive seen...talk about lets gang up on the outsider

well here as a non american is my stance on drugs....ive been to amsterdam in holland(a few times)...it is one of the most laid back cool places you could ever visit...soft drugs(pot and hash) and prostitution are legal...no big deal..its regulated and taxed by the state..top quality soft drugs the likes ive never seen before bought in a designated "coffee shop" just an option to smoke or not to smoke...and the funny thing is i didnt see one person smoking hash in public why would you if you can hang in the coffee shop and get blitzed with your friends in a safe comforable place....it goes to show that it works...if your an adult you should be allowed to do what ever you want..even if its bad for you...but again that is how we do things in europe..we dont have the "nanny state" or "big brother is watching" type of sh*t that ive seen in the states..

i have said some of the same things Felicity Chicane and nofaith have said but i was shot down as "american bashing" but i want to set the record straight
i love my wife(american) i live here,ive lots of friends here,its beautiful where i live....etc....i dont have a problem with the american people of the country just the gangsters who are running the country...i hate the government and thats it...so dont gang up on me again for sayin something that at least some americans feel the same way about.

slain.

#23700 by Guitaranatomy
Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:53 pm
If you do not like it here go back to Ireland!!! Lmao. Neh, I am just kidding with you man. You have every right to say what you believe, just as much as we do.

I may not agree with those philosophies, or any of the other ones on here, but we all have a right to express our views.

You are not "American bashing" in my eyes, and even if you did I probably would not jump on you about it, everyone hates Americans these days... Didn't you hear? It is the new fad!

Anyhow, yes, you are right, I was one of those people against the politics on the board. Lol. I think I prefer that if it is on the board it is in a controlled thread, like this one. It is not everywhere, you know? So yeah, lol.

Anyhow, I.A., what is your take on the Iran issue? What should we do in your opinion? You lived in a country that had a lot of problems, some similar to Iran, what do you think?

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#23704 by Irish Anthony
Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:08 pm
well here is my view on iran(and ive said it before)..let me break it down I.A style
leave iran well alone....thats my view...think about it..you can only poke a dog with a stick so many times before he is going to bite the balls off you...if you dont poke the dog with a stick you have a much less chance of getting your balls bitten off....because lets be honest nobody likes to be poked and even less want there balls ripped off.....

i knew i should have gone into politics :wink:

#23706 by Guitaranatomy
Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:11 pm
^Lmao!

#23719 by gbheil
Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:16 pm
Hey man welcome back Anthony: As I said earlier I too believe we should handsoff the Iranian people and see if they can free themselves.
However (one of my favorite words) Here in Texas we kill dogs that bite.

#23721 by Guitaranatomy
Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:37 pm
^Kill them huh... That is one way to end that matter, lmao. "You want to bite, fine, death time dog!" :twisted:

Neh, just kidding around. :lol:

#23725 by Irminsul
Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:40 pm
Craig Maxim wrote:Granted, but I think the jury is out on whether drunk driving laws really curtail drunk driving. For example, if it is shown that fatalities decreased over the last 15 years, it is possible that it is due to stiffer drunk driving laws, but it is also possible that it is due to awareness of the issue and a resultant change in behavior, or even due to better safety equiptment on vehicles, like mandatory airbags. And even though, I expected you to bring this up in rebuttle, I thought you may not, because this also backfires on you, because of DUI checkpoints, a clear invasion of privacy, which you claim to be against.



Nice strawman, but she no function. All rights have some parameters, as was in the design of the system. I can see a reason for DUI checkpoints because I do not want to be creamed by a drunk driver on the road. I can see no reason to be tapping my phone, looking at my books I check out etc. due to some paranoid regimes attempt to scare us into compliance.


Craig Maxim wrote:First of all, you didn't do what I asked, which was to post some evidence that it has been misused and that affairs and small time drug dealers have been affected by such practices. Quotes are nice, but facts speak louder.



There is more information available on this than could ever be contained by this forum, so I'll start you off with some:

"Myth: "Under the Patriot Act, I'm very confident in saying there have been no abuses found."

Reality - According to reports, the Patriot Act has been used to:

Secretly search the home of Brandon Mayfield, a Muslim attorney whom the government wrongly suspected, accused and detained as a perpetrator of the recent train bombing in Madrid.

Charge, detain, and prosecute a Muslim student in Idaho, Sami al-Hussayen, for providing "material support" to terrorists because he posted to an Internet website links to objectionable materials, even though such links were available on the websites of a major news outlet and of the government's own expert witness in the case.

Serve a National Security Letter (NSL) on an Internet Service Provider (ISP) so coercive under the provisions of the NSL statue that a federal court struck down the entire statute - as vastly expanded by the Patriot Act - used to obtain information about e-mail activity and web surfing for intelligence investigations.

Gag that ISP from disclosing this abuse to the public, and gag the ACLU itself, which represents the ISP, from disclosing this abuse to the public when ACLU became aware of it, and from disclosing important circumstances relating to this abuse and other possible abuses of the gag, even to this very day.

Investigate and prosecute crimes that are not terrorism offenses, even though it cited terrorism prevention as the reason Congress should enact the law, and cites terrorism prevention as the reason why it cannot be changed."

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17 ... 50404.html

(and please don't cry to me about the source. Flinging boogers at the ACLU doesn't wash anymore.)


Craig Maxim wrote:Secondly, my morality doesn't float at all. I don't , in normal circumstances believe in killing other human beings, but I would to defend my family's safety. I am so horrified on a personal level at the idea of taking another's life, that I am often glad I have never been in war and been forced to make that choice. But I KNOW I would make it, if my family's or my neighbor's life depended on it, or if the soldier's life next to me did. So, in a perfect world, it would be nice if things were able to be absolutes, but we don't live in a perfect world. I am personally opposed to killing, but I accept that one day, I may be forced into a situation where it is required. That is not a floating morality. It is morality tempered by logic and evolving circumstances. We are sometimes faced with circumstances where neither choice is ideal, but the better of the two must be determined, exercised and lived with.


Very heroic, but none of that actually speaks to current reality. That's the problem with Bush-kunde. It is based on fear and supported by mythology they regularly feed out to a frightened public.

Craig Maxim wrote:Well God does help me, quite a bit actually. And no, I will not surender my liberty, whether all at once or in baby steps, but lifeless computer software monitoring buzz words on telephone calls and emails, does not begin to approach that scenario.



I'm sure that's what the good German citizens thought when they saw a few of their mails opened in the early days of the Reich. What is German for "camel's nose under the tent"?


Craig Maxim wrote:When every American's home is at threat of being wiretapped and outfitted with video cameras, let's talk.


Then we'll talk now, because the way things stand the government can now define ANYONE as a possible terrorist threat and therefore bring down the weight of the PA on their heads with fury.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... Act_abuses

Craig Maxim wrote:When and if you can prove that this safety measure is found to be abused, then you and I would be in agreement. Until then, I think you have to concede my point, or also tell me that bomb sniffing dogs, and metal detectors and x-ray machines are also wrong. Otherwise, you must admit that in the interest of public safety, certain so-called invasions into our privacy in a limited manner, are warranted and acceptable. As is the case in airports and the postal service.



Craig the problem with "prove it to me" is that that is often accompanied with a predisposed intention to stick to one's original belief, dismissing whatever proof is offered or cherry picking that which supports one's arguments. I have provided you with plenty of material to comb over. It is just the tip of the iceberg, too.

It's frightening to me how many seemingly thoughtful people are falling for the Bush Fear Koolaid. Just...frightening.

#23727 by Irminsul
Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:41 pm
Felicity Chicane wrote:I like how you said "Gods" plural.


That's because I'm a Pagan. I have so many Gods now that I have to keep a rolodex on my altar.

#23740 by Starfish Scott
Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:53 pm
LOL Here, have a mushroom cap. You all sound like you been eating a plenty!

#23754 by Felicity Chicane
Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:39 am
Guitaranatomy wrote:Lmao! Nuke it, that is easy.

Yeah, I know, I know, it is a rough subject. I am not sure what we should do, that is why I asked. I would prefer no more wars, but who knows what they are going to do, they are really crazy over there.

SanshouHeil, yeah, I see what you mean. 19 or 40, sometimes it does not make any difference.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.


They are really crazy over there is right, but lets examine America's foriegn policy as well. But f**k it, lets just bring "freedom" through out the world, or just nuke everybody, that will solve everything right

#23755 by Felicity Chicane
Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:41 am
Irminsul wrote:
Felicity Chicane wrote:I like how you said "Gods" plural.


That's because I'm a Pagan. I have so many Gods now that I have to keep a rolodex on my altar.


I have read into the Pagan beliefs, Christianity is based on Pagan beliefs. I had a hunch thats what you were refering to by "Gods"

#23760 by Craig Maxim
Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:58 am
Felicity Chicane wrote:

I have read into the Pagan beliefs, Christianity is based on Pagan beliefs.



Oh God... Here goes another 50 pages.


Christianity is NOT based on Pagan beliefs.

First of all my friend...


Paganism is polytheistic, meaning belief in more than one God. Christianity is monotheistic, meaning belief in one God. Save us the "you believe in 3 Gods" rap. No, we don't. ALL reference sources call Christianity monothestic. We call ourselves monothestic. It is fact.


Secondly...


The term "Pagan" is a pejorative (meaning an insult). Not only is it an insult, but it is an insult that CHRISTIANS made up. So don't go claiming that we "are", what we have insulted. K? And yes, pagans happily call themselves, the insult we applied to them. It is identical to black people calling themselves the "N" word, though it is a pejorative made up by white people. So yes, Irminsul is basically calling himself the "P" word, like brothers in the ghetto use the "N" word. Pretty self-deprecating of him, isn't it? LOL ;-)


Now, just for clarity...


Christianity is based on Judaism. Maybe I should say "rooted" in Judaism, because, of course, it is based on Jesus. It is an Abrahamic tradition. Just as Judaism and Islam are. We all three trace our heritage, religiously speaking, back to Abraham. Abraham is the "father" of all three faiths. Interesting huh? And Muslims worship on Friday, Jews on Saturday and Christians on Sunday. Convenient isn't it? Just think, if you somehow believed in all three, you wouldn't have to miss church, the synagogue or the mosque either! LOL :-)


If you want to say that "Christianity INCORPORATES Pagan beliefs" you will have some room for reasonable debate." That issue has merit. But BASED on Pagan beliefs? No sir.
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#23764 by Craig Maxim
Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:23 am
irish anthony wrote:

well here as a non american is my stance on drugs....ive been to amsterdam in holland(a few times)...it is one of the most laid back cool places you could ever visit...



I love it in Amsterdam. It's one of the few places I've wanted to live in, outside the states. And no, it's not because pot is decriminalized there. It's the people and atmosphere. People from all over Europe there, and the world really. Yes, we have that in America too, in big cities. But this is Europe. Totally different vibe, not found here. I enjoyed my stay there VERY much. The people were cool, easy to strike up a conversation, make friends, etc... Great place and beautiful too! Never seen so many bikes in one place at one time, in my life! LOL

#23768 by Guitaranatomy
Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:08 pm
Felicity, I agree, we should just start blowing everyone up, and restore world order. *Rolls eyes* This country is a war monger, lol. I am not sure what to do with Iran personally, the only thing that concerns me with them is Israel, I worry about Israel, I do not want them in the midst of a nuclear war over there.



Craig, lmao. I like those replies, yeah you are right, all of the religions are grounded from Abraham, and all have traces back to those times. By the way... Just for the record man... Us Jews worship at sundown on Friday till sundown Saturday. So technically, it is Friday and Saturday. But I like your joke about just being all three religions, lmao. Yeah, that would be funny, you would have no more weekend, it would be a giant worship fest, lol.

Yeah, Paganism, I do not know much about it (By the way, nice vocabulary, that is what is great about this board, you learn a lot of words). I do not find Paganism evil like everyone else does, I think there may be a certain sect though that loves witchery (I will wait for Irminsul to explain this part, because I could easily be wrong on that).

All I know, and correct me if I am wrong, is that they tried to wipe out the Pagan's during Constantine's rule, or maybe it was someone else, but the church did not like them, and deemed them evil.

If I am innaccurate on any of that, please feel free to correct me.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

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