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#23594 by Guitaranatomy
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:01 am
Lmao. Alright, I understand then. I just got to make sure of that stuff, man. You can see I do my research. I do not like having the wool pulled over my eyes, so to speak.

That kind of stuff drives me nuts. But alright, welcome to BandMix then, No Faith.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#23595 by Craig Maxim
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:02 am
Felicity Chicane wrote:If they made drugs legal tomorrow would you start shooting heroin? Probably not, the fact that drugs are illegal makes no difference, people are going to do drugs whether it's legal or not.



Oddly enough, it is actually MORE likely that people do drugs when they are illegal. I know that seems amazing, but it is factual. And not just drugs, but alcohol, you name it.

My ex-wife was adopted, and as such, I learned alot about adoption laws and just about everything else involved in it. In this country, records are sealed, so that the birth paents have total privacy if desired, and it takes a little work to investigate and find out who your birth mother is. But in some countries, those records are freely available, at any time. Guess what? Amazingly, the statistics are that in those countries, where the information is readily available, the children of adoptive parents, look for their birth parents MUCH less. Here, where there are barriers to doing so, the adopted children seek out their birth parents far more.

What about prohibition?

Meant to save us from the evils of alcohol consumption. The statistical fact, is that alcohol consumption INCREASED much more during prohibition. Not just that, but it FLUNG open the doors to police corruption and organized crime. Why? Because cops, that may have been otherwise honest, had no problem taking money to be quiet about speak-easy's because, NOT MANY Americans really agreed with prohibition anyway. They felt guilted into passing that law, that they were unchristian or immoral if they did not support it. But they didn't agree with it in reality, so that there developed an underground culture of speak-easy's and making alcohol at home, etc... In trying to "appear" more moral to the Carrie Nation's of the world, they just turned themselves into criminals. Organized crime made a FORTUNE in bringing the now illegal alcohol into cities all over the country. This opened the the door to more of a relationship between cops, lawmakers and organized crime, than EVER before.

So prohibiting alcolol, not only INCREASED alcohol consumption, rather than lower it, but it brought MUCH MORE corruption into government and society as a whole, as a result.

Similarly, there are countries where most drugs are LEGAL and the statistical fact is, that drug consumption is LOWER in those countries than it is here, where it is illegal.

It is human nature to want what you can't have. To try things that are taboo, because they seem more eniticing when they are. Curiosity killed the cat, and all that.

This is not opinion. These are simple, documentable and easily researched FACTS.

Trying to legislate personal morality, where drugs and sex are concerned, NEVER work. They INCREASE desire for these things, rather than impede them.

#23596 by nofaith
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:04 am
I like people that do their research and that do not like the wool pulled over their eyes. You should spend some time on the website: www.strike-the-root.com

A visit a day keeps the sheep away...and the wool (-;



Guitaranatomy wrote:Lmao. Alright, I understand then. I just got to make sure of that stuff, man. You can see I do my research. I do not like having the wool pulled over my eyes, so to speak.

That kind of stuff drives me nuts. But alright, welcome to BandMix then, No Faith.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#23597 by Guitaranatomy
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:05 am
Fascinating faqs, Craig. I still do not think they should be legalized, let us not start adopting totally new policies like that into this country, that could send things really out of order. It needs to stay illegal, it is better off that way.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#23598 by Guitaranatomy
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:06 am
nofaith wrote:I like people that do their research and that do not like the wool pulled over their eyes. You should spend some time on the website: www.strike-the-root.com

A visit a day keeps the sheep away...and the wool (-;



Lmao. I will take a look at the site a little later. I am a big conspiracy theorist, so it probably will be fascinating for me to read that stuff.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#23599 by nofaith
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:06 am
Correct! Amsterdam is a great example.


Craig Maxim wrote:
Felicity Chicane wrote:If they made drugs legal tomorrow would you start shooting heroin? Probably not, the fact that drugs are illegal makes no difference, people are going to do drugs whether it's legal or not.



Oddly enough, it is actually MORE likely that people do drugs when they are illegal. I know that seems amazing, but it is factual. And not just drugs, but alcohol, you name it.

My ex-wife was adopted, and as such, I learned alot about adoption laws and just about everything else involved in it. In this country, records are sealed, so that the birth paents have total privacy if desired, and it takes a little work to investigate and find out who your birth mother is. But in some countries, those records are freely available, at any time. Guess what? Amazingly, the statistics are that in those countries, where the information is readily available, the children of adoptive parents, look for their birth parents MUCH less. Here, where there are barriers to doing so, the adopted children seek out their birth parents far more.

What about prohibition?

Meant to save us from the evils of alcohol consumption. The statistical fact, is that alcohol consumption INCREASED much more during prohibition. Not just that, but it FLUNG open the doors to police corruption and organized crime. Why? Because cops, that may have been otherwise honest, had no problem taking money to be quiet about speak-easy's because, NOT MANY Americans really agreed with prohibition anyway. They felt guilted into passing that law, that they were unchristian or immoral if they did not support it. But they didn't agree with it in reality, so that there developed an underground culture of speak-easy's and making alcohol at home, etc... In trying to "appear" more moral to the Carrie Nation's of the world, they just turned themselves into criminals. Organized crime made a FORTUNE in bringing the now illegal alcohol into cities all over the country. This opened the the door to more of a relationship between cops, lawmakers and organized crime, than EVER before.

So prohibiting alcolol, not only INCREASED alcohol consumption, rather than lower it, but it brought MUCH MORE corruption into government and society as a whole, as a result.

Similarly, there are countries where most drugs are LEGAL and the statistical fact is, that drug consumption is LOWER in those countries than it is here, where it is illegal.

It is human nature to want what you can't have. To try things that are taboo, because they seem more eniticing when they are. Curiosity killed the cat, and all that.

This is not opinion. These are simple, documentable and easily researched FACTS.

Trying to legislate personal morality, where drugs and sex are concerned, NEVER work. They INCREASE desire for these things, rather than impede them.

#23600 by Felicity Chicane
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:06 am
Guitaranatomy wrote:Fascinating faqs, Craig. I still do not think they should be legalized, let us not start adopting totally new policies like that into this country, that could send things really out of order. It needs to stay illegal, it is better off that way.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.


Totally new? You do realize that drugs were not always illegal in this country right?

#23601 by nofaith
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:07 am
Wow, right when I was starting to think you might get it, you post this sheep dribble.....


Guitaranatomy wrote:Fascinating faqs, Craig. I still do not think they should be legalized, let us not start adopting totally new policies like that into this country, that could send things really out of order. It needs to stay illegal, it is better off that way.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#23602 by Guitaranatomy
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:08 am
Nope, I did not realize that... Actually, I never really thought about it. If you care to, please enlighten me on that history, Felicity.

#23603 by Felicity Chicane
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:10 am
I believe it was called the Pure Drug Act" or something in the early 1900's

#23604 by nofaith
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:11 am
Glad you asked, but let me, since I have already written about these things:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/wasdin/wasdin15.html

http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/wasdin/wasdin1.html


Guitaranatomy wrote:Nope, I did not realize that... Actually, I never really thought about it. If you care to, please enlighten me on that history, Felicity.

#23605 by Guitaranatomy
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:11 am
I would have to research that. But anyhow, I just do not think the country needs a change like that, it could really set things off Richter.


EDIT: I will read those articles, No Faith.

#23607 by Irminsul
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:12 am
Felicity Chicane wrote:
Totally new? You do realize that drugs were not always illegal in this country right?


Depends on which drug you mean. Pot and it's cousin, hemp, used to be not only legal but a cash crop encouraged by the founders.

I don't believe heroin has ever been legal in this nation.

#23609 by Felicity Chicane
Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:16 am
Wasnt heroin created after the drug laws were in effect though?

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