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Dayne that's exactly what I'm not liking about it. These kids will get to stay here no telling how long on our dime, no telling how many people are being placed at serious health risk as a result, and the layout of what Obama wants to do with almost $4 billion includes almost nothing to secure the border.

Meanwhile he's attending fundraisers, playing pool and eating BBQ, all including plenty photo ops of course, (after saying he's not interested in photo ops) but can't go down there and see the mess he made for himself.

I agree with you completely, send the National Guard to the border, shoulder to shoulder from Brownsville to the Pacific coast if necessary, and STOP all illegal immigration in its tracks.

I would also -

Stop all tourist traffic into Mexico, too dangerous for Americans anyway. Reinstate it when things are secured. Watch them pay attention when the tourist dollars dry up.

Stop all foreign aid to all countries sending kids here or assisting in it. Watch them pay attention when that money too dries up.

Stop all LEGAL immigration temporarily until things are secured. Drastic, but worth considering.

Demand the countries sending their children here come get them and take them back. You sent them, you come get them back. Or pay us to do it.

I heard on the news something about a fence being authorized and money appropriated a few of years ago, (need to check into that) what happened to the fence and money? Find out and get it built.

OK looked it up, the Secure Fence Act of 2006. http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives. ... 026-1.html

So far it hasn't been finished, and only vehicle fencing has been used in some places. Fencing would be difficult at best in some of the more mountainous regions, but this is a decent start. This page seems to be a bit old, but the best article about it I can find so far.

http://www.cairco.org/issues/border-sec ... er-fencing

First thing to do though is secure that border. This crisis gets worse by the day, hundreds more coming every day and it's increasing. Nothing will help until that stops. Throwing more money at it won't help a thing, all I see Obama doing so far is making it possible for them to stay.

Geeze I know you guys are upset about it, but you know they are people as well as all of us here.

Is it too late to assimilate Mexico and make it another state? Or can't we just work something out in conjunction with them?
I believe in humans in general and the USA was made in the days of the good, old melting pot.
NO one cultural group has any real claim to the fact that they were here first. (We stole it from the Indians.)
Isn't our diversity part of what makes us part of the solution instead of the problem>?

I know there are a lot of problems, but "how can you turn away a child"?
They are shooting them in Honduras, or burying them alive.
Humans are animals yes, but don't treat them as such.

I suffer all the time. It's what reminds me that I am alive.
I don't think anything good is accomplished by promoting more human (or animal) suffering.

Do we really want to close our borders to those that really need to be here ?

Imagine if YOU were the one fleeing from tyranny? It's always different when the shoe is on the other foot.

I don't know if letting them in is the correct way to deal with it, but I'll be damned if I want to be responsible for the death of another child and what gender or race they are means absolutely zero to me.

"One world", you dig? Maybe someday you will actually understand what that means.
My money says that some of you NEVER will get that concept AT ALL.

I understand what you're saying, but where the rubber meets the road, this is a completely different situation than what you're talking about. For an analogous situation to the idea of the United States sharing such a long border with the hell-hole that is Mexico and Central America, you need too move Nigeria right next to Germany. It's that much of a drastic difference in economic opportunities and outcomes. These folks need a revolution. Yesterday! That's the only thing close to a solution here. Have you seen the ruling class down there? White people, with aristocratic European names. And we're called the "racists" in this situation?!!! It's all a game. And we lose!

I'm part of a church that does a lot of work in South America and what you see on the border is daily reality from our southern border all the way to Antarctica. Parents are usually so poor that they can't feed themselves, much less their kids, so they abandon their very small children who have to fend for themselves among more abandoned kids. It's a disturbing and sad reality in EVERY country of south and central America.

Literally, thousand upon thousand of homeless kids in every single major city roaming the streets to find a place to sleep at night without being raped or robbed or worse...

It seems to me that the answer to our current situation is a "Marshall Plan" that turns S America into an economic power, and helps them create some hope for the future so families can stay together.

In the meantime, maybe we should carve out a few counties of Texas, New Mexico, California and Arizona as a place of refuge where this can at least be contained and each person's situation examined individually. Maybe even form a new state for them in the deserts that no one is using at the moment.....like we forced native americans to do.


Sad.

Finally it looks like Texas Governor Rick Perry is going to send in the National Guard since Obama seems to be too busy attending find raisers and playing golf... As usual...If what I heard is right it's now around 60,000, drug cartel across the border shooting at border patrol (with a 50 cal no less) and not even a hint of anything like actually enforcing the existing laws from the govt. And Harry Reid says the border is secure... Not sure what rock he's been living under...

And when you look at the bigger picture it's looking really scary. Just here in the US we have the IRS being investigated for targeting political groups, VA investigated for corruption, Benghazi still a big question mark, Bergdahl back on active duty and probably won't ever be court martialed, members of one of the world's most brutal gangs coming across our border, Obama not even pretending to do his job any more and I'm sure that's just the surface.

Then we have Russia and Ukraine still fighting, commercial airliner shot down probably by the "separatists" causing trouble in Ukraine, Israel being attacked by Hamas, Africa in an uproar due to yet another terrorist group, and I'm not really aware of all the other wars and uprisings elsewhere, most of it is not being reported much.

It's not looking good anywhere..

Scott - I understand what you're saying, but the fact is we can't even take care of our own kids, much less the 60,000 more already here and probably around 150,000 next year, ILLEGALLY. Yes I believe in helping where I/we can, and I do realize this country has always been a melting pot. And yes we did steal it from the Native Americans. And forced them onto reservations, usually far from their traditional and ancient homes.

However some interviews have managed to surface, 90% of these children are admitting that is what they were told to say. They actually came here for the reason already stated. They get to stay and get all these handouts. They are saying if they can get here they can stay. Nothing about being refugees, nothing about sex slavery, nothing about escaping conditions in their home countries. Most of them aren't even old enough to understand that they even have a government. This also did not take our government by surprise, they knew it was coming at least 2 years ago. Rick Perry wrote Obama a letter specifically about this problem in 2012. He has still received no response.

People are starving right here in the US in just about every large city you can name. Our government has done nothing about it. The current admin is using this for political purposes, not trying to help people fleeing from a bad situation.

If it were just the children maybe I would have a different opinion, but we also have gang members, criminals and drug runners crossing the border, along with very questionable others. Border patrol has found prayer rugs and at least one copy of the Koran in a backpack left behind at the border. That means a very good possibility of Islamic or Muslim terrorists sneaking in while border patrol is distracted.

It's a tough situation. While I care about people in general, and the conditions in some South American countries are very bad, most people here can't take care of their own families, or barely can, now we're being expected to take in thousands and thousands more. Next month school starts. 60,000 kids are going to be there who are all illegally in this country, don't speak a word of English, need food, medical assistance and a roof to sleep under, and this country is already in serious trouble. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes, but the fact is they should never have been here to begin with. This is not just a typical refugee movement, it's a serious crisis created by an idiotic government, probably for political reasons. How is an already broke country going to feed, house and educate that many children? Who shouldn't be here in the first place.

And what about their parents or relatives who sent them here. Would you hand your 5 year old kid over to a very violent drug cartel to bring him or her over 1500 miles to another country? If they were actually fleeing tyranny as refugees, historically that's always been entire families, often even entire villages. This is entirely different. It's only the young, under 18. That's because our idiotic government has made it very clear they can stay. If it were you, wouldn't you go yourself too? Why send your children under questionable conditions and stay yourself? The idea that they are coming here to escape tyranny just doesn't hold up. If that were true it would be entire families, same as every refugee movement in history right up to now in the middle east.

Sorry but I don't buy it. I'm not crazy about sending them back, but we can't keep them here either, we already can't take care of our own.

Obama would not even visit the border when Gov. Perry hosted Obama a few days ago.. it's like he just burys his head in the sand, and refuses to work with Congress to find a solution..
@ yod,
why could we not set up a WWII era Japanese type internment camp for these illegals? it would be fenced with electric fencing, would be big enough for them to produce cottage industries and vegetable gardens to feed themselves, and maybe throw in a few flocks of chickens for grub?

And we should be definitely taking care of our own poor and hungry as well....
I know that's not currently happening.

It just appears from a layman's view that everyone is going "isolationist" when in reality, we took everyone in, from A to Z at one point. Everyone forgets that facet.

I know it's the wrong thing to do, but I'd want to take them all into the USA.
I believe in human capital, plain and simple. Save people.

I think that the correct thing to do is to make "a positive out of a negative", the problem lies in correct implementation and that is certainly a mouthful. Who will win the Nobel prize for solving this problem? I don't know but they would certainly be nominated at very least.

I think we should try to shield anyone that needs help from oppression.
It's a "pro world" view as opposed to a "pro USA".
Not pragmatic at all, but I can't help feeling that way.
Those people are being destroyed like dogs too long at the shelter.
Don't stick them in Japanese type interment camps either, we have enough land here to create something significant and worthy so people truly get some relief.

Sure it will cost money, but doesn't everything?
Only 2 things are sure in life, DEATH and TAXES.

Remember to click "SUBMIT" LOL (We're getting prepared already)

SOURCE: AP News

Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala, said he couldn't support it, complaining that Obama has turned the U.S. into the "world's sugar daddy."

Obama would not even visit the border when Gov. Perry hosted Obama a few days ago.. it's like he just burys his head in the sand, and refuses to work with Congress to find a solution..
@ yod,
why could we not set up a WWII era Japanese type internment camp for these illegals? it would be fenced with electric fencing, would be big enough for them to produce cottage industries and vegetable gardens to feed themselves, and maybe throw in a few flocks of chickens for grub?

I'm no fan of Obama but he's no idiot when it comes to politics. If he were to go there and get the "photo op" it would be showing from now through election day. He's keenly aware that words in a story aren't read by most Americans but a visual image is instant and forever.

And there is a lot of uninhabited land in the southwest where illegals come through. If we fence that and put them there, they themselves would be a barrier for those who are yet on the way.

I've got a lot of friends in the Navajo Nation (NM, AZ, CO) and President Ben Shelly recently established diplomatic relations with Israel. In just the last few months, people from the Dept of Agriculture in Israel have been coming over and teaching the Navajo how to turn the desert into farmland (Like they do in the Negev). It wouldn't be much of a problem to set that up in a new "state" where these people could not only raise their own food, but export it.

THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR, sure we all have problems, but how can we help to make it all better without destroying what already is.

Save the people, because no one else will. The problem is the plan. Come up with the good plan and your name will go down in history.

Turning your back or a blind eye to it will not make it all go away. We just have to be smart enough to figure out the big picture.

Go after the responsible parties, with the zeal that our government goes after deadbeat dads.
Spain and Portugal, you broke it, YOU BOUGHT IT!

But where do you draw the line?

I'm sure right about now at least half of Palestine would love to be somewhere else, it wouldn't be hard to find a couple hundred thousand in Nigeria, thousands of South Koreans would be glad to join in, most of Iraq, Kuwait, Ukraine, the list goes on.

Every country in the world protects its borders. All of them try their best to eliminate illegal immigration. Except the US. Some even build walls. And they work.

Also, letting them keep coming means you're condoning the way they are getting here...Which is by paying extremely high fees to a very brutal drug cartel that is also killing some of them along the way, making children cut other childrens' fingers off to extort more money from already broke families, and making insane amounts of money at it, with which they keep their criminal empires running, to deliver more hard drugs to this and other countries.

Are you OK with that?

If they keep coming that's how they are getting here. I'm definitely not OK with it. I'm not ok with our country being overrun with illegal immigrants, further taxing our already floundering economy, the billions it takes to feed, clothe, house and educate them coming out of our taxes, and I'm definitely not OK with the criminal gang members coming here, the adult illegals slipping by in larger numbers, the potential terrorists being brought here, the jobs Americans lose, the shipments of drugs not being stopped, the diseases being let loose here...

ICE is sitting in their offices, they have been told not to do their job. That order had to come from somewhere...This is already hurting the economy. Even before congress decides on how many billions to throw at it.

Nowhere else in the world can you simply walk across any country's border and stay. Not just children, adults. Gang members. Criminals. Drug traffickers. This is insane. Right now we may as well not have a border. Where do we get the money to take care of all these people? We can't take care of our own. People are homeless and starving in virtually every large city in the US. Some are homeless by choice and don't want to "better themselves". But some are homeless due to a failing economy, high unemployment, unchecked inflation...

This is just the tip of the iceberg. I did some checking a while back. Gas prices have more than doubled in the past 5 years. It took over 20 years for gas prices to double before that. Ditto for a gallon of milk, loaf of bread, virtually everything you have to have to survive. And the only people who have been getting raises in that same 5 years have been the top earning 10% of the work force. Those who could live just fine without raises. In some cases pay has actually gone down. And taking in these children would mean their upkeep would have to be paid by the same people who are struggling to make ends meet already on low salaries and high prices. Are you ready to even think about what it will cost if we see epidemics of diseases hit this country that we have never had to deal with? Some of the diseases coming in now have never been in this country at all, several have been wiped out for the past 100 years, and an outbreak of TB has already started at a holding facility in south Texas. San Antonio I think but can't remember. Oh yeah...drug resistant TB...then there's smallpox, scabies, chicken pox, and others.

If you think these are just ordinary gang members coming here, read this

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/ ... with-wmds/

Do you really think it's a good idea to keep letting our border go unattended? There is a very good chance this will completely overwhelm the economy, in addition to letting large numbers of very bad people in, numerous diseases, huge amounts of hard drugs...

But where do you draw the line? After 500,000 come here? A million? 5 million? The border should have been secured long ago.

I'm right there with ya, Pete. But that bastion of virtue, Nancy Pelosi, says these are all innocent children coming in. You aren't saying that a Democrat could lie, are you?

But that's why I said putting them all in a secured area along the border would be a good idea while we sift through them to find the criminals, terrorists, and spies.

However, the person to whom so many have decided to defend no matter what he does has decided otherwise. And like I've been saying since August 2007, goodbye America.

Would you rather they all die? What do you care? Church is on Sunday and we cleanse all sins m-sat, right?

Anything to keep your precious way of life, even though it's all built on lies and murder.
But f**k it we shouldn't help anyone else because that would mean that we would have to endure more or that's the idea. (more torts about limited/finite resources and way of life huh?)

You going to sleep like a log through that?
Can you watch them kill 'em?

I bet you'd change your tune if you were watching them being shot.
If you ever saw it up close and personal, you'd shut yer gob.

How about role reversal? Ever think of it that way?

I got it far worse than you do, but I would still share the little I have to save people.

Try not to be such a godless faq when your stupid ass is in church every Sunday to suck up the sacrament and yet you talk the talk but refuse to walk the walk. Someday that will come back to bite you directly on that fat ass you are currently sitting on.

I haven't been in a church in over 30 years, basically non religious. No I didn't say athiest. Just non religious.

I'm also not even close to fat, I doubt if I weigh 150 right now. And that's underweight for my build...

What I'm watching is Mexicans and foreign gangs attack border patrol. What I'm watching is illegal immigration being sanctioned by our government, something no other government in the world would tolerate. What I'm watching is one of the holding facilities on lockdown right now due to a Chicken Pox outbreak. What I'm watching is an idiot president looking like he's going to enact yet another executive order giving ALL the illegal immigrants in this country blanket amnesty. Try getting a job then. And millions of them are already taking advantage of every handout they can find...welfare, food stamps and so forth...which is your tax dollars. What I'm watching is someone with a 50 cal across the border taking pot shots at border patrol. What I'm watching is our government shipping these kids to other states without notifying anyone they are coming so people cannot organize protests and make the buses turn around. And several Governors are very unhappy.

What I'm watching is something totally intolerable. What is not being widely reported is that many more of these "children" than anyone realizes are in the 15 to 18 age range and many are gang members. Members of an exceptionally violent and brutal gang, MS13. And they are being shipped all over the country. On your tax dollars. They are already recruiting more gang members. Everywhere they go.

And I ask again, where do you draw the line? Can we take in half the world? NO. In a month school starts. In addition to the potential for outbreaks of serious diseases, schools that are already underfunded (thanks to an anti education government) have to somehow manage to get translators for children who are illegally here, will be illegally here for years, and will most likely stay on government assistance forever. Which means bye bye to more of your tax dollars that would be better spent repairing your roads or maybe even taking care of needy children who ARE legally here. Which our government largely ignores.

No I'm not going to sleep worth a damn, already don't, since I have no idea how many outright criminals have sneaked across the border just an 8 hour drive from here. Or less...They've had a month to spread no telling where and I have no idea when one is going to decide to break into my house. Or maybe it will be a group of a dozen gang members that should have never been able to get here to begin with. I see illegal immigrants literally every day and I have no idea how many of them are criminals laughing at our so called border. Many have been convicted of felonies, deported and show up again in no time to be arrested for something else...endless circle.. I'm worried about every major city in this country turning into something like Chicago is right now. And I have to wonder if some of the criminals who already illegally immigrated here are involved in that.

Nothing good can come from this. Whether you care about the underprivileged of the world or not, we must secure our border just like every other country in the world. Or we have no country.

And yes I'm worried about the economical affects. The country is already broke, or very close to it, this could be the straw that broke the camel's back. It will cost billions, especially if this continues unabated for a few more months. We don't have those billions, we can't...or won't...take care of our own.