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Nothing for free Dane? 51% of Americans supporting 49% and you say nothing for free? I guess it's only "Right" if the liberals get it for free?
No Christians, Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians, Pro lifer's, or bad olé putty tats!

Bundy is a racist too.. he thinks Blacks should still be pickin' cotton..oh my god.. what the right wing is naturally attracted to amazes me.. birds of a feather flock together..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... as-slaves/

Dane, get you head together man! This is not about Bundy being a racist. It is about the Federal government coming to Texas and taking land and rights away from Texans. It amazes me how you liberals try to discredit someone by changing the subject. Do you have ADHD? Your boring attempt is so cliche' it's laughable.

Dane, get you head together man! This is not about Bundy being a racist. It is about the Federal government coming to Texas and taking land and rights away from Texans. It amazes me how you liberals try to discredit someone by changing the subject. Do you have ADHD? Your boring attempt is so cliche' it's laughable.

There are Texas ranchers that have paid all and any taxes required, and they are still having abuse at the hands of this federal agency.

As bigoted as those statements seem... Is any one better off when they are locked in the loving arms of bureaucracy, with no hope of self improvement... Or locked in the arms of a wall street job were value is placed on hard work and innovation. Even a slave always had the opportunity to gain favor with the master. With the master being the government... YOU AIN'T GOT NO CHANCE!

God has blessed me with powers of discernment.. it was no coincidence earlier in this thread race was brought up.. I could smell him out as being a racist.. I knew there was a whole lot about the guy I did not like just by looking at his face.. he is a cheat and a racist.. he has no business judging black kids in the housing projects cause he is a thief himself.. as long as he does not pay rent, he is no better than the folks he's carrying on about as better off being slaves.. he's worse than a slave, he steals from John Q. Public.

Bundy, if quoted accurately, said that those third generation welfare serfs would be better off in slavery.

It bears consideration. We should dig up Lyndon Johnson and burn his body.

When I was a kid blacks were the poster children from family values. Now not so much.

What's not mentioned, ever, is that black people are not some monolithic block. There are the intercity ferals, who have about as much in common with my colleagues as I have with them. There are also actual Africans, immigrants, the legal type whom I welcome.

Usually pretty darn sharp.

Bundy wasn't talking about those guys.

Another statistic you won't like: a black demographic commits somewhere around 60% of the violent gun crime in this country. If it's racist to say that, tough sh*t. Facts are facts.

But again - what's never mentioned by left or right, is that it is only a 12% element of the black community that does almost all of it. Take that twelve percent out of the picture and you have Switzerland.

It should be noted that among whites and Latinos it's similar - a small percentage of what some studies call 'career criminals' do almost all the crime.

Those darned Asians don't do a damn thing. I guess they are not competitive.

For sources start with the FBI - that's where I start.

Talbot

God has blessed me with powers of discernment.. it was no coincidence earlier in this thread race was brought up.. I could smell him out as being a racist.. I knew there was a whole lot about the guy I did not like just by looking at his face.. he is a cheat and a racist.. he has no business judging black kids in the housing projects cause he is a thief himself.. as long as he does not pay rent, he is no better than the folks he's carrying on about as better off being slaves.. he's worse than a slave, he steals from John Q. Public.

Hows this... Our government is far more racist than any remark from Bundy. Your views and values only work to subsidize a government that works actively to maintain control of people. Almost every one misses that point.
You believe that the government is helping those people ACHIEVE. I feel sorry for those people Bundy describes. They are more enslaved in a land of Freedom. Even Fox news disgusts me because NO ONE is helping to instill self pride, and motivation to ACHIEVE, for the people that Bundy was describing.

Who the hell says he is a cheat? Maybe the LAW IS THE CHEAT.

I am so glad you are able to stand in judgment so quickly... Hey may we should nominate you as a censor too!!

It amazes me how you liberals try to discredit someone by changing the subject. Do you have ADHD? Your boring attempt is so cliche' it's laughable.

"laughable cliches"......how about right wingers pulling out that same ridiculous accusation of your's again and again (as a distraction).

yeah, because conservatives ALWAYS stick to the matter at hand and NEVER try to pull a sleight of hand smoke screen of shifting the conversation when it suits them!!!!!

now, THAT's some laughable sheet right there.

what's next? you're gonna cry about dems playing w two set of rules?

sorry, jeff....i'm calling BS on that hypocrisy and bush league move.

It amazes me how you liberals try to discredit someone by changing the subject. Do you have ADHD? Your boring attempt is so cliche' it's laughable.

"laughable cliches"......how about right wingers pulling out that same ridiculous accusation of your's again and again (as a distraction).

yeah, because conservatives ALWAYS stick to the matter at hand and NEVER try to pull a sleight of hand smoke screen of shifting the conversation when it suits them!!!!!

now, THAT's some laughable sheet right there.

what's next? you're gonna cry about dems playing w two set of rules?

sorry, jeff....i'm calling BS on that hypocrisy and bush league move.

Yawn, more cliche'

sorry jeff, i forget you're the ONE guy on BM who's NEVER expressed a view, or opinion that might be considered even remotely "cliche"!

look, you can call my beef about your double standards a "cliche" (cos that's all ya got) but i'm still calling you out on that "tactic".

and while we're at it....i'd like to point out that i could easily put up a bunch of zzzzzzzzz's, yawns, and call you out every time YOU rehash one of your pet views or arguments....and i DON'T have a rebuttal. sorry, not my style, bro.

and let's face it...you sidestepping with a "yawn" reply......isn't THAT a cliche?

(yeah, it is)

now, as far as this racist cracker goes....i dunno which is funnier, him shooting himself in the foot while spouting his racist views or all his supporters trying to do damage control and make excuses for his comments.

and i call him a cracker because even if you want to TRY to explain his racist comments.....who in this day and age uses the word "negro"????

i guess his supporters are happy he didn't let the other "N" word slip out.

Even though this has wandered a bit, I just did explain his point. However I will say it again in a way that is not open to liberals screaming "racist".

We have had "HOPE AND CHANGE" since L.B.J.s "great society"

We have seen this vision over and over from Burma to Ethiopia to Argentina.

What is the vision? Enslave the people, eliminate the trouble makers, and promise them a paradise.
I feel so bad for the people that Bundy is describing. I also feel so bad for every American that has allowed the LAW to become the tool of some very scary CRACKERS.

That's why we still have guns...

SOURCE: AP News

But the rugged West that Bundy was said to represent has changed, becoming more urban and less concerned about federal intrusion than it was during the so-called Sagebrush Rebellion in the 1970s and '80s. In the urban areas that now dominate the West, there have been few stirrings of support for Bundy.

Even many fellow ranchers regard him as more a deadbeat than a hero.

"You've got hundreds of ranchers in Nevada who pay their fee regularly," said Tom Collins, a rancher on the Clark County Commission. "On the grazing fee issue, Bundy doesn't have sympathy from the ranchers."

At the Bunkerville Post Office, Chad Dalton, a lineman for a power company, said that the case brought up important issues but that they should be addressed through laws, not with guns.

"It's a fight to be had," Dalton said from inside a car full of his children, "but I'm not sure he's the one to lead it."

Eric Herzik, a political science professor at the University of Nevada, Reno, said Bundy was made into a hero by conservative activists and journalists in New York and Washington "who did not understand how extreme Cliven Bundy is ... even among Sagebrush rebels and Nevada ranchers."

In fact, the remote area outside Las Vegas where Bundy and his supporters made their stand is represented by a black Democrat, Rep. Steve Horsford.

The congressman said Friday that many of the people in the small towns in the region, which has drawn an increasing number of retirees and tourists seeking to enjoy its open spaces, are upset with Bundy, who "does not reflect Nevada or the views of the West."

The BLM claims Bundy's cattle are trespassing on fragile habitat set aside for the endangered desert tortoise. Bundy says he doesn't recognize federal authority over lands that his cattle have grazed on for years.

After the BLM called off the roundup and released about 350 animals back to Bundy, the rancher drew praise from many Republicans — most notably Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, a likely 2016 presidential candidate — and condemnation from several Democrats.

Then, in an interview in Thursday's New York Times, he suggested that "the Negro" might have been better off during slavery rather than on government welfare.

In a statement Friday, Bundy defended himself by saying he is "trying to keep Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream alive." At his regular afternoon address to the media and supporters at his ranch, Bundy apologized if he offended anyone. "I might not have said it right," he said, "but it came from my heart."

John Rosenberger, 76, who said he had gone 25 years without paying federal taxes because he did not believe in Washington's authority, came to the ranch from Las Vegas after watching Bundy's supporters stare down the government.

"The stuff that I grew up with, the cowboys, the good guys with the white hats, today it's the ranchers being harassed by the government," said Rosenberger, a 9 mm revolver strapped to his waist. "They're the black hats."

Before the newspaper story broke, Gov. Brian Sandoval and Sen. Dean Heller, Republicans who got their political start in the sparsely populated northern end of the state, issued statements supportive of Bundy.

Bundy's racial comments, however, drew bipartisan condemnation.

Heller's spokeswoman said the senator "completely disagrees" with Bundy's remarks.

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, whose power base is in Las Vegas, home to most of Nevada's Democrats, said Bundy "revealed himself to be a hateful racist."

"But by denigrating people who work hard and play by the rules while he mooches off public land," Reid added, "he also revealed himself to be a hypocrite."

At a conference of Western Republicans in Salt Lake City on Friday, several conservatives reiterated their long-held complaints about federal control of vast swaths of the West. The federal government owns more than 80 percent of the land in Nevada.

Republicans complained that the federal holdings prevent development that could generate tax revenue for public services, and that environmental restrictions hinder ranchers and others who want to use some of the region's scenic spaces. They distanced themselves from Bundy but said they hope his racial remarks don't overshadow their concerns.

"This is bigger than one rancher in Nevada," Utah state Rep. Ken Ivory said.

___Associated Press reporter Annie Knox in Salt Lake City and researcher Rhonda Shafner contributed to this report.

When are you going to actually wake up and help people Dayne?

Yes bundy is bringing this up in a very racial way and yes he is guilty of violating the law.

But maybe the law is wrong.

Maybe the bigger point he is trying to make is that the government that is supposed to be Of the PEOPLE, and For the People... IS OUT OF CONTROL.

The government and all the people the people that have government jobs,don't give a damn about the people they are screaming they are helping.

Have you tried to disagree with your local politician lately?