General Music Chat

Unbelievable... What another tragedy.

This just proves that GUNS CAN NOT BE TRUSTED, unless they are in the hands of responsible American citizens. BANG!

Our government should immediately turn over all their weapons to the people of The United States of America. That includes DIANE FIENSTEIN, CHUCK SCHUMER, and the whole Connecticut legislation.

I know some will be offended by this facetious remark... But it is a wake up call of what happens when only bad people have weapons.

My prayers go out to all those service folk that have suffered and died for our country.

I caught an episode of NCIS once time and it was pretty cool. Zhiva, the delicious Mossad agent detached to NCIS looked at a room full of navy guys in uniform cranking away on computers.

"Where are their weapons?" She asked.

Exactly.

Outside off true warrior communities like Spec Ops where the guys average a bit older and more experienced, you aren't going to see our guys armed - particularly stateside. Firearms at the front. Period.

The dirty little secret is that young soldiers are known to statistically have many times more 'accidents' with firearms than the older ones. Most private soldiers in the infantry are young bucks - 18 -22.

All countries know this and regulate closely who can carry and when. Here in PC USA we've gone way too far on that - officers and NCOs at least should have side arms. Instead, nobody is armed?? Call the cops if you come under attack? Holy smoke!

Are they are just targets then? Yes. Even the guys with CCW permits are tightly regulated on Army Posts.

This incident is a dreadful blow to our military prestige - this Ft. Hood is HQ for US armor. 1st Cavalry Division and a host of other outfits live there! So you tell an armoured / air assault division (the org chart varies with this outfit) full of well trained warrior types with a tradition of dealing out violence to enemies to "Shelter in Place?"

Enemy soldiers / guerillas / terrorists, will get a big laugh out this...

A bloody disgrace. Better, I hate to say, if a mob of unarmed soldiers had mobbed the bastard, suffering casualties but tearing the gunman to pieces. This really is a blow to our military. Damn....

Talbot

All free men should be armed irregardless of their occupation.
We are called to make account of ourselves in the face of evil.
If we are not willing nor prepared . . . we are not men.

All free men should be armed irregardless of their occupation.
We are called to make account of ourselves in the face of evil.
If we are not willing nor prepared . . . we are not men.

george...do you think ALL free men are good judges of who is "evil" and who isn't?

last weekend there was a gal on the dance floor making eyes at me playing on stage while she danced w her back to her husband. big dude.

didn't take long for him to catch on, and as soon as he did, he was giving me serious glare and the ol' stink eye.

he seemed like a cool enough guy...but i've no doubt he might have been thinking me quite "evil" at the time.

and i tell ya what....despite the old saying "looks can kill".....we all know they CAN'T.

now, if he was packing a sidearm.... and his woman decided to take things a little further and be even more obvious than she was already being....well, that's one of many situations where i'm grateful most folks AIN'T packing. sure glad HE wasn't.

sorry, i just don't have the same faith in my fellow man (and women) that they will always use the best judgement about when to draw down. nope. too many crazies. too many people exercising poor judgement. too many w poor impulse control.

i've seen too many bar fights in crowded places (one last weekend next night in fact) where guns would have come out if these bozos had 'em. wouldn't THAT have been fun!!!!

yeah, and then there would have to be someone w GOOD judgement deciding who the good guys are...who the bad guys are....if there's a threat to the innocent and wimmin folk, etc. and all this decidedin a few split seconds w alot of folks around?

nah...like i said...i don't have enough faith in most people to make those life and death split second decisions.

NAH your right PG. Good men are only right when bullets are flying around and they are busy dialing 911.

Funny thing about the scenario you paint is that when you are talking about lethal weapons and the equal distribution of them... No sane person would think of going to that level over his wife thinking you were good looking.
However if they were CRAZY and knew there was no chance of retaliation... Call 911, in the 10 or more minutes it takes them to save you... You would have already been dead 9 minutes and 59.75 seconds.

I know you have no love for Ronald Reagan but he did just the opposite of what you are saying. He was ready to build star wars and blow the crapp out of Gorbachev. He wasn't going to wait around for the NUCKE police to say you can't DO THAT. He said to a bully that I have bigger guns and will make them better... IF YOU WANT TO KILL AMERICANS... You really should think about it.

This is the law of weapons, that you fail to understand. This is nature of mankind to pick up rocks, make spears, use starvation as a weapon, any sort of WEAPON.

No government will ever be able to protect you from that one crazy. All they can do is work to make you more vulnerable. The second amendment is not about guns... IT IS ABOUT THE RIGHT,THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT... TO PROTECT YOURSELF. Our country originally thought that was important.

So what has changed? Ronald Reagan or your fear of some assshole in a bar?

Planet

I often carry a weapon. I'm a pretty balanced and have never drawn my gun but three times (outside of war) and all three times were justified. My intention in those cases, was to shoot. However just seeing the weapon seems to cool the ardor of most bad guys - who are mostly cowards anyway.

I do get your point - the world is full of idiots. But I refuse to base my personal security on the fact that it's 'not fair' that I am better disciplined and have more self control.

We defer far too often to the lames of this world. A better plan would be to burn the public schools to the ground and throw the lawyers on the fire. We as a nation are letting a bunch of pukes indoctrinate our children on the way of the wimp.

Talbot

Planet


I do get your point - the world is full of idiots.
Talbot

exactly. if guns were ONLY used to defend ourselves that's one thing. this latest beserker was not defending himself.

to me the answer is not if everyone this guy comes across in his shooting spree had a weapon ...problem solved. too often that's just a recipe for an even higher body count.

if everyone in the bar i was playing at had a gun and decided to "defend themselves" when a fight broke out .......that's lose lose for just about everyone in the room.

yeah, i bet you use and have used good judgement, mike. but it would be foolish to expect the same from every yahoo who believes it's his "god given right" to pull out a gun and start shooting whenever THEY decide it's warranted.

"sanity" or insanity AIN'T the issue. using GOOD JUDGEMENT is.....and expecting everyone who packs to use it when other's safety is at stake....nah. i don't see that as a good way to go.

people aren't insane who engage in road rage....they're using bad judgement. someone starts a fight in a bar over real or imagined attention given to their old lady...that ain't insanity...it's bad judgement. and if they had a real shitty day or week ...i'd rather not take the chance that yahoo (who may or may not have a history of violence) is gonna pull a piece on me.... or that i can pull mine first w/o one of us shooting someone else.

Planet

A better plan would be to burn the public schools to the ground and throw the lawyers on the fire. We as a nation are letting a bunch of pukes indoctrinate our children on the way of the wimp.

Talbot

strongly disagree. both w your take schools AND lawyers.

as i see it every situation and person involved is different. are there sh*t bag lawyers? of course. there are also those who work for peanuts helping kids w special ed needs. and those who go to bat for joe blow when he's getting hosed by those w big pockets jerking him around.

as for schools and public ed...that's an argument for another day. frankly i'd rather talk music.

The way this shooting played out... 3 people killed... 16 injured. When a security guard pulls her weapon in response as deterrence and defense... The shooter surrenders by inflicting a personal, terminal, wound from his own weapon.

What does not get played out is that the possibility exist that many more could have been injured or killed. What does not get played out is that deterrence could have stopped this from happening.

Funny PG, you call it GOOD JUDGEMENT. We just use different words... I call it personal responsibility. If you don't feel capable of making momentary decision, in the use of a gun... I have to totally respect that. Even trained law enforcement have trouble with that. However the deterrence of that gun is almost enough to prevent attacks on a police officer. Notice I said almost.

We grew up during the "cold war". The whole thing was insanity, led by some very "sane leaders". It was all about deterrence. Yeah one mistake and the whole world goes. So where does it end, when men intend to do extreme harm to their fellow men? I don't have that answer, but I am a PITA for being aware of it.

There's a band name in there somewhere too.

I can't get it to the surface though.. I just keep getting something like "Road Rage Square Dance".

(just had to share) lol

aye, scott...wouldn't take long before we'd be known far and wide as RRSD.

i'm putting you in charge of props and suitable band attire. get back when ya get it all sussed out.

You don't need Scott. We already figured it out...

http://youtu.be/1Ee4bfu_t3c

lol They are way too soft for my tastes...
but cookie monster vocals will never, ever do.

It's just not musical.

All free men should be armed irregardless of their occupation.
We are called to make account of ourselves in the face of evil.
If we are not willing nor prepared . . . we are not men.

george...do you think ALL free men are good judges of who is "evil" and who isn't?

last weekend there was a gal on the dance floor making eyes at me playing on stage while she danced w her back to her husband. big dude.

didn't take long for him to catch on, and as soon as he did, he was giving me serious glare and the ol' stink eye.

he seemed like a cool enough guy...but i've no doubt he might have been thinking me quite "evil" at the time.

and i tell ya what....despite the old saying "looks can kill".....we all know they CAN'T.

now, if he was packing a sidearm.... and his woman decided to take things a little further and be even more obvious than she was already being....well, that's one of many situations where i'm grateful most folks AIN'T packing. sure glad HE wasn't.

sorry, i just don't have the same faith in my fellow man (and women) that they will always use the best judgement about when to draw down. nope. too many crazies. too many people exercising poor judgement. too many w poor impulse control.

i've seen too many bar fights in crowded places (one last weekend next night in fact) where guns would have come out if these bozos had 'em. wouldn't THAT have been fun!!!!

yeah, and then there would have to be someone w GOOD judgement deciding who the good guys are...who the bad guys are....if there's a threat to the innocent and wimmin folk, etc. and all this decidedin a few split seconds w alot of folks around?

nah...like i said...i don't have enough faith in most people to make those life and death split second decisions.

Mark, I think your ego ran away with reality on this one Bro. It was more likely that big boy was just jealous and he wanted you! could it be possible you were over thinking on this one?

If active soldiers aren't qualified enough and sensible enough to handle weapons on a military installation, then I don't know who is.
It is flat out stupidity to have no accessible arms on a military base.