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#224481 by GuitarMikeB
Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:38 pm
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:if a pick is a plectrum then why is it a pick? what's a pick?

A guitar pick is a plectrum used for guitars. A pick is generally made of one uniform material; examples include plastic, nylon, rubber, felt, tortoiseshell, wood, metal, glass, tagua and stone. They are often shaped in an acute isosceles triangle with the two equal corners rounded and the third corner rounded to a lesser extent.

The use of a plectrum to play a stringed instrument has been in practice for thousands of years.[1] Feather quills were likely the first standardized plectra and became widely used until the late 19th century. At that point, the shift towards what would become the superior plectrum material took place; the outer shell casing of an Atlantic hawksbill sea turtle, which would colloquially be referred to as tortoiseshell.[2] Other alternatives had come and gone, but tortoiseshell provided the best combination of tonal sound and physical flexibility for plucking a taut string.[3] Prior to the 1920s most guitar players used thumb and finger picks (used for the banjo or mandolin) when looking for something to play their guitar with, but with the rise of musician Nick Lucas, the use of a flat “plectrum style guitar pick” became popular.[4]

There have been many innovations in the design of the guitar pick. Most of these were born out of the issue of guitar picks slipping and flying out of the hand of the player.[5] In 1896, a Cincinnati man (Frederick Wahl) affixed 2 rubber disks to either side of a mandolin pick, which made it the first popular solution to the problem.[6] Over the next 2 decades more innovations would be made, such as corrugating the rounded surface of the pick or drilling a hole through the center in which the pad of a player’s thumb would fit.[7] A more notable improvement was attaching cork to the wide part of the pick, a solution first patented by Richard Carpenter and Thomas Towner of Oakland in 1917.[8] Some of these new designs made picks undesirably expensive. Eventually pickers would realize that all they needed was something to sink their fingerprints into so the pick wouldn't go airborne, such as a high relief imprinted logo. Celluloid was a material on which this could be done very well.[9]

Tony D’Andrea was the one of the first people to use celluloid to produce and sell guitar picks. In 1902 he came upon a sidewalk sale offering some sheets of tortoise shell colored cellulose nitrate plastic and dies, and eventually he would discover that the small pieces of celluloid he punched out with the dies were ideal for picking stringed instruments.[10] From the 1920s through the 1950s, D’Andrea Manufacturing would dominate the world’s international pick market, providing to major businesses such as Gibson, Fender, and Martin.[11] One of the main reasons celluloid was so popular as guitar pick material was that it very closely imitated the sound and flexibility of a tortoise shell guitar pick. The practice of using Hawksbill turtles for their shells would become illegal in 1963 as a provision of the Convention of International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES), forcing musicians to find something else to pick with.[12]

Musicians had been partial to shell picks, and when D’Andrea provided an alternative, D’Andrea Manufacturing became very successful and gained renown as the guitar pick of choice through the 1960s.[13] Celluloid provided a good alternative in many ways. Tortoise shell was rare, expensive, and had a tendency to break. Celluloid was made from cellulose, one of the most abundant raw materials in the world, and nitrocellulose combined with camphor under heat and pressure produced celluloid. Though originally meant as a replacement for ivory billiard balls, celluloid began being used for many things for its flexibility, durability, and relative inexpensiveness, making it a natural candidate as a material for guitar picks.[14] Later, other materials, such as nylon and less popularly wood, glass, or metal would become popular for making guitar picks for their increased grip, flexibility, or tonal qualities.

A plectrum (pick) for electric guitars, acoustic guitars, bass guitars and mandolins is typically a thin piece of plastic or other material shaped like a pointed teardrop or triangle. The size, shape and width may vary considerably. Thin items such as small coins, bread clips or broken compact discs and credit cards can be used as substitute plectra. Banjo and guitar players may wear a metal or plastic thumb pick mounted on a ring, and bluegrass banjo players often wear metal or plastic fingerpicks on their fingertips. Guitarists also use fingerpicks.

Guitar picks are made of a variety of materials, including celluloid, metal, and rarely other exotic materials such as turtle shell, but today delrin is the most common[citation needed]. For other instruments in the modern day most players use plastic plectra but a variety of other materials, including wood and felt (for use with the ukulele) are common. Guitarists in the rock, blues, jazz and bluegrass genres tend to use a plectrum, partly because the use of steel strings tends to wear out the fingernails quickly, and also because a plectrum provides a more 'focused' and 'aggressive' sound. Many guitarists also use the pick and the remaining right-hand fingers simultaneously to combine some advantages of flat picking and finger picking. This technique is called hybrid picking.

A plectrum of the guitar type is often called a pick (or a flatpick to distinguish it from fingerpicks).

Dunlop felt picks: http://www.amazon.com/Jim-Dunlop-8012-F ... B000EELBQE

#224482 by jw123
Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:41 pm
Well Hell, Im sure some fughen liberal came up with all this chit!


J/K

#230053 by Planetguy
Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:38 pm
reviving this thread to let y'all know about a cool pick i've been using....it's a little on the manly size for you nancies that are used to girlie thin ones, but man i'm loving 'em. nice little indent for your thumb and a warm, but bright tone and at three for $5 i won't go bawling when i drop one between the floorboards!


http://www.amazon.com/Clayton-Picks-Exo ... horn+picks

#230055 by GuitarMikeB
Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:36 pm
Planetguy wrote:reviving this thread to let y'all know about a cool pick i've been using....it's a little on the manly size for you nancies that are used to girlie thin ones, but man i'm loving 'em. nice little indent for your thumb and a warm, but bright tone and at three for $5 i won't go bawling when i drop one between the floorboards!


http://www.amazon.com/Clayton-Picks-Exo ... horn+picks


What's it made of? Thickness? Amazon description doesn't say. I noticed one reviewer said the point started delaminating on him pretty quickly.

#230056 by Planetguy
Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:50 pm
it's made of cow horn. i'd say the thickness is prolly around 2.0 at the fat end (handle) and it tapers down to maybe around 1.5 at the point. a little bit longer than your basic "Fender" pick.

i've been using 'em for awhile and i've not exp any "delaminating". even when beating the crap out of my gypsy acoustic gtr.

#230061 by MikeTalbot
Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:10 am
I'm using Tortex 1.14 heavy picks and they are just right for me. One problem though - they are only good for a couple hours on guitar before they are all chewed up. I actually bought a file to clean them up and increase the life span.

I sometimes play bass with a pick (adjusting Kevlar underwear 8) and I don't mind a bit if they are a bit chewed up. So I have a lot of bass picks...

Talbot

#230086 by Starfish Scott
Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:10 am
Ooh "filing your picks".

What a splendid idea, Mike.

Thanks for sharing.

#230091 by gtZip
Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:09 am
What? You don't want the $75 Blue Chip Jazz100 picks?

I think I'm transitioning to just using my fingernail, and other digits.

#230199 by Planetguy
Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:13 pm
gtZip wrote:What? You don't want the $75 Blue Chip Jazz100 picks?

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absolute LUNACY! Blue Chips picks are real big w a lot of mando players and bluegrass flatpickers.

$10 for a John Pearse Fast Turtle pick is about as much as i'd ever spend on anything as easily lost as a pick.

someone had given me a $20 Red Bear pick a cpl of yrs ago. i was totally unimpressed w it...and that was BEFORE it snapped in two like a saltine! :roll:

#230201 by GuitarMikeB
Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:39 pm
I've actually snapped a couple of Fender Heavies in two recently, but they're $7 a dozen, so no big deal.

#230207 by Starfish Scott
Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:34 pm
Suddenly my el cheapo Fender Heavies in tortoise feel like a good investment. I just burn em up and throw them away.

The only other pick I like atm is "The EBE PIK" in glow in the dark white Alien picks, in heavy (.96mm). You shine a strong light on them and in the dark, the glow is enough to actually see your fretboard for a minute or so".
I really love the feel of them, as for some reason I don't drop them.

Everything else tends to slip from my fingers during performance. (shrugs)

Try em, you'll like em, if you play aggressively.
http://www.samash.com/ebe-universal-ali ... picks-e1gl

12$ a dozen.

#230257 by Planetguy
Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:11 pm
Starfish Scott wrote:
Everything else tends to slip from my fingers during performance. (shrugs)


uh...are we still talking about picks, here? :D nyuk, nyuk.

have you tried any picks that have a "dimple" like impression for your thumb....like the Dunlop Stubby? they're avail in regular teardrop and big triangle. i use the 3.0 but the red one i do believe is 1.0.


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The only other pick I like atm is "The EBE PIK" in glow in the dark white Alien picks, in heavy (.96mm).



"heavy"??? at .96mm???? pshaw!

Try em, you'll like em, if you play aggressively.
http://www.samash.com/ebe-universal-ali ... picks-e1gl

12$ a dozen.


for the life of me i can't figure any way i could play aggressively w a pick that thin. i know people do...and sound good, but yikes, that thin a pick takes too long to "recover" and snap back to straight for me.

MERE MORTALS were over last night and our fiddler found one of my big triangle 3.0 V Picks at her feet....she was horrified (she plays gtr too)... i made her try it (practically at gunpoint) and she conceded it did feel good and sounded OK. i don't think she's gonna run out and buy any though.

#230258 by VinnyViolin
Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:35 pm
Another way to add a horn player to the line-up, albeit utilizing some extended technique of course. :lol:

#230261 by Starfish Scott
Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:10 am
Mark,

I've tried those dimple picks. I got one I use on bass, but it feels weird to me. (The dimple messes with my mind) lol

#230269 by GuitarMikeB
Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:11 pm
Planetguy wrote:
Starfish Scott wrote:
Everything else tends to slip from my fingers during performance. (shrugs)


uh...are we still talking about picks, here? :D nyuk, nyuk.

have you tried any picks that have a "dimple" like impression for your thumb....like the Dunlop Stubby? they're avail in regular teardrop and big triangle. i use the 3.0 but the red one i do believe is 1.0.


Image


The only other pick I like atm is "The EBE PIK" in glow in the dark white Alien picks, in heavy (.96mm).



"heavy"??? at .96mm???? pshaw!

Try em, you'll like em, if you play aggressively.
http://www.samash.com/ebe-universal-ali ... picks-e1gl

12$ a dozen.


for the life of me i can't figure any way i could play aggressively w a pick that thin. i know people do...and sound good, but yikes, that thin a pick takes too long to "recover" and snap back to straight for me.

MERE MORTALS were over last night and our fiddler found one of my big triangle 3.0 V Picks at her feet....she was horrified (she plays gtr too)... i made her try it (practically at gunpoint) and she conceded it did feel good and sounded OK. i don't think she's gonna run out and buy any though.


Thickness is only one factor - it's the hardness/flexibility of the material, too. Fender Heavies are around 1.0mm but very stiff.

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