General Music Chat

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Beatles #1 all-time greatest rock band! No brainer!

But Dylan over Elvis for #2?

Zep coming in at 14?

Sex Pistols in the 50s...but no U2 at all????

Velvet Underground at #18, but Black Sabbath in at #85??????

Metallica over the Police? Bob Marley over Buddy Holly? Really?




Who the heck does Rolling Stone magazine think they are? Its a stupid list.

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I have never seen a RS poll that seemed to me as having any quantifiable relation to reality.

If Bob Marley really ranked at 11 in rock music .... then I'd think I'd be listening to a lot more rock than I do.

I would definitely rank Dylan over Elvis though.
As the Beatles are hailed for deepening the content of rock songs compared to their predecessors, Dylan deepened the content much more, making rock appeal to more than teenyboppers.

I would definitely rank Dylan over Elvis though.
As the Beatles are hailed for deepening the content of rock songs compared to their predecessors, Dylan deepened the content much more, making rock appeal to more than teenyboppers.

someone give that man a Bentley! w a good looking blonde in it!

yeah, i gotta put dylan in front of elvis too.

no one can deny how important and influential EP was....taking black music and making it socially acceptable for the masses....but BD is no slouch either in the who or how many he's influenced dept. that bloke john lennon comes to mind.... as well as countless others.

and then, there IS that whole thing of songwriting too. and hands down that's a no-brainer going to Mr. Z.

in some ways dylan reminds me of miles. always changing up what he was doing even though he was doing well ....often to the dismay of his fans.

there's his early period of singing older folk songs. then his political songs. then going electric. then his religious period. etc.

wow...i AM surprised (and pleased) to see Muddy Waters rank within their top 20.

on my list i'd put him higher than the 17th spot he made on their's, but at least he MADE it to that list.

i remember seeing Muddy Waters yrs ago when he opened up for Robert Palmer. the very first thing RP did when he came out on stage after Muddy's set was to tell the crowd how embarrassed he was that MW was opening up for HIM and that it wasn't the other way around.

Dylan no higher than #5, but I'm not sure he even belongs in the top 10

You can't rate someone by what came after them fairly, but rather by what was there when they came and how much it was changed forever. Dylan benefitted from having an industry around him....created by Elvis and the Beatles.

Not only is Elvis STILL the 2nd biggest selling of all time (behind only the Beatles), he almost single-handedly opened the door for all of us to follow. He has a legit claim to being #1 actually...but #2 at the absolute lowest. Heck, he grossed $65,000,000 in movie box office too. Not one of his 31 feature films lost money. Who could make that claim? Not even Harrison Ford! That is bound to put him even over the Beatles in total gross earnings. No other musicians has ever come close to that.

IMO, Buddy Holly deserves a place over Dylan. He was the very first singer/songwriter and invented the 3-piece rock trio, not to mention giving us some great music in a very short time. Dylan's place in history has more to with his writing albums as a complete concept....but as a performer he's just not capable of making a #2 claim. Rating him over Elvis is just silly & short-sighted.

In my opinion, Led Zepplin is STILL the King of Rock and should have been #3 since they are the 6th biggest selling of all time, even more than the Stones. They invented Arena Rock, owned their own record label/airplane/publishing, produced their own music, created the world's largest sound company (Showco of Dallas)

ANY list published by Rolling Stone/Jan Wenner is subject to scrutiny/jeers/yawns, just like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame sh!t.

Notice that this is a 100 'greatest artists' not rock and roll musicians/bands. Lot of black folks in the top 25. Yod - U2 is #22
The Ramones and the Clash over the Who?

Public Enemy and Run-DMC on the list at all? (and greater than Pink FLoyd, Allman Brothers, etc?) Beastie Boys? Radiohead?

wow...i AM surprised (and pleased) to see Muddy Waters rank within their top 20.

on my list i'd put him higher than the 17th spot he made on their's, but at least he MADE it to that list.

i remember seeing Muddy Waters yrs ago when he opened up for Robert Palmer. the very first thing RP did when he came out on stage after Muddy's set was to tell the crowd how embarrassed he was that MW was opening up for HIM and that it wasn't the other way around.

I would have ranked Howllin' Wolf much higher ... but since the name of this magazine is "Rolling Stone" it's only proper that they should give Muddy a better rank!

At least the Rolling Stones got the Wolf on Shindig.

Never heard about that RP & MW show ... sounds like it was a great night!

Niel Young #34 ... Flea writes the bit about Young. At the end what he says might also be considered in context of the 'Faking it at the Superbowl' thread:

The Chili Peppers get offers all the time to sell songs for commercials. Maybe we could whore ourselves out for the right price someday. But I always think, "Would Neil Young do this?" And the answer is no. Neil Young wouldn't f**k' do it.

I would have ranked Howllin' Wolf much higher ... but since the name of this magazine is "Rolling Stone" it's only proper that they should give Muddy a better rank!

LOL! the "rolling stone" ref....nice.

At least the Rolling Stones got the Wolf on Shindig.

you see that on "The '60's... British Invasion"? that was pretty cool!

Never heard about that RP & MW show ... sounds like it was a great night!

they used to have these concerts in Central Park back in the 70's... i think Schaeffer (beer) put them on. it was general admission in a small cordoned off area (sorta like an amphitheatre) and if memory serves the tks were like $3 and $5 to get in! you could also just climb some big rocks just outside and watch from there for free. thems were da days!

come on guys - top one hundred is always subjective. My own list would please some of you and the rest would hunt me down and beat me with old LP record covers.

Dylan was huge - much as I loved Elvis as a singer/performer; Dylan was a songwriter of great imagination. "I'm in the kitchen with the Tombstone blues..." Yeah that worked for me.

Now I'll go put on my leopard skin pillbox hat for a walk in the weather.

Talbot

- U2 is #22

thanks for helping me. I knew they had to be in there but somehow missed that..

I could make a case for them being much earlier though. Seems like most of the "modernized worship" churches are still playing that style.



Well, it's always interesting to hear what people define as "great". I supposed it was the historic scope of an artist that I thought defined their "all-time" status?

As a matter of history, there may not have been any of them if not for Elvis being the one who pushed the button that changed society through music.

Seems like he should be recognized as the guy who actually made rock-n-roll music very popular and mainstream in the historical record of America in the first place....so these other names could have careers. Even the black music legends benefitted greatly from Elvis bridging the race gap, and introducing white audiences to their music.

Music and sports bring people together and I don't think Elvis' contribution to society as a whole, and to boosting rock-n-roll's popularity with middle-class America can be overstated.

For so many reasons, I don't think he gets enough credit in this list. I'm not dissing on Dylan to say that.

If it were for Country, I'd say Hank Williams & George Jones are top 2
If it were for Blues, I'd say Freddy & BB
If it were for Disco I'd say the BeeGees or Vinny Violin lol



But for ROCK???? He's the guy who started it all and STILL #2 in all time sales, before you start counting his movies grossing 62 million?

I'd like to see any of you try that!





Yea, if we're speaking about historical significance in rock-n-roll, then I think they can keep the Top 3 thusly until someone new comes along who can knock them off the perch

1. The Beatles
2. Elvis
3. Led Zepplin