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#229219 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:03 pm
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:I am now King of The World and Plan No. 2 that every American of working age is REQUIRED TO DO:
get certified by a doctor as to your physical and mental status, in other words, if you are infirm both mentally and physically you will be put under some sort of program to rectify your mental or physical problem , if you are a nutter you will be drugged or electro-shocked to get your mind fit again, a fit mind on it's own initiative will always seek some sort of pastime that will benefit society as a whole, only unfit minds and bodies prefer to sit home watching soap operas, Springer and quaffing potato chips by the bag.. if you are diseased you will be put under a program to eradicate the disease to get you ready to be a part of the workplace..
this will alleviate the tremendous amount of money the tax dollars are spending on food stamps going to undeserving people.. if you are phsically limited then you will be a compueter data entry clerk or something rather than a field hand etc. :lol: :D


Did you actually write that dane? ARE YOU JOKING? Even mark couldn't come up with something as sick as that. :shock:

#229226 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:25 pm
Just kidding. I saw the humor. You gonna watch the pro bowl?

#229246 by Slacker G
Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:23 pm
There are a good many people that work part time jobs on the down low but still soak the taxpayers by claiming government benefits through lying about their income or hiding it completely.

Having a job is just part of the equation. The other depends on your morality. I know of many people who are doing quite well on undeclared income that are still soaking the taxpayers. This country is full of them.

#229248 by DainNobody
Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:05 pm
Q. Hasn't there always been a wide gulf between the richest people and the poorest?

A. Yes. What's new is the widening gap between the wealthiest and everyone else. Three decades ago, Americans' income tended to grow at roughly similar rates, no matter how much you made. But since roughly 1980, income has grown most for the top earners. For the poorest 20 percent of families, it's dropped. Incomes for the highest-earning 1 percent of Americans soared 31 percent from 2009 through 2012, after adjusting for inflation, according to data compiled by Emmanuel Saez, an economist at University of California, Berkeley. For the rest of us, it inched up an average of 0.4 percent. In 17 of 22 developed countries, income disparity widened in the past two decades, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Q. So who are the top 1 percent in income?

A. They're bankers, lawyers, hedge fund managers, founders of successful companies, entertainers, senior managers and others. One trend: Corporate executives, doctors, and farmers made up smaller shares of the top 1 percent in 2005 than in 1979. By contrast, the proportion of the wealthiest who work in the financial and real estate industries has doubled. The top 1 percent earned at least $394,000 in 2012. Through most of the post-World War II era, the top 1 percent earned about 10 percent of all income. By 2007, that figure had jumped to 23.5 percent, the most since 1928. As of 2012, it was 22.5 percent.

Q. How has the middle class fared?

A. Not well. Median household income peaked in 1999 at $56,080, adjusted for inflation. It fell to $51,017 by 2012. The percentage of American households with income within 50 percent of the median — one way of measuring the middle class — fell from 50 percent in 1970 to 42 percent in 2010.

Q. Does it matter if some people are much richer than others?

A. Most economists say some inequality is needed to reward hard work, talent and innovation. But a wealth gap that's too wide is usually unhealthy. It can slow economic growth, in part because richer Americans save more of their income than do others. Pay concentrated at the top is less likely to be spent.

It can also trigger reckless borrowing. Before the 2008 financial crisis, middle class households struggled to keep up their spending even as their pay stagnated. To do so, they piled up debt. Swelling debt helped inflate the housing bubble and ignite the financial crisis. Experts note that the Great Depression and the Great Recession were both preceded by surging income gaps and heedless borrowing by middle class Americans.

Q. Has it become harder for someone born poor to become rich?

A. The evidence is mixed. Countries that have more equal income distributions, such as Sweden and other Scandinavian countries, tend to enjoy more social mobility. But a study released last week found that the United States isn't any less mobile than it was in the 1970s. A child born in the poorest 20 percent of families in 1986 had a 9 percent chance of reaching the top 20 percent as an adult, the study found — roughly the same odds as in 1971.

Other research has shown that the United States isn't as socially mobile as once thought. In a study of 22 countries, economist Miles Corak of the University of Ottawa found that the United States ranked 15th in social mobility. Only Italy and the Britain among wealthy countries ranked lower. By some measures, children in the United States are as likely to inherit their parents' economic status as their height.

Q. So why has income inequality worsened?

A. There's no simple answer. Globalization has created "superstars" and concentrated pay among corporate executives, Wall Street traders, popular entertainers and other financial elite. At the same time, factory workers now compete with 3 billion people in China, India, eastern Europe and elsewhere who weren't working for multinational corporations 20 years ago. Many now make products for Apple, Intel, General Motors and others at low wages. This has depressed middle-class pay. And pay has risen much faster for college graduates than for high-school graduates. These trends have contributed to a "hollowed out" labor market, with more jobs at the higher and lower ends of the pay scale and fewer in the middle.

Social factors contribute, too. Single-parent families are more likely to be poor than other families and less likely to ascend the income ladder. Finally, men and women with college degrees and high pay are more likely to marry each other and amplify income gaps.

Q. Does wealth distribution follow a similar pattern?

A. It's even more pronounced. A Pew Research Center study found that the wealthiest 7 percent of households grew 28 percent richer from 2009 through 2011. For the bottom 93 percent, collective wealth fell 4 percent. That's largely because wealthy households own far more stocks and other financial assets than others. By contrast, whatever wealth middle-class Americans have is mainly in their home equity.

Since the Great Recession ended, stock-market averages have soared, setting records in 2013. Home values, though, remain far below their peaks reached in 2006. That divergence has benefited the richest and left others struggling.

Q. Where do the 1 percent live?

A. Investor Warren Buffett famously lives in Omaha, Neb. Les Wexner, whose fashion empire includes Victoria's Secret, is an Ohioan. But the wealthy mainly cluster around the largest cities. Of the 515 U.S. billionaires, 96 live around New York City, according to the intelligence firm Wealth-X. Los Angeles is home to 22, Chicago 21, San Francisco 20, Houston 14. Millionaires are more widely dispersed. Maryland has the highest concentration. Of all its households, 7.7 percent have $1 million or more in financial assets. New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii and Alaska have the next-highest concentrations, according to a report from Phoenix Marketing International.

Q. Is anything being done to narrow the wealth gap?

A. President Barack Obama has made the issue a priority and wants the government to act to reduce the disparities. The president managed to restore higher tax rates on incomes above $398,350 last year. And he's pushed other steps that might narrow the gap slightly, such as a higher minimum wage. But congressional Republicans say those steps could hurt economic growth and have resisted most such measures.

Q. Is everyone concerned about the wealth gap?

A. Some conservative economists question much of the data. They note, for example, that Saez's figures don't include government benefits, such as Social Security or food stamps, or employer payments for health insurance, that benefit the less-than-rich. Yet the Congressional Budget Office did include government benefits and the effect of taxes in its own study and still found a sizable gap: For the top 1 percent, income jumped 275 percent, adjusted for inflation, from 1979 to 2007. For the middle 60 percent of Americans, it grew less than 40 percent.

Q. So what do experts say is the best way to shrink the wealth gap?

A. Most ideas break down along political lines. Liberal economists tend to support a higher minimum wage, greater access to pre-school and college education and more spending on roads, bridges and other infrastructure to help generate good-paying jobs. Most favor higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for such programs.

Conservatives tend to back tax cuts, government deregulation and other steps they say will accelerate hiring and growth and raise living standards for everyone. They tend to focus on the need to advance income mobility.

In a speech this month, Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio acknowledged the enormous pay disparity between a fast food company's cashier and its CEO.

"The problem we face is not simply the gap in pay between them, but rather that too many of those cashiers are stuck in the same job for years on end," Rubio said.

#229252 by DainNobody
Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:37 pm
answer is simple: follow the lead of PRESIDENT EISENHOWER and tax household income as Mr. Eisenhower did:

During the administration of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower, a 92 percent marginal income tax rate for top earners in the United States remained from the previous administration of Harry S. Truman. At the time, the highest tax bracket was for income over $400,000.

This was nearly the highest tax rate for top earners in the century, just under the 94 percent rate for income over $200,000 instated during World War II under Franklin D. Roosevelt's presidency.

In 1954, the 92 percent marginal rate decreased to 91 percent under Eisenhower. The maximum tax on long-term capital gains was 25 percent -- a rate that remained in place for a decade.

#229257 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:17 am
Dane that was a very detailed report with a wealth of quotes. The bottom line is that 2% pay 90% (or more) of the federal taxes that support our government. Short of outright theft what else is left for our government to tax.

Well I'll put it this way once again... That major corp General Mills can produce a box of CHEERIOS for 20 cents. By the time that box hits the store shelves it has been taxed over and over again. Now it's 4 bucks or more. If you need the details I will detail.

Who pays that? It is like a red light camera that nails a driver for the smallest violation of the LETTER of the law.

Who is paying for all this? The poorest that are being taxed tremendously by a government that says it it trying to help them. YEAH, like charging some one with a food stamp voucher 9% sales tax.

Yeah and that's on a box of Cheerios that is taxable as a prepared food. :shock:

#229283 by Slacker G
Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:18 pm
Q. So what do experts say is the best way to shrink the wealth gap?

I know, if you are truly interested in something other than the agenda the con men are pushing.. Use your brain and find a field that gives you the opportunity to advance based upon what you bring to the work environment. That is the way it has been done for those not inheriting a pile of money.

Simply be creative and find something other people need / want... and provide that service. Then drop the gimme your money BS. Your greed and dissatisfaction will consume you in the end. Success has been and can be achieved by nobodys. It is God who prospers whom he wishes to prosper. Pissing and moaning about other peoples success is detrimental to your own. If you have land, if you have a home, if you are clothed and fed then you have all that you truly need. Hundreds of millions of people only dream of having those basic things.

The other way is the Biblical way. Give God thanks for what you have and do not envy or covet what your brother has. All counting other peoples success without making an effort to insure yours only brings dissatisfaction and division.

But then the Communist/Marxist/Socialist way is to point out income disparagement and bring division until only those leading the party have all the money. Check and see how many crooked politicians (that includes pretty much every one of them) have become millionaires or billionaires since they went into the government con game?

That is where we are headed. Ever take note that the Leaders in China, North Korea, Mexico, Russia, and in every other totalitarian regime only the "leaders" live like royalty while the people scrounge for food shelter and clothing? Right now the politicians are depending on the greed and covertness of the people to secure their positions of complete power. As soon as the politicians pushing the Utopian Society achieve that to their satisfaction they will turn on those who supported them.

Anyone who can't see that truly has their head up their a$$. History repeats itself. :)

#229289 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:29 am
As usual the point missed is that God has no problem with wealth... But our government has become so powerful that all those government, tax payed jobs have to be protected.

Our government has run out of creative ways to TAX EVERY ONE. They don't have any ability to create wealth only take and destroy. We have become a nation that wants to make the rich poor.

It used to be that we were a nation that wanted to allow the opportunity for the poorest to accumulate wealth.

Unfortunately that has been taken away. People with power in elected positions don't want any one to have wealth. That would, could, or will interfere with all plans of absolute CONTROL.

Funny how guns fall under that same "GET RID OF LIST".

#229311 by Slacker G
Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:10 pm
As usual the point missed is that God has no problem with wealth... But our government has become so powerful that all those government, tax payed jobs have to be protected.

Those who believe God would want want everyone to be equal fail to observe that Solomon, Saul, or King David had anyone under them that was not as wealthy as they were. (And the list goes on) It is God who prospers a man for his purpose.

The people that believed in God back then had more common sense than to judge God for the wealth that he gave to some.

#229315 by DainNobody
Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:12 pm
Slacker G wrote: As usual the point missed is that God has no problem with wealth... But our government has become so powerful that all those government, tax payed jobs have to be protected.

Those who believe God would want want everyone to be equal fail to observe that Solomon, Saul, or King David had anyone under them that was not as wealthy as they were. (And the list goes on) It is God who prospers a man for his purpose.

The people that believed in God back then had more common sense than to judge God for the wealth that he gave to some.
I'm probably not as devout as you my friend, Slacker, but I do pride myself on my nature, when It comes to having honest relations with my brother man, but I do believe there is something in the Bible that says something akin to "thou shall not be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast" ..it seems on the ebay message boards I am hearing more ebay members complaining about the ability for MOST sellers/buyers to do exactly that.. something, spiritual or cosmic, is creating this phenomenon of not being able to buy or sell quite readily the last six months or so.. many blame it on the new Cassini search engine ebay rolled out, many blame obamacare sucking up the last few available dollars every month the family might have had.. lack of a decent wage in most jobs that are scarcely available also is not helping.. the super rich only need so many yachts for their pleasure, but their money keeps piling up, because everbodys food and clothing costs are relatively the same.. the poor barely have enough dollars for food..

#229317 by DainNobody
Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:31 pm
and while we are all talking about God and his most noble abilities, we alsoo need to point out a biblical character known as JOB.. he was the dude, that God allowed the Devil to torture to teach us all a lesson.. and most of you religious people prolly don't know what the lesson was in that? do ya?

#229320 by Slacker G
Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:58 pm
Yes I have read Job, and I would inform you that there is more than simply one lesson to be learned in that account.

I was also reminded that pride was the devils downfall as you boasted of your pride. So you are a Christian? How do your ethics allow you to criticize God concerning whom he makes rich? Doesn't everything belong to God to do with as he pleases? Do you not know that God blesses both the good the evil to suite his purpose?

How do you support the theft of money from those who work hard for it and find it noble to give to those who do not deserve it? If you truly wish to be noble, then give of that which God has given to you. Do not be as the those who steal from the working man and give to the lazy for political reasons. Have you no understanding? It is wrong to steal from anyone for any purpose. How is it that you support the lawlessness of this regime? If you belong to God ask him to open your eyes for you are blind as to what is going on in this country.

After Job was through with his trial God gave him far more than what he owned in the beginning. Don't forget that part. And should I remind you that Job was a capitalist yet God rewarded him with far more? God believes in excess? It is God who chose some men to be wealthy as it is God who chose some to be poor. There are many examples of capitalism in the Bible yet God did not make it a point to reprimand any of them. Libs always grab the Bible to reprove those who know God. They say that in Acts believers sold what they had and shared it with those who had need. (Did they not know that they could simply go to the emperor and tell him to tax everyone more and take care of the poor so that they would not be bothered with it?) Do they forget that it was their choice to do what they wished with what God had given each of them? It was not a treatise for Communism or Marxism or Socialism.

My friend, the beast has not yet been revealed to men. Therefore the mark has not been given to men. If you read the Bible, then ask God for understanding.

It is God who watches out for those who belong to him, be they rich or poor, for both belong in the family of God. God also sees the brat that whines when his brother receives a gift from his father that he considers better than the gifts he believes he has been given They are as little spoiled brats filled with envy and covertness envying the gift their father has given to their brother instead of being grateful for what they have been given and minding their own business. They are busybodies one and all. Perhaps you should reread the 10 "suggestions" .... as some see them.

I do not consider anyone a "lesser Christian", for God apportions faith according to the need of the individual. Therefore faith is distributed by God as is also wealth, none of it is our own doing. So perhaps Christians should quit looking at their brothers wallet with envy and stop justifying why he shouldn't have the wealth that God has allowed him to have.

Just a suggestion. :)

#229322 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:40 pm
Simple explanation of what is really going on at a mankind level...

Subject: Saul Alinsky was a very clever guy ....

Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 – June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing.

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you can create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.

2) Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt – Increase debt to an unsustainable level. That way you will be able to increase taxes – and this will produce more poverry.

4) Gun Control – Remove the ability for citizens to defend themselvees from the government. That way you will be able to create a police state.

5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (food, housing, and income).

6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion – Remove belief in the God from the government and schools.

8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Does any of this sound like what is happening in the United States?

#229325 by DainNobody
Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:56 am
nope Slacker, Job was given to Satan by GOD'S permission to do what he want with him.. God does not protect in some cases, but ALLOWS the Satan to attack a one time successful individual such as Job.. all the homeless in the soup lines, those sleeping on a pavement stone in front of a heated grate, could have once been WEALTHY but look what that wealth will do for you, one God decided to give you up to Satan to torture you at will.. :cry:

#229330 by greg568585
Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:15 am
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:nope Slacker, Job was given to Satan by GOD'S permission to do what he want with him


Not entirely true,there were limitations put on satan as to what he could do to Job by God,satan could not take his life , while you question God remember
Through all that he was subjected to, Job kept his faith in God
Slacker corrected me on a previous post and I had to go back and read my
Bible again but I learned a truth I was not aware of but it was there in Romans .
Please be careful when you speak on behalf of God , he is listening
Humility works well for me

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