General Music Chat

"Starfish Scott"

3 years? Geeze, I hope it doesn't take him that long to figure it out.
He seems like he has backing and support now, so why 3 years?

If you think that's too long, then you've got no idea what it takes. That's the fast lane.

America is a big place to start from scratch for a foreigner trying to break into the shreds of a music business. It takes time to build a network that covers the entire nation well. We've made a 5 year plan but he should start breaking in big way by the time his 2nd CD releases and he tours that around.....about 3 years.

But he will continue to have successes along the way. His west coast tour in February "could" break him but I'm figuring he'll need at least 3 more tours to be the first Polish artist to really break into American pop music.

You can have god almighty as a producer, if the people don't like him, he's screwed regardless of what you or the producer du jour think.

You missed the obvious point that the 4 legendary Producers he's working with know what they are doing, and believe he's got what it will take. I consider their opinions as more authoritative than someone who has never had a hit record. They have put their own time/money on the line for a reason.

And because of who they are, I think God Almighty must be behind him, too.

Get a grip and let people decide for themselves instead of trying vainly to ram it down our throats.

I haven't done that in the slightest way?!

It was made clear that I didn't expect anyone here to like his style personally, but I did think someone would recognize that he's talented, and a few did. For those who didn't recognize it, that says a lot more about you than him.

He already has seen more high-level success over a sustained period (20+ years) than anyone in this conversation. Now it's only a matter of exporting that success, and he's got the team to do it. It will happen...I'm only letting you see how it starts.

You sound like a poorly written press release

Thanks for your opinion of me for having an opinion. You sound like an insecure bitter loser when you do that.

It's so easy to disparage and criticize others. One can often tell who is a real professional and who isn't by that alone.




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Yod - I wish you luck in this endevour, but "pop"? No way this guy's music is going to fall into that category these days.
Current pop stars: Adele, Beyonce, Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry ....you get the idea, I hope.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, Yod.

I surmise that's why you push so hard and are getting mad.
There is no magic key that guarantees success, YOU especially should be aware of this by now.

Talk with your product, not with your mouth.

Regardless, I wish him well. Maybe he'll even succeed, who knows?

You are free to think what you like, just like the rest of us will think what we like. You can't force something that isn't working, YOU are a testament to that all by yourself.

Otherwise you just come off like a bitter old guy with an axe to grind.
I hope it all works the way you want it to, but don't despair if it doesn't.

That's life man, get used to it. Things seldom work out the way we want them to, but the real hardened people just keep doing what they do and forget the hype because HYPE ISN'T REAL.

But feel free to be as angry as you need to be, it's therapeutic. lol

First of all, I haven't been the least bit upset or angry even once. Amazed at the ignorance about what it takes to succeed maybe, but angry? You must be projecting your own insecurity onto me?

I've been doing this long enough to know that circumstances changes with every day and if the wheels fall off, big deal? You adapt and keep rolling.

I've started and run successful bands and businesses since the late 70s. I don't know how to quit, so I can't imagine why you think success is a matter of fate and chance. Mietek is already a wildly successful artist and that will continue to expand over the next years, multiplying into America. He can only fail if he quits trying.

And by the way, there is one thing that determines success. It's not talent, IQ, connections, or money. It's grit; and we're working with a team of people who have been successful at the highest levels of the music biz for longer than than many in this conversation have been alive, in some cases.

So go ahead and project your own fears and doubts on Mietek if you want. They just bounce off.


And I'm smiling when I say that! .

Like I've said a few times now....time will tell. It will be a lot of fun in the meantime...



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Yod - I wish you luck in this endevour, but "pop"? No way this guy's music is going to fall into that category these days.
Current pop stars: Adele, Beyonce, Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry ....you get the idea, I hope.

Point conceded, but the word "pop music" also includes jazz/r&b/singer-songwriters/roots artists who break into the popular music catagory, and that's what I meant.



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Yod - I wish you luck in this endevour, but "pop"? No way this guy's music is going to fall into that category these days.
Current pop stars: Adele, Beyonce, Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry ....you get the idea, I hope.

Point conceded, but the word "pop music" also includes jazz/r&b/singer-songwriters/roots artists who break into the popular music catagory, and that's what I meant.



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A musician thats been doing this for a while soon learns it is about tenacity. I learned early on in life not to listen to folks that tell me I can't do something. Dang it I'll do it just to prove them wrong.

I think people forget that "pop" stands for "popular music". If this guy somehow became the next big thing he would be pop. It doesn't matter if the current definition of pop is Miley and Katy, it changes like the wind.

I think people forget that "pop" stands for "popular music". If this guy somehow became the next big thing he would be pop. It doesn't matter if the current definition of pop is Miley and Katy, it changes like the wind.

Jimmy, for any disagreements we might have on politics, I know you are a consummate pro musician and respect that greatly. I'm only here to hang out with people who know what it's like to sweat it out in rehearsal and then bring it to the venue

Thank you for being open-minded and fair about this guy. He doesn't have much of a chance to be as big as the next teen-sensation, but as big as Buble? Many influential people think so, and invested time/money to get skin in the game. We couldn't get started until the first english-language CD came out on Oct 1. He's already halfway through recording the follow-up to that. In other words, the commitment and a long-term plan is underway and it's not going to stop, short of a catastrophe.

The awesome thing about being a "franchise" (band, artist, etc) in the music world is that the sky really is the limit. There are infinite possibilities for upward mobility for those who work smart. I'm acutely aware that those who don't work smart can lose it all quickly, too.

Like starting any franchise, it will take a little bit of luck, but that always comes; its just a matter of time before preparation meets opportunity. Mietek has so many high-level contacts in the USA already, that it is realistic to expect that to be a shorter amount of time than otherwise.

But this is how a successful business happens. We make a plan that we honestly believe in and take the shot. I've never started a business "hoping" that it would work. There has to be a very good chance of it, for me to make a long-term plan.

This guy is going to succeed or I wouldn't be putting my own music career aside to help him. In the act of doing that, my own career is taking a quantum leap forward by osmosis, so I'll follow this road wherever it is leading.

Happily!

I'm stubborn . . . I'm going to do what I know I'm called to do.

Damn the torpedoes

It's understood that all of us guitar players, including me, like a more raw brand of rock n roll musically than what Mietek does.

All? Seriously?

Michael Buble is a phenomenal singer. Smooth, powerful, great range, impeccable phrasing and pronunciation. In my opinion he blows Sinatra out of the water.

This guy is phenomenal whether any of you can see it or not.

But the edge in your "voice" indicates something more....are you still sore about the "drinking of beer by christians" debate?

Like I even remembered you were in on that discussion much less anything you might have said there.

depending purely on one's personal preference.

GAH!!!

This guy is phenomenal whether any of you can see it or not.

depending purely on one's personal preference.

One of the Producers we are working with is HB Barnum and he disagrees with your assessment.

Seriously? You just shared the opinion of some random guy on the web (me) with the big time producer? What?

Having a voice is only part of what makes someone successful at that level. A lot of systems have to come together at the right time, and who you know is as important as who you are.

Yes, clearly. People without voices make it all the time. Brittany Spears and Tpain for instance.

Just remember his name. If you haven't heard about him in major media within the next 3 years I will humbly concede your excellent prophetic ability.

What?! Dude, straight up you're weird.
I just think he is unremarkable. He might "make it". I don't have a dog in this fight. But man you have been really weird in this exchange.

You are rather full of something, aren't you?

Get a grip and let people decide for themselves instead of trying vainly to ram it down our throats.

You sound like a poorly written press release.

That's what I'm seeing too.

What?! Dude, straight up you're weird.

you are too....so what?

Yod, being so defensive is indicative of something. I don't know what.

Regardless, I wish him well.

As for putting aside what you do because you think he's going to win the magic sandwich? You must be silly!!!
Never stop what you do to be involved with someone else unless you are giving up what you do. That's just not a good practice. There is time for everything.

I asked my buddy's Polish wife to be last night about Mietek and she never heard of him. So I kind of doubt he's a megastar in Poland unless he's very new.

And yeah you sound angry AND defensive.

I think if you were more positive feeling about him, you wouldn't be so sensitive because you'd let it all run off you. Whether people think one way or another shouldn't color what you feel about it if you really believe in him.

Don't be angry or feel set upon, it's a discussion not a war crimes trial.

I need more data than two English speaking songs.
First impressions? 'Polish Idol' winner, with 'Indie style' Eddie Vedder type charisma.
Easily as good looking as Jimmy danger.

Without the machine behind him - no chance of breaking in the u.s.

Since it IS behind him, of course he will break here.
The beast gets what it wants.

A beer sounds good right now.

Fortunately I have a 24 pack in the studio fridge.

I promise I'll look real close to be sure there is no "sin" floating around in the bottom before I drink it . . . ice cold.

And yeah you sound angry AND defensive.

I think if you were more positive feeling about him, you wouldn't be so sensitive because you'd let it all run off you. Whether people think one way or another shouldn't color what you feel about it if you really believe in him.

Don't be angry or feel set upon, it's a discussion not a war crimes trial.

Mietek is getting the same treatment that a newbie gets when they visit the bandmix forums. A few professionals mixed in with a few haters and losers.

Just because I pushed back when you and another person tried to insult him and me doesn't mean that your opinion has done anything but provide sideshow entertainment.

If you think I'm angry, you're an idiot that thinks your opinion matters. All I see is someone who keeps projecting their own fear/insecurity...and it keeps bouncing off. You have only shown ignorance about what it takes to succeed as a recording artist/musician, and foolishly I try to help you with insight. Ok, I'll stop giving flowers to a monkey.

Like I said a few times already....I'm confident that time will tell.

Extremely.




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