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Charles Barkley and I agree on this one. I didn't see that coming.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... rdict.html

I think you're drinking while you're thinking.

We shoot cans with a .9mm/.38 caliber over here and we shoot through cinder block walls with a .357 magnum. If you don't see the difference, I suggest you get a new pair of glasses.

Another relevant example is when we shoot watermelons. Yeah they're big and they go splat when you shoot them. No harm done.
When you shoot a melon with a 9mm it's a basically a "through and through". When you shoot a melon with a .357, it rearranges the lunar surface unless it flat out explodes depending on size of melon.

I know you never actually shot a .357 mag or we'd not be having this conversation.
And don't quote from a NRA magazine, if you don't actually know from personal experience. There are MANY variations on both loads, the caliber only talks about the size of the projectile.

The premise is that that stupid dick shouldn't had a gun at all.
He wasn't at home, on his own property and he was about as untrained as they come, unless being related to a judge qualifies you in a bigger way than is currently discernible.

The judge's kid got away with murder. ssdd Someone else is dead.
Let's round everyone up we don't like and shoot them. That's the hillbilly way and I'm ok with that. Let's get as ignorant as possible, I excel in those situations.

Race isn't an issue here to me, but evidently it is to you.
White, brown, yellow, green, purple, no one should have to die like this.

And if you are so stupid as to allow someone to yank you from a car, without even a gun in your face, you deserve what you get.

Dane, he looks like a beach ball to me.
Maybe fat is the new stylish? I must of missed that one.

You come on my property, yeah I'd probably shoot you first and ask questions later if there was anything left. But I would never go out on a volunteer to an AO I wasn't assigned to, packing a gun. It just creates the propensity for disasters like this nonsense.

I wonder how many copycat shooters we'll have now.

Next you are going to regale me with your knowledge of ballistics, right?
Going to tell me how .41 is about the same as .44 magnum>? LOL

f**k nutters abound.

If you don't know about something, try asking an expert that you know and trust instead of presuming that because diameters are similar, it must be a similar round..it's no where even close.

I stopped shooting .357 magnum rounds, because it was basically tearing my trigger finger off my hand every time I let off a round. I've tried the auto-loader version as well. That's just as bloody awful.

A .38/ 9mm, which is basically interchangeable in some guns, is a light little shitty round that you can put on the bulls-eye each and every time with no effort. (no recoil to speak of)

A .357 magnum is a whole different birthday cake. It has so much power and recoil that it's a real effort to keep the rounds on target even shooting at blank. It takes a method to shoot correctly.

No one ever got a shiner from the recoil on a 9mm, either.
Plenty of people get shiners, chipped teeth and the like just from target shooting the .357 because there is so much power and recoil with that load.

Did the NRA magazine tell you that as well?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuxtFrLSxKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34L2ZZTgv1o

Charles Barkley ought to know. He's rumored to have shot a few people as well but not likely in self-defense. lol

http://www.ballistics101.com/357_magnum.php
http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm.php

Party on...

I think you're drinking while you're thinking.

We shoot cans with a .9mm/.38 caliber over here and we shoot through cinder block walls with a .357 magnum. If you don't see the difference, I suggest you get a new pair of glasses.

Another relevant example is when we shoot watermelons. Yeah they're big and they go splat when you shoot them. No harm done.
When you shoot a melon with a 9mm it's a basically a "through and through". When you shoot a melon with a .357, it rearranges the lunar surface unless it flat out explodes depending on size of melon.

I know you never actually shot a .357 mag or we'd not be having this conversation.
And don't quote from a NRA magazine, if you don't actually know from personal experience. There are MANY variations on both loads, the caliber only talks about the size of the projectile.

The premise is that that stupid dick shouldn't had a gun at all.
He wasn't at home, on his own property and he was about as untrained as they come, unless being related to a judge qualifies you in a bigger way than is currently discernible.

The judge's kid got away with murder. ssdd Someone else is dead.
Let's round everyone up we don't like and shoot them. That's the hillbilly way and I'm ok with that. Let's get as ignorant as possible, I excel in those situations.

Race isn't an issue here to me, but evidently it is to you.
White, brown, yellow, green, purple, no one should have to die like this.

And if you are so stupid as to allow someone to yank you from a car, without even a gun in your face, you deserve what you get.

Dane, he looks like a beach ball to me.
Maybe fat is the new stylish? I must of missed that one.

You come on my property, yeah I'd probably shoot you first and ask questions later if there was anything left. But I would never go out on a volunteer to an AO I wasn't assigned to, packing a gun. It just creates the propensity for disasters like this nonsense.

I wonder how many copycat shooters we'll have now.

Next you are going to regale me with your knowledge of ballistics, right?
Going to tell me how .41 is about the same as .44 magnum>? LOL

f**k nutters abound.

If you don't know about something, try asking an expert that you know and trust instead of presuming that because diameters are similar, it must be a similar round..it's no where even close.

I stopped shooting .357 magnum rounds, because it was basically tearing my trigger finger off my hand every time I let off a round. I've tried the auto-loader version as well. That's just as bloody awful.

A .38/ 9mm, which is basically interchangeable in some guns, is a light little shitty round that you can put on the bulls-eye each and every time with no effort. (no recoil to speak of)

A .357 magnum is a whole different birthday cake. It has so much power and recoil that it's a real effort to keep the rounds on target even shooting at blank. It takes a method to shoot correctly.

No one ever got a shiner from the recoil on a 9mm, either.
Plenty of people get shiners, chipped teeth and the like just from target shooting the .357 because there is so much power and recoil with that load.

Did the NRA magazine tell you that as well?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuxtFrLSxKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34L2ZZTgv1o

Charles Barkley ought to know. He's rumored to have shot a few people as well but not likely in self-defense. lol

You still didn't answer the question. If he was shot with a 9mm at the same range with the bullet taking the same trajectory, would he be as dead? If he shot him with a 22 mag at that range would he still be as dead? You can't answer that can you. You do not know enough about what actually went on. You are simply nothing but a back seat juror going against those that found him innocent.

But all that is irreverent because T wasn't shot with a .357 mag, unless Z was loading his Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm pistol with .357 mag rounds. And we both know that isn't possible.

Z was in an area that was having a lot of break ins. So was he supposed to purchase a smaller pistol to defend himself against the crooks in case they may have been armed. What do watermelons have to do with the short range that M was shot? How informed are you about the autopsy report? How do you know that it would make any difference as to his living or dying? And who are you to imply that you know what Z should have been carrying? He can purchase any pistol of any caliber that he wants to. Even though this is no longer a free country, there are no laws on the books telling Americans what pistol is government approved, or back seat jury approved either.

Who said anything about a .41 being the same and a .44??? I certainly didn't nor do did I even imply that.

Who said anything about the recoil when Z fired at M?? And just what does that have to do with the price of tacos in Argentina? If you believe that Z couldn't handle his weapon, then wouldn't that make a crook safer? If that logic prevails, then why wouldn't you want him to carry a .44 mag or a .50?
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The premise is that he shouldn't even have had a gun?? Really??? And who are you to decide which Americans can own a weapon and dictate what caliber that weapon should be? He obviously went through a background check and a pistol safety course to ge a carry. But you know better huh? That is exactly the problem we have today. Gun owners deciding what exactly other gun owners choose to own. I have heard gun owners say "Yeah. no one needs to have an AR-15." Really??? We have division even within the ranks of second amendment owners due to liberal brainwashing.

And lets get the guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. Well mentally ill covers a lot of territory. Perhaps we should get guns out of the hands of the homicidal, but from every mental illness that have no relationship to responsibility?

Guys like you are bringing division with in our ranks as gun owning 2nd amendment supporting legal responsible gun owners by stating who should own what and which guns should be allowed for others to own and carry. You should respect the freedom of anyone to choose what they wish to carry or own.

The great divider has gun owners fighting amongst themselves by agreeing with those who wish to take our rights which guns are suitable under the second. Friggin wake up or you will assist them is taking our choices away one pistol at a time, one rifle at a time, one shotgun at a time.

Gun owners can not remain divided as to who shall be able to own what. If you don't see it that way then you deserve the nanny state taking away your second amendment rights under false pretenses. He has turned the ignorant masses against us and evidently he has also divided us within our very own ranks. I think everyone has the right to own and carry unless they have proven to have anti social homicidal tendencies. And the only way to ferret those out is to take away all our guns because they seldom reveal those traits until the last moments. Get real. You don't ban cars because some jerk drives into a sidewalk full of people. You don't ban knives because someone sliced someone else up with a steak knife. And you should not need go through a background check to purchase a pressure cooker.

sh*t happens. I just heard that 11,000 people have been shot since this fiasco began. Hear about any of them on the news? Over a dozen were shot in Chicago in the last few weeks. Any news about them? Kids do stupid things, and when they do something stupid it is good that they suffer the consequences when it may cost someone their life..

How many time have I said I can't watch vids or that I can no longer listen to music because of my browser?

So fearless leader said that M could have been him 28 years ago. He just won't let it rest. I would suggest that if it would have been him 28 years ago we wouldn't be in the Marxist Socialist mess that we are in today.

That's probably a different thread. (Obamas recent comment)
It's very inappropriate in my opinion.
I say, "You are the president of the United States. Act like it."

The media must be giving high 5's and fist pounds at their successful tactic to take one story and get everyone crotchety.

Not again. Not to me. I barely glimpsed at this sh*t...they tried to incite a riot last year too. The news loves its negativity...

A note on calibers in urban environments - Even though I often carried a .357 for sec work I filled the first three chambers with .38s. The latter don't have the knockdown power of the former, but rarely penetrate walls and doors, at least not as readily as the .357. (statistically, a gunfight happens in the dark, at no more than 7 meters, 3 shots fired)

I didn't let my armed guards carry .357 up front either. Just too dangerous in an urban environment. Blow right through the bad guy and the poor fellow down the street too.

It was developed IIRC for state police who wanted a round that would crack an engine block. Not sure if it met that requirement in all cases but it is a hot round.

It's a tossup as to what to carry to balance needed stopping power with too much penetration. Not for the cops though - we saw in LA and Boston that they will use assault rifles in residential neighborhoods if they are upset or frightened.

What should we carry?

The first real round with any stopping power is 9mm. .38 is kind of limp - improvable with +P hollow points. But at that point, .38 becomes as dangerous to civilians as .357, 9mm etc.

And then there are the 'quirks;' where 9mm is actually more apt to shoot through walls than the venerable .45, which is more apt to shoot through bad guys.

For personal defense though, go for the big stuff - just load your magazines or cylinders wisely. I recommend Glaser safety slugs - they will take down the bad guys in a very messy fashion yet fragment on hitting non-meat. Supposedly... They are expensive but then, how often do you get in gunfights?

And don't ask stupid questions like 'why don't the cops use Glasers?'

Talbot

That last paragraph is the perfect solution for security, Talbot. Too bad the big wigs aren't thinking more sensibly.

I made a delivery in a "gated" neighborhood yesterday. The homes were (as I estimate), at least $250,000. Do you think that neighborhood has an established neighborhood block watch? I'll bet not. In a gated neighborhood, I'll bet that all someone has to do is call the local police and say they have the heebe-jeebies and a cruiser would make the rounds. All out of context, we must understand that Zimmerman was a part of doing good in an area with a history in the lack of good, hence, the neighborhood watch. There is an area (for instance), in Columbus, that has had a lot of car windows pelleted out and tires flattened. Reports have been made. You know what the police would tell the victims: "Unless we have a witness..." I don't think Zimmerman thought out shooting another human being. I also do believe he knew enough about the neighborhood in which he lived- he knew he should be packing. People are fed up with the laws governing in favor of the criminal, not the victim. People making this a race thing are only saying-"what's wrong with a little property damage or breaking and entering? It happens all the time here. Just because Zimmerman was knocked down by a trained athlete hiding his identity- shoulden't give him the right to defend himself from bodily harm from this poor black child.

Totally manslaughter.
Zimmerman was absolutely responsible for escalating the situation. He wouldn't listen to what the dispatcher told him. He wanted to be the cop.

If some "security guard" wouldn't leave me alone and wouldn't get off me, I'd try to beat his ass too.

I guess you can harass someone till they punch you then shoot them because they punched you.

You are following the ugly racist line that keeps coming up.
Even the president of MY country got involved and made a racist comment.
Funny the involved parties were not "WHITE"
The evidence proved that this kid went beyond avoidance and the "Latino" actually attempted avoidance.
The whole thing was a tragedy. This happens daily in America and across the world. We should pray.

Instead all I see are racially motivated comments. All I see is lynch mobs that are not happy with the rule of law. All I see is the blatant twisting of and destruction of the law motivated by people that want nothing more than total destruction of America by all means possible.

This is just one little tiny excuse. You 2 suckers have bought into this HOOK,LINE, and SINKER! Go fish Bob.

Heard there is a bunch of new presidential stuff too.

And YES... I did just charge the President of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA with being a RACIST.

Why would he comment on a case such as this...
But allow his attorney general to look the other way... when the black panthers were harassing voters at a polling station .

The man is a racist. If you guys want to tolerate that... THAT'S DISGUSTING!!!!!

I agree... The underlying principle is to destroy AMERICA.

Why are you quoting yourself?

Why are you quoting yourself?

Because to many people are using the media to start a race war.

That includes our president and his whole administration... AND that is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen in my life.

hitler did the same thing to Germanys Jewish population, stallin did it to anyone that challenged his authority... They both had control of the media.

After all of this, all I see is a RACIST PRESIDENT!!! This has gone way beyond TM and GZ. SICK!!!!

That is why I'm quoting myself.

A head-shot is a head-shot..as we say.

Some shots are going to do the job the first time you hit depending. You're lucky if the round that hits you, kills you immediately.

You can come try to take my gun. lol I'll be keeping mine thanks..I seldom miss at short to effective range.

Maybe Yod should call the FBI. Slacker can keep panicking, it seems like a practiced task at this juncture.

I know only one thing for sure. Don't go off your own property with your gun. And don't stick you nose where it doesn't belong or you might get your hair parted by something other than a brush.

If you bring your gun to where I am, you better shoot me because I'd stick it up your ass and empty the thing in your anus.

And I advocate gun ownership fully, just to responsible people who know not to take it around and brag like they just got out of a bad movie.
It's for self-defense, not for neighborhood patrol where you don't live.

AR-15's are great. Just don't think you are bringing it to my neighborhood, because I'd put a piece of lead right in your dome.

You want to leave your gun at home, defend yourself and those you love? Great fine, just take some courses in firearm safety and know what the f**k you're doing.

Otherwise you aren't solving any problems, you are just creating more by being a moron with a hand cannon or worse.

Guns don't kill people, people use guns to kill people. It's just a tool.

I just thought of a bad joke...

"What do you get when you cross TM + GZ, a new story for TMZ"..(drum roll and cymbal crash)

And my buddy is looking over my shoulder here.. He wants to blurt out that "you don't need a stick of dynamite to crack a walnut".

Sorry Scott - I understand your "don't take your guns to town, son" position but I take mine where I go. I work an hour's ride from home and if sh*t breaks out, I need to get back to where I can defend those I care about.

Sometimes that takes a little deadly force. In GA many of us quite legally carry weapons in our cars. Unlike the bad guys, we rarely shoot anyone.

To show you how seriously I take deadly force as a last resort only - I was once in a pub after finishing a job that involved packing. A rather drunk, and extremely large Mexican guy came over and demanded that I pay for his drink. This was not a life threatening incident so I never considered what was under my arm in a shoulder holster. Instead, I quietly gripped a beer bottle and prepared to nail the fellow with it.

His friend saw what I was up to and grabbed the guy, apologized to me and that was that.

Now you know why I think that I'm the only person in the galactic quadrant who should carry firearms.

Talbot