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... You can shoot somebody you don't like in a dark alley, no witnesses, claim self defence and get off a free man. .

bullshit, all of it.

There were several witnesses who confirmed Z's testimony, and he passed several lie detector tests. The police on the scene held an investigation, and the FBI also held an investigation, both had the same conclusion. Assault is a crime and if you do it, don't be surprised if it turns out badly.

If you walk through a gated community and are then seen in someone's YARD (not the sidewalk or street) then you are suspicious, even in you're pink, purple, or blue.

If you then go punch a security guard, break his nose, beat his head into the concrete, and attempt to suffocate him for yelling "help" then you are THE ONLY PERSON responsible if that security guard shoots you in defense of his life.



It's amazing to me that the testimony of eye-witnesses has been ignored by the most trusted media broadcasting networks in the USA, and they have been disseminating a false narrative in it's place. Though the truth has been available from the beginning, so few want to know the truth.

What you are repeating are easily disproven lies. Someone wants you to go fight their fight for them. Think about that as you read this...

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This is all another tactic to divide America. This is just another distraction.

As Yod put it... This is all bull. Since this case was put on the front burner there have been over a thousand black on black murders and a thousand white on white murders and a thousand latino on latino murders...

This one is special... SOME ASSS THAT WAN'TS TO SPLIT THE COUNTRY...
Is playing the race card.

This is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

This is why men kill and men die? That was rhetorical. You are all a mess. You have abandoned the values that made America great. GOD and LOVE of your FELLOW MAN.

This case means NOTHING. The attitude it has shown, means everything.

Pray for our country.

This topic does not affect me on an emotional level. Frankly I could care less. It happens every day and what makes this case more important than the other young men that die innocently on the street everyday? Furthermore in my opinion you must be brain dead or a total blithering moron to believe that George Zimmerman is guilty of anything other than defending himself and watching out for his neighborhood. As I understand it was a 6 person jury all female 5 were black and 1 white. If the evidence pointed to guilt he wouldn't be free right now! So you racist can just move along nothing to see here.

... You can shoot somebody you don't like in a dark alley, no witnesses, claim self defence and get off a free man. .

bullshit, all of it.

There were several witnesses who confirmed Z's testimony, and he passed several lie detector tests. The police on the scene held an investigation, and the FBI also held an investigation, both had the same conclusion. Assault is a crime and if you do it, don't be surprised if it turns out badly.

If you walk through a gated community and are then seen in someone's YARD (not the sidewalk or street) then you are suspicious, even in you're pink, purple, or blue.

If you then go punch a security guard, break his nose, beat his head into the concrete, and attempt to suffocate him for yelling "help" then you are THE ONLY PERSON responsible if that security guard shoots you in defense of his life.



It's amazing to me that the testimony of eye-witnesses has been ignored by the most trusted media broadcasting networks in the USA, and they have been disseminating a false narrative in it's place. Though the truth has been available from the beginning, so few want to know the truth.

What you are repeating are easily disproven lies. Someone wants you to go fight their fight for them. Think about that as you read this...

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/10/doj-p ... z2Yg3Xc39w




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The whole thing could have been avoided if Zimmerman had simply called out something like this:"I with the neighborhood watch security, who goes there?" And if Martin had half a brain he would have told Zimmerman who he was and who he was visiting. Nothing would have happened. Instead, Zimmerman acted like a stalker and Martin sucker punched and beat his head on concrete. Both were wrong and one is dead. Sad.

Wait a minute...Who's to say Martin would've reacted in such a pacifistic way??? Most teens I know would tell the neighborhood security guy to shut the fuk up!

This was and is all about gun control. It is simply to intimidate legal carry Americans and an attempt to get states to change their "Stand your ground laws. No? Then why aren't we hearing of the hundreds of killings that happen in Chicago every year? And in other cities that already have the toughest gun laws in America on the books.

This regime was chomping at the bit to get someone with a legal carry in the limelight. Thus the race baiting and the weak case against him. Now reports are springing up that do not paint him as the teen that walked on water. I found a few pages of them but who knows how accurate they all are?



Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear

* The teen was suspended from school three times
* He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
* Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
* Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness
* Tearful parents say their son is now the victim of a smear campaign
* New poll shows 73 percent of Americans think Zimmerman should be arrested

By Daily Mail Reporter

PUBLISHED: 08:02 EST, 26 March 2012 | UPDATED: 22:55 EST, 27 March 2012

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Trayvon Martin was suspended from school three times in the months before he was shot dead by a neighborhood watchman, it emerged today.

The new claims, revealed in a leaked report, paint a different picture of a teenager who frequently found himself in trouble with authorities.

It was also revealed that he might have attacked a bus driver, according to a Twitter account that it is claimed belonged to the teen.

The Miami Herald claims that in October, he was caught with a 'burglary tool' - a flathead screwdriver - and 12 pieces of women's jewellery. Martin insisted that they did not belong to him.

Earlier, he had been suspended for skipping school and showing up late to class. And most recently, in February, he was suspended again when officials found a 'marijuana pipe' and an empty baggie with traces of the drug.

The fresh claims are likely to be seized upon by supporters of George Zimmerman who say the teenager launched an unprovoked attack on the neighbourhood watch volunteer moments before Trayvon was shot dead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -tool.html

Slack, I think you're probably right.

But... there are Stand your Ground laws, not Pursue and Harrass laws.
Even if he had the right to Pursue and harass, any self defense class in the country will tell you that it's not normally smart to do so.

And I just keep wondering... why would he (allegedly) be yelling or 'screaming' for help, if he had a gun?
Why would he try to physically restrain someone and wrestle with someone when he had the gun?

You can listen to the multiple 911 recordings and see, fairly easily, that there was a good deal of time between Z first reporting someone suspicious, and the time that they ended up in a physical conflict.

It's not self defense to me if you push the situation. Especially when you know that police are already on the way.

I don't get how it can be anything other than clear, that Z escalated the situation - even if the kid was a heinous thug, the rent-a-cop started the escalation because he didn't want him to "get away" with 'possibly' being up to no good.

My general point is, Zimmerman is responsible, which in most cases is manslaughter. It wasn't murder, it was just stupidity.
In this case it isn't manslaughter because of Florida law.

The main emotions that I have over this case are due to people trying to tell me that I didn't hear what I heard, that I didn't read what I read, and that I'm something that I'm not.

And... I hate rent-a-cops.

"Watch "AC360" on CNN TV at 8 p.m. for an exclusive interview with a juror from the George Zimmerman trial." -- CNN

So that should be interesting.

OK here is a better one for all you asssholes.

This especially includes the Gay Governor of the PISS POOR STATE OF NEW YORK.

I only bring this up because of his middle of the night political maneuvers to prove how tough he was on gun control.

On October 24 2012, 11 months ago...
The NYS Parole board released a felon convicted of attempted MURDER. This was under GOV CUOMOS WATCH.

October 25 2012, 11 months and 1 day... He acquired an illegal hand gun.

He carjacked an innocent bystander and blew his brains out. His name was mr Facia.
Later that day, a young 29 year old officer (esu) wasn't wearing any protective gear. (not that it would have helped) His name was Arthur Lopez... Father of 2 , on the force for 7 years , looking forward to having dinner at home and kissing his kids good night.

Any way this released parolee was named darryl fuller. I'm not going to mention he was black, because that would only obscure the important points.

darryl fuller BLEW THIS BEAUTIFUL 29 YEAR OLD OFFICER TO PIECES IN COLD BLOOD ON A TRAFFIC STOP.

Where the FUUCCKKK is all the outrage of the liberal media over this CRAAP!!!!

By the way fuller is an african american genuine piece of shiiit that NY's GOVERNOR SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF.

Thank you for allowing this under your watch.

Larz Larson reported on his show that they found a slim jim in the bushes where the innocent little football player that was bashing Zimmerman's head against the concrete had been earlier.

The more I see about this kid the more I believe that Zimmerman's instincts were right on. After all, this is about having suspicious feelings about this guy in the shadows walking in the rain. That is when buglers like to strike because everyone is inside watching TV or sleeping through rainy nights. Besides, that place where Zimmerman was keeping watch had a string of recent burglaries. That would be good enough for me to follow him.

If I saw some suspicious character walking around my house I would go to see what he was up to. And yes, I would be armed. I mean that I would be heavily armed. But that doesn't mean that I would want to shoot anyone. I would just be taking precautions.

If Larson is correct, what did this kid need with a slim jim? I can only think of one use for a slim jim. Do you suppose that he was looking to score some more "unclaimed" jewelery?

I watched the case like five times in a row
I still don't get what all the outcry is over
and now that I think about I don't care either
and don't say that I don't have feelings
I am just stating I have no clue so I'm walking away.

Simple fact: Zimmerman ignored instructions from 911 dispatch. Had he done what he was told, Martin would have lived through that night, and neither one would have gotten assaulted.

Zimmerman needs to be in jail on a manslaughter conviction. That would have been the correct verdict according to the law.

As far as testimony goes: it was also clear from testimony that Zimmerman was an overzealous neighborhood watch participant with a clear bend toward vigilantism. I would argue that it was an inevitability that Zimmerman would eventually get himself entangled in an altercation like this.

Zimmerman owned a gun precisely because he was willfully putting himself in dangerous situations. He went looking for trouble. Shamefully he found it and now a boy is dead.

Every parent in America should be petrified now at the precedent that this trial and verdict have set. Anyone can stalk your child with a gun now, "assume" they're up to no good, get into an altercation, pull their weapon "in self defense" and kill your son or daughter.

The part that makes me angry about this is that Zimmerman wasn't acting "in self defense". It was acting in defense of his own offense. He initiated the altercation. He put himself in the middle. He acted assertively instead of letting law enforcement do their job. He approached Zimmerman when the dispatcher told him not to. Zimmerman was the assailant here. He only pulled his gun when he started to lose a fight that he picked.

It's too bad Martin didn't beat his ass into unconsciousness that night. Maybe if Zimmerman would have got knocked out they both would still be alive, and maybe after an ass-whipping Zimmerman would have re-thought his vigilante lifestyle.

I tell you this much: I put myself in Martin's shoes, and if some guy started harassing me because he didn't like the way I looked or walked down a street at night, I'd have done the same thing Martin did: I'd have defended myself, and if need be I'd have put the beat-down on the guy. I'm sure I'd get shot too. But imagine if you're in that situation? What are you going to do? You have every right to walk down a street at night and not be accosted by a complete stranger who thinks everyone is up to no good.

The only person who was "defending" their self that night was Martin. Sadly, he died.

It's a sad day for America. This feels like the OJ trial all over.

Goes both ways.... again... Who's to say that Zimmerman ignored instructions?? YOU WEREN'T THERE..... How do you know Zimmerman listened to instructions but Martin attacked him?? YOU WEREN'T THERE... I'm sure if it were your child and some punk attacked him, you'd be praying that your child had a gun..I know I would!

Obviously the testimony that you claim portrayed Zimmerman as " an overzealous neighborhood watch participant with a clear bend toward vigilantism." was not soo believable.... now was it???

How do you know he was looking for trouble??? Were you hanging with him? ALL SPECULATION!!

How do you know Zimmerman picked that fight?? WERE YOU THERE???

If my kid was getting his ass kicked all alone with no one around, I'd gladly back him up for putting a bullet in that thug! Martin was no fukkin' angel... he was a PUNK!

"they found a slim jim in the bushes where the innocent little football player that was bashing Zimmerman's head against the concrete had been earlier. "

It's a HAPPY day for America... Maybe next time this won't happen so easily because these punks might get their brains blown to bits!!

Kerry

I tend to agree with you. I originally thought Zim had acted irresponsibly but after following the trial a bit - it turns out when police dispatch told him to stand down, he did. There had been 14 burglaries in his neighborhood and several times the burglars had been identified by witnesses as guess what? young black males.

He was getting in his truck when St. Trayvon hemmed him up. So let's see, what are the options: shoot this punk? or let him bash my head in?

I'll go with door number two.

The problem is that these thugs get away with so much, so often, that they are shocked when somebody shoots back.

I backed down three muggers one night with a little .25 and those bitches acted like I was a real mean guy and they was 'just playin'. I wasn't.

Talbot

Don't be so clueless folks.

It IS as I said. It is all about gun control. As soon as this racial instigator in chief said "If I had a son he would look just like him" the politicians began scurrying around, as cockroaches do, to legislate laws against the stand your ground laws. So while this mock trial was in session, regardless of what the outcome would be, these slimy bastards began working on gun legislation again to disarm law abiding citizens.

It has been said of tyrannical regimes like these.

"They will knock on the door to take your guns. Then they shall never knock again."

And all the while this phony outcry for "justice: was in progress, the seamy slimy cockroaches that call themselves legislators are and were making ways to destroy America because your attention was distracted from them. How about Benghazi, or the IRS scandal, or fast and furious, or any other number of things that have been eclipsed by these phony media "hot topics of the moment".

All these things are distraction to take control of America and remove your constitutional rights while you are suckered by the liberal agenda driven press and the power grabbing politicians to look where they want you to look.