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#217102 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:29 am
As some of you know, I played in a rock band for 15 years before I got "saved" and changed the lyrical content of my songs.

I remember going to a GMA (Gospel Music Association) conference in Dallas that was billed as "How to share the gospel through music". That was a subject I was interested in. It cost $40 to get in and you could submit a song for critique at $25 per song.

The place was full of people whose average age was over 30 (to be kind)

Well...I can't remember ever being offended at Christian music as much as I was that day. This should have been called "Strategy for being a celebrity in the Gnashville Christian music business machine"

They were selling dreams to dreamers. The thing they didn't mention even once was that no one in this room had any chance of being signed because of their age. Because I had learned this lesson in the world already, I was able to see that they were exploiting idolatry.

A few years later I was in Gnashville for the GMA national conference as a radio promoter. I went into a seminar where a few label owners were discussing what they look for in signing an artist. Again....halfway through this seminar they had not mentioned that EVERYONE in the room had no chance of being signed by them, so when they allowed questions I stood up and asked, "What is the cut-off age for signing a new artist?" and they fell right into my trap by quickly answering without considering how many people had paid dearly to hear their advice, and now knew their dreams had been dashed.

Oh boy....the room erupted in anger when everyone heard they are looking for singers between the ages of 14 and 18...with 22 being the limit. Yes, bands can be a little older but only if they have a track record of sales already. When I walked out of the room you could still hear the yelling down the hallway.

This is just reality. The labels expect a 10 year return on a large investment to break a band.

Touring is the biggest portion of an artist's success. Labels know that older artists will likely have families and not want to travel, whereas youngsters see travel as a fun adventure, and if they get married along the way, their spouses will expect that kind of lifestyle. So having "old" guys in the band does harm the chances of a record deal.

None of that should matter to a band who has no desire to be on the road all year. The record business is essentially dead to developing new artists. Over the last 15 years, the only groups being signed are those who are already developed a sound and are already selling. Age is not as critical as it used to be, but it is still a VERY large consideration.

I dated an 18 year old girl when I was 35. She was intellectually mature and extremely beautiful and a lot of fun to be around...but we couldn't relate on many things. When I'd talk about my kids, her eyes would gloss over because they were almost her age. As much as I thought I'd like having a young filly, it became obvious this wasn't going to work and I broke it off.

Likewise, when the lean seasons come to a band, if they can't relate on a personal level it will fall apart, and you'll be looking for a new member anyway, so you might as well find guys that can relate to you on as many levels as possible, including age.





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#217104 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:46 am
Yod that's a pretty heavy duty explanation you just threw out there.

Funny thing is that makes me appreciate just about everyone out there still playing. You know who you are... I don't have 2 hours to write all your names... BUT, thanks, you guys are the real MUSICIANS!!!!
#217107 by J-HALEY
Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:46 am
Planetguy wrote:ok, i know this subject has come up before....most recently in bob's "difficulty finding band member's" thread.

that whole MUST BE BETWEEN THE AGE OF __ AND ___ bit.

i've always played with anyone that can play regardless of their age. yeah, i get it... if you're a bunch of 16 yr old HS kids you probably don't want to play with someone your dad's or grandpappy's age (and the other way around too).

but when "serious" musicians put these kinds of restrictions on who they're willing to consider it casts real "serious" doubt on their priorities.

one of my favorite justifications (and this coming from bands of dubious talent) is ...."well, we won't be able to get signed if we have an old guy in the band." riiiiight, as if THAT is the only thing that could possibly prevent it from happening.

i've gotten so tired with being written off because i was over 35 (or whatever arbitrary age was deemed acceptable that in one ad i have up i included pics and this:

Pics are there 'cos mom love pics of her little boy....and for those whose first question and over riding concern is "how old are you?"

in another ad i've included this:

Relevant: that you can play and you're not a jerk

Irrelevant: your age... as long as you're old enough to drive to the gig and you're not too old to carry your own equipment.


Peg how ya been! :wink:

#217151 by Starfish Scott
Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:40 pm
lol Oh I should have expected that..

#217155 by MikeTalbot
Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:36 am
Glen

Exactly. We're still playing.

For peanuts - see Fisherman Bob's post about that. Or for nothing at all. You have to be high up the org chart to support yourself playing music. You either have a great stage show (cruise ships, Vegas) or you can put your originals across well enough to get noticed. Then there are orchestras and studio professionals. We, for the most part, aren't any of that.

But we are playing.

Last Friday night I played bass on a number of tunes with a pretty good outfit outside Atlanta. It was a trip to play on their originals! I get all balled up in my own stuff; so playing other people's work is like busting out of an egg shell - a lot of fun.

We are very fortunate people, we musicians. Despite our many differences we all share the wonderful blessing of being able to create and play music!

Talbot

#217207 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:37 pm
sanshouheil wrote:[img][img]http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm74/sanshouheil/CopyofDuelingguitars_zps1dfbfe7e.jpg[/img][/img]


However these guys should just put down the guitars and... RIDE SOME BULLS,,,, :lol:

Sorry, great pic.

#217208 by gbheil
Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:09 am
GLENNY J wrote:
sanshouheil wrote:[img][img]http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm74/sanshouheil/CopyofDuelingguitars_zps1dfbfe7e.jpg[/img][/img]


However these guys should just put down the guitars and... RIDE SOME BULLS,,,, :lol:

Sorry, great pic.


Was fun playing that rodeo arena, was hot, >100 F hot, and the grounds had just solidified after a week of heavy rain.
The smell was . . . :shock: :lol:

#217228 by MikeTalbot
Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:05 pm
For Goodness sake George - that one fellow is out of scale! Looks like David jamming with Goliath! 8)

Talbot

#217231 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:24 pm
Yeah it does! I think that was a great picture!!!!

#217245 by gbheil
Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:25 am
MikeTalbot wrote:For Goodness sake George - that one fellow is out of scale! Looks like David jamming with Goliath! 8)

Talbot



:lol: Yes . . . yes it does.

I'm 5'-8" and run about 180 lbs depending on what brand of beer I'm on.
JAX is well over 300 lbs.

But that is not all.
Scale can be deceiving.
check out these corn fed home boys.

[img][img]http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm74/sanshouheil/DSCN7381_zps1063474d.jpg[/img][/img]

Eric and I have a thousand pounds of musicians behind us. :lol:

#217247 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:40 am
THAT IS GREAT!!!!
:) :lol: 8) :D :) :arrow: :lol: :arrow: 8)

#217285 by MikeTalbot
Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:08 pm
George

You guys would get a better deal playing for grub than money! :wink:

Talbot

#217290 by gbheil
Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:59 pm
MikeTalbot wrote:George

You guys would get a better deal playing for grub than money! :wink:

Talbot



You should see our pizza bill on Thursday nights. :lol:

#217312 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:21 pm
Now thats just downright funny!!!!!!!

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