General Music Chat

But who is the most over paid guitarist?

I WISH it was me!

cheers!

John

Johnny Winter is hardly over-rated. Perhaps the record company bet too heavily on his initial impact but it would be very difficult to over rate his actual playing.

Though for a while I wished he would tone down the phaser a bit!

I still remember seeing his picture in a magazine - him in a pub NYC as they described this amazing albino guitar player from Texas. And so he was.

Talbot

I remember Rick Derringer saying once watching Johnny live that it seemed he was having a hard time finding his "positions" and was a mite sloppy, but when the slide came out it was the most amazing performance he had ever seen.. difference between night and day.. to this day, "Highway 61 Revisited" is one of my favorite tunes for listening pleasure.. might have been written by Dylan

Derringer produced the album Saints and Sinners performed by J. Winter.. kinda of an obscure album but really good..

In the pantheon of what are supposed to be "great" guitarists, as in technically outstanfing, Jimmy Page is absolutely over rated - but he's far from being the most over rated guitarist.
Ironically, like Cobain, it was his writing and riffs that changed the landscape.

Alex Lifeson is 'more' over rated.
Ace Freyley - big guitar hero, but more over rated than Page.

There are several others.

Stirred the pot I did indeed!!

Page is a great songwriter, but playing ability is the exact opposite

Stirred the pot some more!
Sir Jamsalot

Why Clapton? Clapton's not the best, but he is pretty good.

cheers!

John

I'm not sayin' he's a bad player Just overrated. He tends to drone the same licks over and over again. Just not very exciting to me. Never liked his songs much, so perhaps I'm just biased that way.

Not a Clapton fan. Loved Cream. Loved Layla. Some of the very early Mayall / Yardbirds stuff.

Maybe I am a fan after all?

After Layla and even before, just post Cream, he seemed to become a real snoozer. I dozed off at a Derek & the Dominoes show.

I think his problem is all that bullshit about getting back to his 'blues roots.' What? A couple gigs with John Mayall and he listened to some records? His best work was Cream - psychedelic Metal for it's day - it was incisive, creative and well executed.

Too much of that 'blues roots' crap is garage band stuff.

Talbot

Not a Clapton fan. Loved Cream. Loved Layla. Some of the very early Mayall / Yardbirds stuff.

Maybe I am a fan after all?

After Layla and even before, just post Cream, he seemed to become a real snoozer. I dozed off at a Derek & the Dominoes show.

I think his problem is all that bullshit about getting back to his 'blues roots.' What? A couple gigs with John Mayall and he listened to some records? His best work was Cream - psychedelic Metal for it's day - it was incisive, creative and well executed.

Too much of that 'blues roots' crap is garage band stuff.

Talbot

Hey!

LOL! CLapton is GOD! You know that! He's actually come a long way on the blues Journey. He's sat in and recorded with just about every blues legend of the 20th century (whoever was alive inthe 80/90s.) He's by far one of the most accomplished White blues players around (in My Opinion)

The most over rated guitar player there ever was is..............Whats the question?????

yeah I can see the different opinions on Clapton here.

He is a good guitar player and he was part of several legendary bands, but yeah he's a bit over rated.

He's got a limited number of minor pentatonic licks in his bag (nothing like SRV's bag of pentatonic tricks) BUT is tone and vibrato is unmistakable.

but hey.....JIMMY PAGE is still the most over rated guitar player mentioned on this thread. Let's see if anyone can top him



cheers

John

In the pantheon of what are supposed to be "great" guitarists, as in technically outstanfing, Jimmy Page is absolutely over rated - but he's far from being the most over rated guitarist.
Ironically, like Cobain, it was his writing and riffs that changed the landscape.

Alex Lifeson is 'more' over rated.
Ace Freyley - big guitar hero, but more over rated than Page.

There are several others.

hmmm.....I like Lifeson, love Rush........but yeah you got a good point man. But I still think Jimmy Page is more over rated because Alex Lifeson at least knows his music theory and can play a lot more different time/ key signatures than most guitar players.

cheers!

John

Time to stirr it up a little. I'll start....


JIMMY PAGE

I do love all things guitar, and I do enjoy Zeppelin's music, but there is nothing about Jimmy Page's guitar playing that I would even consider 'OK'. He's really not a good guitar player at all, hence why I believe he is over rated

cheers!

John

In my opinion..this is a "kid" who is uneducated and doesn't understand or realize the influence Jimmy page had.

Actually Kurt killed himself with a shotgun, not an overdose Yod. And I've never really heard anyone say he was a great player, so calling him overrated is not relevant. Kurt was a major force in the 90's, his song writing was important and he will remembered long after any of us.

Meant no disrespect to Cobain. Shotguns leave a bloody corpse.

My poorly made point was that Cobain was THE (electric) guitar force of the 90s without being a "great" guitar player by previous standards.

Page can't be judged fairly by today. So much of today would not have happened without him blazing a trail that wasn't there before him. He was a genius in so many ways.

How many bands do you know of that could do blues, metal, singer-songwriter folk, classical music, arabic, and even a little country on the same record and credibly pull that off?

Has anyone done it since?

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Page was an excellent 'guitarist'. And not too shabby at composition. But he didn't really invent anything outside the boundaries of rock.

Cobain pioneered the "Grunge" genre. You may not like that genre, but it swept the world for a little while. Not bad for an amatuer guitarist. IMHO

...Cobain Pioneered Grunge? HMMM , I find that laughable considering that they tipped their hats (Cobain) to the god-father of grunge,Neil Young. Where one can say he 'created/started" it in the late 60s early 70s. I guess it takes a pioneering guitarits to stake claim on creating a musical genre that was already in existiance

In the pantheon of what are supposed to be "great" guitarists, as in technically outstanfing, Jimmy Page is absolutely over rated - but he's far from being the most over rated guitarist.
Ironically, like Cobain, it was his writing and riffs that changed the landscape.

Alex Lifeson is 'more' over rated.
Ace Freyley - big guitar hero, but more over rated than Page.

There are several others.

,, Who is Ace Freyley?

In the pantheon of what are supposed to be "great" guitarists, as in technically outstanfing, Jimmy Page is absolutely over rated - but he's far from being the most over rated guitarist.
Ironically, like Cobain, it was his writing and riffs that changed the landscape.

Alex Lifeson is 'more' over rated.
Ace Freyley - big guitar hero, but more over rated than Page.

There are several others.

,, Who is Ace Freyley?

Actually Kurt killed himself with a shotgun, not an overdose Yod. And I've never really heard anyone say he was a great player, so calling him overrated is not relevant. Kurt was a major force in the 90's, his song writing was important and he will remembered long after any of us.

Meant no disrespect to Cobain. Shotguns leave a bloody corpse.

My poorly made point was that Cobain was THE (electric) guitar force of the 90s without being a "great" guitar player by previous standards.

Page can't be judged fairly by today. So much of today would not have happened without him blazing a trail that wasn't there before him. He was a genius in so many ways.

How many bands do you know of that could do blues, metal, singer-songwriter folk, classical music, arabic, and even a little country on the same record and credibly pull that off?

Has anyone done it since?

.

Page was an excellent 'guitarist'. And not too shabby at composition. But he didn't really invent anything outside the boundaries of rock.

Cobain pioneered the "Grunge" genre. You may not like that genre, but it swept the world for a little while. Not bad for an amatuer guitarist. IMHO

...Cobain Pioneered Grunge? HMMM , I find that laughable considering that they tipped their hats (Cobain) to the god-father of grunge,Neil Young. Where one can say he 'created/started" it in the late 60s early 70s. I guess it takes a pioneering guitarits to stake claim on creating a musical genre that was already in existiance

What I find laughable is how you mistook "pioneer" to mean 'created'. I stand by my statement. Cobain Pioneered it. Neil Young created it. Fender Pioneered guitar making, but did not create it. Alan Shepard pioneered the space walk but somebody else invented it. Elvis pioneered rocknroll but Chuck berry and Little Richard basically invented it.
Anything else you wanna say about it?