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Dog,

Why does "racial hatred" come into every argument about illegals when the argument is simply about their breaking the law of our country? Why is it that even conservatives who are accused of racial hatred when they point out that this potus violates our constitution and bill of rights use the same lame tactics to defend illegals who are no less breaking the laws of the USA?

I have not met any Mexicans that I didn't find friendly. I also see them taking a great many handouts coming from the pockets of hard working Americans as they work on the side to gain undeclared income. One of my neighbors came here illegally and now claims he owns six houses in Mexico as well as a couple here in America while his family and extended family are on the dole. There are as many scam artists as there are hard workers. I know of others who get welfare assistance checks from all three states in this tri state area. And they have well paying jobs on the side. I hear stuff like this all the time from people I know who cash the checks for them at the liquor store and the bread where they work. I'm sure that is a great incentive for them to keep working hard.

Now lets get real and do the math. If 80% of illegals are now on the dole, what makes you believe that the same percentage of those being declared "legal" won't still be getting handouts? And what about those in the following great chain migration? Do you actually believe that they will simply find jobs with this regime offering them myriads of free stuff? The progressives lie and say they won't, yet you know that is a lie. The minute this debacle is passes they will be going to court to deem it unfair that those being legalized should have the same rights as all others that are legal in America, it's the American way. Look at the job market. I don't see 11 million entry level jobs around that are not filled let alone 55 million entry level jobs. American kids used to take those jobs during the summer. What about the cost to the school systems? What about the cost to the "health care system"? I know, we'll just print more money until the dollar become worthless paper to every nation on earth. At one time you had to prove that you were self supporting as not to burden taxpayers when you came to America legally. What about all those people waiting in line for all these years to come to America legally? I suppose we "hate" them because they are law abiding and honest? We should punish them for that while we reward those breaking the law? Yeah, I know. Screw justice as long as it doesn't effect anything in my life. After all, justice, obeying the laws, and not stealing from taxpayers is a racist sentiment. Go figure.

The libs claim that the number is "only" 11 million. I'm sure that true number is FAR GREATER. And the true estimated number including the following "chain immigration" will reach about 55 million so I have heard.

WOW that was really good. Kramer you speak many truths and then you turn around and explain your position with problems that must be understood and dealt with.

All these things you describe are wrong... So is... any person breaking our laws about becoming a legal citizen.

So is... Any politician that believes... They are above the law.
I read that in your post. I may be wrong... I just felt that you believe it is ok, for government to tell you to sit down and shut up.

I have no idea how you possibly came to that conclusion. So here's a freebie- I will draw your conclusion for you, since I said it, I suppose I'm qualified to draw it out in crayon.

Conclusion:

People are confused as to the depth of issues, and are not properly reacting to the individual severity of each issue accordingly. In other words, people, in general, are over-reacting to silly issues, while far more severe issues continually fall beneath the radar.

In every case, propaganda is employed to ensure such a reaction exists and continues to flourish in the expected format. The propaganda plays on the individuals fears, racist tendencies, class mentality, religious beliefs, and economic beliefs, among many other personality shortcomings.

Truth hurts.

WOW that was really good. Kramer you speak many truths and then you turn around and explain your position with problems that must be understood and dealt with.

All these things you describe are wrong... So is... any person breaking our laws about becoming a legal citizen.

So is... Any politician that believes... They are above the law.
I read that in your post. I may be wrong... I just felt that you believe it is ok, for government to tell you to sit down and shut up.

I have no idea how you possibly came to that conclusion. So here's a freebie- I will draw your conclusion for you, since I said it, I suppose I'm qualified to draw it out in crayon.

Conclusion:

People are confused as to the depth of issues, and are not properly reacting to the individual severity of each issue accordingly. In other words, people, in general, are over-reacting to silly issues, while far more severe issues continually fall beneath the radar.

In every case, propaganda is employed to ensure such a reaction exists and continues to flourish in the expected format. The propaganda plays on the individuals fears, racist tendencies, class mentality, religious beliefs, and economic beliefs, among many other personality shortcomings.

Truth hurts.

Kramer Nails it very well!
Just even Monsanto having it's way will have far more profoundly negative long term consequences for life on Earth than anything being done by Mexicans or Muslims.

Dog,

Why does "racial hatred" come into every argument about illegals when the argument is simply about their breaking the law of our country? Why is it that even conservatives who are accused of racial hatred when they point out that this potus violates our constitution and bill of rights use the same lame tactics to defend illegals who are no less breaking the laws of the USA?

I have not met any Mexicans that I didn't find friendly. I also see them taking a great many handouts coming from the pockets of hard working Americans as they work on the side to gain undeclared income. One of my neighbors came here illegally and now claims he owns six houses in Mexico as well as a couple here in America while his family and extended family are on the dole. There are as many scam artists as there are hard workers. I know of others who get welfare assistance checks from all three states in this tri state area. And they have well paying jobs on the side. I hear stuff like this all the time from people I know who cash the checks for them at the liquor store and the bread where they work. I'm sure that is a great incentive for them to keep working hard.

Now lets get real and do the math. If 80% of illegals are now on the dole, what makes you believe that the same percentage of those being declared "legal" won't still be getting handouts? And what about those in the following great chain migration? Do you actually believe that they will simply find jobs with this regime offering them myriads of free stuff? The progressives lie and say they won't, yet you know that is a lie. The minute this debacle is passes they will be going to court to deem it unfair that those being legalized should have the same rights as all others that are legal in America, it's the American way. Look at the job market. I don't see 11 million entry level jobs around that are not filled let alone 55 million entry level jobs. American kids used to take those jobs during the summer. What about the cost to the school systems? What about the cost to the "health care system"? I know, we'll just print more money until the dollar become worthless paper to every nation on earth. At one time you had to prove that you were self supporting as not to burden taxpayers when you came to America legally. What about all those people waiting in line for all these years to come to America legally? I suppose we "hate" them because they are law abiding and honest? We should punish them for that while we reward those breaking the law? Yeah, I know. Screw justice as long as it doesn't effect anything in my life. After all, justice, obeying the laws, and not stealing from taxpayers is a racist sentiment. Go figure.

The libs claim that the number is "only" 11 million. I'm sure that true number is FAR GREATER. And the true estimated number including the following "chain immigration" will reach about 55 million so I have heard.

Its a fair Question Slacker...

My answer is that when indigenous citizens examine the status quo of their failing gov/eco etc... and then can cite inequities, as well as the 'agents' which drive that status quo, the typical reaction begins as resentment against that group of folks.

In this case, it happens to be against Hispanics, (from Mexico) whom we've identified as the agents of impact , though acts of illegal immigration. Resentment always transitions and escalates into racial bias. From there its down-hill socially.

Unfortunately, the racial passions often cloud the real issues. That is why I'm suggesting to all my friends that the hating has to stop. Hating is not fair to Mexicans, nor to Americans. Hating does not solve our issues.

The math you presented is indisputable... But, guess who's really at fault? Its not the Mexicans... They are only breaking US laws...And they do it because they 'can'.

The real blame must go to both US and Mexican Politicians, who are allowing this behavior. The U.S. could actually end this all, practically over night, if they really wanted to...

Here is why I think they wont:

The theory of Minimum Wage:
Economists have touted for a long time that min wage impacts all values of subsequent wage scales.
A min = 7.25.hr B = 12.00/hr
What happens to the value, leverage and spending power of B wage earner if we raise A min wage to 10/hr. B is devaluated.
To offset the devaluation, B now needs to earn 15.00/hr. This undermines the A Min earner attempt to escalate value...

This could go on and in a relative short time, would obliterate the US Economy.

If people who earned A Min, stayed exactly as they are , never growing or improving their skills; and likewise for B earners... We'd never have a problem in our economy. There would always be a supply of both earners, and labor accordingly.
But the real world isnt like that. A min grows and must move up... Likewise B earners grow and must move up. Doing so eventually saturates all scales of economy and eventually obliterates it.
To avoid ths problem, The US tries to normalize the A min earner. Enter the Mexican labor. With controls in place, laborors avail themselves to always work at A min scale. This always allows B earners to maintain status quo AND /or move up.
The benefit to B earners cant happen any other way. How else do people advance in careers?
This is what I believe the politicians are doing. Just my theory.
I could be wrong

I know a few folks on this site speak as if they are experts on illegal immigration. I don't know how many of you have ever worked with them. I have and you have NEVER seen racism the likes those folks dish out. If you don't have skin ten miles thick they will flat run whites and blacks off a job if they let you in, in the first place. Ever hear of La Raza? It is a Mexican action group and translates to "The Race"

Oh and Dane I know your hidden agenda and the reason why you must have read thru hours of threads to get this one out there. Now I KNOW your a NARC!

I know a few folks on this site speak as if they are experts on illegal immigration. I don't know how many of you have ever worked with them. I have and you have NEVER seen racism the likes those folks dish out. If you don't have skin ten miles thick they will flat run whites and blacks off a job if they let you in, in the first place. Ever hear of La Raza? It is a Mexican action group and translates to "The Race"

I worked in a factory once, I was the only english speaking laborer in the joint. I know how you feel. La Raza is the mexican version of Malcolm X. I have dealt with such folks before. They are 'unionizing' and are stealing the face of guys like Cesar Chavez to do it with. tho...Chavez was a real human rights activist. La Raza is strictly a Mexican rights activiist. They are a minor flick in the bigger picture. And believe you me... There is plenty of recourse in Houston for a guy that gets run off the job. (I used to live there when Handguns pretty much solved anything.) La Raza is a Letter of the law type of self interest group. They will use the standards that white folks would use on a job, against the white folks.
But remember, They are only a segment of a bigger picture.
The US government is the key culprit in why there is disproportionate mexican immigration. (you'll notice it wasnt Canadians) If I were in Mexico, I'd be guilty of taking all the advantage I could to get out of Mexico.

A gentle hard working race does not break the laws of another country forging documents to collect monies from hard working Americans. Every dollar printed is based on your savings and the money in your wallet that you have already worked hard to obtain. They are not only stealing from Americans (It has been reported that 80% of illegal aliens are on the dole in one way or another.) but they are taking entry level jobs from our children. Just because the laws are not enforced by corrupt politicians does not make it morally acceptable. These politicians are attempting to become the permanent political ruling class through collapsing our country's economy. They are using dishonest illegal aliens, ALL THOSE WHO ARE SNEAKING INTO OUR COUNTRY to do that. They are using the Cloward Piven Strategy to destroy America as we knew it. Go look it up and read it. The printing of phony paper not backed by anything but what is in your wallet, free stuff, and illegal immigration are all part of the strategy.

Observe the curse:

Deu 28:43 (BBE) The man from a strange land who is living among you will be lifted up higher and higher over you, while you go down lower and lower.

So will that absolve them of their crimes? No. Certainly not. Was Judas vindicated because he was chosen before creation by a living God to betray Christ? Was Hitler forgiven even though it was God who appointed him to power also for His purpose?

Compassion does not include helping someone do what is morally wrong. In doing so you add his sins to your own. To not speak out makes you share in his crimes. If some should be without morality, should the rest go along with that? Should they also become immoral for the sake of political correctness? How about LARAZA (The race) That appears to be a non political force enforcing the rules of breaking our laws in every instance. "The race" certainly sounds non racial to me, how about you? When those who are corrupt in heart start screaming racism at you because you wish the constitution and the immigration laws enforced how does that make you feel? Do you burn with injustice, or do you simply ignore it because it is simply racism from another illegal culture towards you?

I don't care how hard of a worker a lawbreaker that steals jobs from Americans truly can be. There is always someone willing to work for a price. What have illegals done? For a fact they lower wages of Americans do they not? Look at construction or packing house wages. Need a roof repaired? Someone is making a ton of money on that. I haven't seen an American speaking crew for some time up on a roof around here.

Illegal is illegal. Immorality is immorality. Theft is theft. Lawlessness is lawlessness. Simple as that. False compassion does not absolve lawlessness nor does it absolve theft in any manner. They already get free health care, they get food stamps, they get all manner of taxpayer funded benefits. That is immoral.

switching gears...

If you KNOW the guy next to you is an illegal, why not report them to immigration?

I did just that a couple of years ago, when the apartment complex I lived in got rid of the American maintenance crew and hired all illegals, whom couldn't fix anything much less speak English. It was unacceptable. We didn't have proof that they were illegals, but there was more than enough reason to suspect. Well, immigration showed up, removed them, and deported them.

I'm clearly in favor of immigration, and even legal migrant workers under the conditions that legal residents cannot be found to do a specific job, like agriculture picking, for instance. But I never tolerated illegals and don't support them, regardless of the intent you might gain from my arguments, I tend to look at things in a more worldly format when discussing politics and ideals, but know that I dislike law-breakers as much as the next guy, and I don't understand why so many people don't just call the authorities when they suspect illegals are standing next to them. The INS does, for the most part, follow up and deport when they are informed. At least up north they do. If they are not doing their jobs down south, might I suggest using the age-old and legal form of "citizens arrest"?

WOW that was really good. Kramer you speak many truths and then you turn around and explain your position with problems that must be understood and dealt with.

All these things you describe are wrong... So is... any person breaking our laws about becoming a legal citizen.

So is... Any politician that believes... They are above the law.
I read that in your post. I may be wrong... I just felt that you believe it is ok, for government to tell you to sit down and shut up.

I have no idea how you possibly came to that conclusion. So here's a freebie- I will draw your conclusion for you, since I said it, I suppose I'm qualified to draw it out in crayon.

Conclusion:

People are confused as to the depth of issues, and are not properly reacting to the individual severity of each issue accordingly. In other words, people, in general, are over-reacting to silly issues, while far more severe issues continually fall beneath the radar.

In every case, propaganda is employed to ensure such a reaction exists and continues to flourish in the expected format. The propaganda plays on the individuals fears, racist tendencies, class mentality, religious beliefs, and economic beliefs, among many other personality shortcomings.

Truth hurts.

Of course Kramer you don't have any conclusion. Of course you are confused. Of course you believe major issues are not important.
Of course you attack with typical liberal discourse...

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE HOME LAND SECURITY NEEDS MORE FULLY AUTOMATIC AR 15s THAN THE ARMY? AND MORE AMMO?

You amaze me and confirm the absolute values that have changed.

News Flash... THIS IS STILL AMERICA,and WE STILL HAVE A CONSTITUTION!

Perhaps this will give you an idea of what is happening and has been happening to rip off hard working American taxpayers. Go listen to the 5/31/2013 podcast. (Link below) Not the whole thing, but the first 15 minutes or so. It is a woman who claims she swam across the Rio Grand river over 20 years ago. Her own testimony using her own voice. She immediately got on welfare. She has been getting free government (Taxpayer funded) housing, food stamps, medical, and a $700.00 a month paycheck. She has been getting these things for over 20 years, as an illegal alien. No attempt to get citizenship. But then again, why the hell should she? And she is ungrateful for her 20 years of getting away with robbing American taxpayers. She demands more.... and probably will get it. Her"heart felt" plea is for all illegals to come forward and enlist in these Robin Hood enterprises. May all who steal from hard working Americans and the filth that assist them it doing it pay the price for their corrupt morality.

So why is she complaining to the interviewer? (I believe in front of congress) Because she claims she isn't getting ENOUGH. It is my personal opinion she should be jailed for grand larceny. Is she the only one do you suppose? Nope. 80% of illegals are filling their wallets with the money stolen from hard working American taxpayers with the help of lobby influence in our "government. "

They cut hot meals for our service men and women who are dodging bullets for a living in enemy territory while at the same time they are promoting US government free stuff down in Mexico. They get angry when people don't go to the schools to get free meals three times a day. You do know that the school system becomes a free restaurant service not only when kids are in school, but also during vacation time. I guess that these same people who are also getting food stamps and all other manner of free stuff are just too friggin lazy to walk to the schools for their free meals. Too bad that our military men and women can't eat them.

The clowns running this country are the most disgusting pieces of sh*t ever to float to the top of a sewerage treatment plant.


http://www.marklevinshow.com/common/pag ... &is_corp=0

WOW that was really good. Kramer you speak many truths and then you turn around and explain your position with problems that must be understood and dealt with.

All these things you describe are wrong... So is... any person breaking our laws about becoming a legal citizen.

So is... Any politician that believes... They are above the law.
I read that in your post. I may be wrong... I just felt that you believe it is ok, for government to tell you to sit down and shut up.

I have no idea how you possibly came to that conclusion. So here's a freebie- I will draw your conclusion for you, since I said it, I suppose I'm qualified to draw it out in crayon.

Conclusion:

People are confused as to the depth of issues, and are not properly reacting to the individual severity of each issue accordingly. In other words, people, in general, are over-reacting to silly issues, while far more severe issues continually fall beneath the radar.

In every case, propaganda is employed to ensure such a reaction exists and continues to flourish in the expected format. The propaganda plays on the individuals fears, racist tendencies, class mentality, religious beliefs, and economic beliefs, among many other personality shortcomings.

Truth hurts.

Of course Kramer you don't have any conclusion. Of course you are confused. Of course you believe major issues are not important.
Of course you attack with typical liberal discourse...

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE HOME LAND SECURITY NEEDS MORE FULLY AUTOMATIC AR 15s THAN THE ARMY? AND MORE AMMO?

You amaze me and confirm the absolute values that have changed.

News Flash... THIS IS STILL AMERICA,and WE STILL HAVE A CONSTITUTION!

All I can say is that your responses are flawed because of your lack of vision. No amount of discussion can change the fact that you are incapable of understanding a much bigger picture. Sorry.

What VISION?

That it is OK to STEAL, LIE , PUNISH, KILL , or IMPRISON, CONTROL, STEAL SOME MORE, KILL SOME MORE....


THIS IS THE VISION YOU POST KRAMER...

No hope,
no success,
no freedom,
no prosperity...

You are asleep... I can't awaken you... The very government you espouse...


WILL ONLY KILL YOU!

Why do you hate your government? I mean, you can dislike what they do and even try to change it, but at the end of the day they represent US. Don't hate yourself.

Why do you hate your government? I mean, you can dislike what they do and even try to change it, but at the end of the day they represent US. Don't hate yourself.

Judging from things like the Monsanto Protection Act it appears more that they mainly represent the few of US that own Large Multi-National Corporations and Banks. We need to learn to properly tell the difference between a human individual with human rights, from corporations that claim those same protections, often at the expense of human well being.