General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

Vin, the only thing I will say is I notice you going to listen to my music.

How fair is that? You listen to mine and I can't even get the barest glimpse of your page?

ssdd. LOL

Actually what you see is that I have visited your page ... I log-in to the the BM site and then go to the forum. Logging out of the forum does not always log you out of the BM site, So if I am not already logged in while reading a post, I often click on the icon of a nearby post to get to the BM site to log out and re-log-in ... I rarely loiter around long enough to scroll down and check the details ... just hitting the log-in button in the upper right corner.

I just listened to "Invisible Light" ... sounds very Pink Floyd'ish, nice production and performance. I'm not a big fan of PF or the general genre so much, so I would be insincere to gush with much more enthusiasm than that. I think you (and the majority here) might feel a similar genre preference mismatch with my music. And that is ok with me.

Bleh, never assume anything about the majority of anything.

You end up getting screwed over.

"The majority" is/was something I never understood or cared to understand.
I find it mildly disconcerting that you would not have any faith in your own music. How utterly quizzical?

I'd say with reasonable surety that you have no idea what kind(s) of music I really like, just like I can only state a couple of genres I truly do not like anything from.

(yours isn't one of them) lol (The links you show indicate you like different types of music and since a lot of it was interesting to me, I'd say it was unfair of you to assume I wouldn't like it.)

You ought to know by now I don't do anything based on what other people think, regardless.

I just call it like I see it.

I can see where that might be a problem ..

"It's ok that you don't post any work, while at the same time , the rest of us have afforded you the luxury and privilege to hear ours. (Note: Opinions of the work are not relevant, here)."

Ok, so I remind you that I did post some "music" here, and you did not like it ....

78 RPM or faster does not constitute anything other than 78 RPM or faster. You 'Presented" Alvin and the Chipmunks and you did it because you were too frightened to post the real stuff. I don't blame you for the shyness or apprehension, but please have the decency to NOT insult us with what amounted to a smoke screen to hide behind. When you do that Vinny, you are essentially telling others to f**k off...(Not in so many words) . I would like to think that the BM community has a little more camaraderie.

I have been an outsider all of my life. Especially so, having grown up along the Asperger's shade of the autistic spectrum. I go my own way because I learned early on that your way is not a viable option for me. I have always been chided, excluded, ridiculed, suspected and bullied by others who wish to force my conformity to their view. A few hundred years ago I could probably have been burned or drowned as a witch ... so maybe things have improved ever so slightly over the years It is possible, probably unavoidable, that this has had an influence on the way that my music sounds, and how I choose to present it, or not.

I too have been an outsider...but not for the same reasons. I know plenty of folks with Asberger... Its not as uncommon as its made out to be... The only real conflict for haviing it seems to point to social ineptness. Not something they intend to exude, but it is there, none the less.

The point of musical expression, is to portray whats in the mind, soul and heart. No one can argue that part of it, ever...hence criticisms are moot (and that 's what I meant when I said 'opinions are irrelavant') . You only defeat yourself when you hide or smoke screen your work. Just sayin...

Why does la raza "The race" (Nothing racially radical about the title of that organization supporting the "radical rights" of people who are breaking the laws of our country) have so much political power and hold high office in our government?

They are being used to break our economy through welfare programs given to illegals who shall begin a massive "chain migration" that will drain our economy. I heard that this so called immigration bill will cost working Americans over three trillion a year to begin. About 80% of illegals are getting government handouts of some sort.


Could this have anything to do with it?

Is La raza a player in the curse in Deu 28? Will this so-called immigration law bring nation to rise against nation in America when the money runs out and chaos rules? Will race turn against race for food and other necessities? Chain immigration will likely destroy every social program and bankrupt America in a very short time. When inflation hits people will revert to theft to afford food for their families. People will revert to mob rule stealing every bit of food they can find to feed their starving families. No? Is that not what Americas financial collapse and the following chaos lead to? No food delivery, no utilities, no fuel, nothing. Ever consider what would happen when the food runs out?

I just wanted to make a happy post about where we are really headed under this regime. Maybe these scriptures are just a coincidence.

Deu 28:43 (LITV) The alien in your midst shall go above you, higher and higher; and you shall come down, lower and lower. (It appears to be happening that way doesn't it?)

Mat 24:7 (LITV) For nation will be raised against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines and plagues and earthquakes against many places. Mat 24:8 But this is just the beginning of troubles. (Race against race and country against country) Surly illegals wouldn't demand and get more rights than American citizens.

Oh wait, they already are getting more rights than American citizens. Mexico already has more influence with our so called "public servants"than the American taxpayer.

Bloodshed and hunger is coming to America.

Flame away fellow Americans, while we still can.

By the way, I have nothing against legal immigrants, only illegal aliens. And I would have nothing against them if they would go back and get in line with those who are trying to immigrate legally. Watch out for this new bill. It is a fatal blow to American sovereignty.

...my opinion is this ... regarding posting or not posting music on this Site. I commend this Site constantly because it is ultra-commendable compared to others. This is a Music Site certainly, primarily for Musicians of all sorts from everywhere. Now musicians have music ... painters have paintings ... poets have poems and writers have words. This Site wisely and fairly leaves the decision of Posting music to those doing the posting. It is not officially required or expected. IT IS ENTIRELY OPTIONAL.

What PaperDog, Scotty and many many others have said upon this subject is totally relevant and clearly demonstrates that at some point is on is serious about this Site and is in fact a musician ... then some posted music is a good idea. It is not a big deal, it is expected by others here and that is also completely understandable. And if one wishes to be recognized by others on here as real, genuine, serious and not fake ... then posting some sort of music either right away or eventually is also a very good idea... an intelligent idea,

Anything will do as many have related already upon this Site to many others including myself. Once it is done then it gives a certain amount of credibility which did not exist before to one as a musician and to whatever one says on Posts...acceptance.

Such acceptance is instantly forthcoming in most cases. It makes one "real" to others. It is a personal choice ... if one does not and refuses to then one must accept and not complain about the consequences of such and understand that they have little or no legitimacy here. It is really that simple.

It took me a bit of time to post some of my own music but I did when I could. There were those here who were very understanding and very patient and those who were not. Either way I have not and will not hold their views against them. It is their "right". When I did post the majority were very complimentary and this made me feel it had been well worth it.


Of course there were accusations ... it was not mine etc etc. and a couple of excellent insults but this was to be expected. If you do not like to get wet then do not swim.

Vinny ... I thank you for your Posts and especially the very open and personal one. This kind of thing is never easy particularly when surrounded by criticism and hostility.

We are many of us "outsiders" and this I think everyone believes this more of a credit and feather in your cap... even if they do not like you. I freely admit I "suspect" you to be a possible facade, but that is coming from the Fog of the Internet and my experience with it and the current situation. The Internet allows a fat disgusting perverted pig to masquerade and to masturbate as a "young girl" so....

Musicians are critical creatures by very nature as otherwise they would not even be able to play Three Blind Mice. They are sensitive as well ... just as sensitive if not more so than yourself in some cases.

This all being said it seems very clear to me that most here "want" to like you and respect you and accept you. Some of us have as much as we can already with some reserve. Take away the egos and we are all as small children who take pride in being in the same "club" and none are opposed to accepting you if you become a little more engaging and perhaps just Post a few bars even.

It is your choice not anyone else so do it or do not. Just understand that it would be a good idea and gesture. Unlike others of the "Great Unwashed" ... those Musicians here have no problem accepting you however you wish to portray yourself and that we are no witch hunters ... we are the witches and warlocks ... the "Outsiders"

Absolutely they will be critical in their appraisal of your music but will respect you more for posting some. I like Diamonda Galas so what can I say ?

My Ancestors are my Council

Those you see behind me are Warriors

... who share common enemies with me

... who believe in much of what I believe

...who are of my Tribe, my Clan, my Armie

Those you see beside me are my Queen and Knights

Those behind and beside me

... are creative and Noble and Good

Our shared enemies are of the devious art of politics

... those born of greed and evil

...their stolen and dead armies

Armies the likes of which our earth has never seen

... no one has ever faced

Armies that move the planet as they march

... killing it

Do nothing and they shall sweep you into the abyss

...before them is the abyss you now peer into

Do nothing and watch ... cowering and staring

... watch your wives and husbands and children

....watch your brothers and sisters

....watch your Mothers and Fathers

Tortured and slaughtered before you

Do nothing and fall into the abyss and darkness

... see all the dead faces asking why

... asking why you too did nothing

These Evil Armies are spawned of failures

... failures accepted by humans

... failures of leaders accepted

... failures some chosen by you

Do not look behind as you must now Stand

... perhaps for the First Time in your life

.. perhaps for the Last Time in your life

Become one of The First And The Last

Look to the North from the South, East and West

... the seas of bodies watching you

... awaiting the order to attack

... these Orders are now being given

There are those who would advise you

...telling you these are desperate times

... telling you these are hopeless times

...you should capitulate

... you should be silent

These are not Your advisors

They will say you are incapable of facing these armies

Stand and look into your heart

... remember your Code

... remember the Code of your Ancestors

Stand and look into the eyes of your enemy

... the eyes behind the grinning masks

...the eyes of the dead

Rise up and look deep

... see the emptiness

... see the fear

They want us gone and fear you

...fear our capabilities

... fear our knowing

They fear us knowing the Truth

... not all humans are Slaves

... not all humans are devoid of Spirit

Rise and Stand shedding your fear

...freeing yourself

... of fear

Stand and claim your Freedom

... Stand and Live Well if only for a moment

...Stand and Die Well before your last moment

Become One of The First And The Last

...join your Ancestors

...the Spirit evolves endlessly

...

My Ancestors are my Council

Those you see behind me are Warriors

... who share common enemies with me

... who believe in much of what I believe

...who are of my Tribe, my Clan, my Armie

Those you see beside me are my Queen and Knights

Those behind and beside me

... are creative and Noble and Good

Our shared enemies are of the devious art of politics

... those born of greed and evil

...their stolen and dead armies

Armies the likes of which our earth has never seen

... no one has ever faced

Armies that move the planet as they march

... killing it

Do nothing and they shall sweep you into the abyss

...before them is the abyss you now peer into

Do nothing and watch ... cowering and staring

... watch your wives and husbands and children

....watch your brothers and sisters

....watch your Mothers and Fathers

Tortured and slaughtered before you

Do nothing and fall into the abyss and darkness

... see all the dead faces asking why

... asking why you too did nothing

These Evil Armies are spawned of failures

... failures accepted by humans

... failures of leaders accepted

... failures some chosen by you

Do not look behind as you must now Stand

... perhaps for the First Time in your life

.. perhaps for the Last Time in your life

Become one of The First And The Last

Look to the North from the South, East and West

... the seas of bodies watching you

... awaiting the order to attack

... these Orders are now being given

There are those who would advise you

...telling you these are desperate times

... telling you these are hopeless times

...you should capitulate

... you should be silent

These are not Your advisors

They will say you are incapable of facing these armies

Stand and look into your heart

... remember your Code

... remember the Code of your Ancestors

Stand and look into the eyes of your enemy

... the eyes behind the grinning masks

...the eyes of the dead

Rise up and look deep

... see the emptiness

... see the fear

They want us gone and fear you

...fear our capabilities

... fear our knowing

They fear us knowing the Truth

... not all humans are Slaves

... not all humans are devoid of Spirit

Rise and Stand shedding your fear

...freeing yourself

... of fear

Stand and claim your Freedom

... Stand and Live Well if only for a moment

...Stand and Die Well before your last moment

Become One of The First And The Last

...join your Ancestors

...the Spirit evolves endlessly

...

That's the way.... Uh huh...uh huh I like it..... I like it.

I freely admit I "suspect" you to be a possible facade,

VinnyViolin is certainly a facade, or troll, as I have openly stated on many threads, (and thought by now was common knowledge).

Why, you might ask?

Before arriving here as Vinny, I posted my music on BM a week or two before even checking out the forum. In a short time after posting on some threads here, I encountered the usual barrage of hostilities, violent threats, accusations of being an evil foreigner, not having a satisfactory icon, being a traitor, a spammer. ...

Having a player full of tracks made no difference then ... I felt it to be a very negative, uninviting environment that would not do much for furthering my musical endeavors. I have witnessed this same psycho treatment given other newcomers since then, some had very impressive music and videos that obviously displayed their musicianship on their BM page. So really this all just seems to be about some sort of ritual bullying that has nothing to do with music.

So I decided to detach from my BM music profile and return to the forum as, yours trolly, VinnyViolin.

The reception was no different for VinnyViolin who arrived here determined to annoy the usual "gang". Like an maxed out amplifier that can't just get any LOUDER!!!!! The response was not, could not, have been any worse that what I got the first time.

And if the "gerbil" track suggested a F@@K you to anyone ... then I had underestimated that track's power to effectively communicate a relevant message!!

Alas, Vinny did not come here to join the gang .. but is a phantom, reflected from the hostility thrown at it, for the gang to punch at.

But, so as over the past few months, as the level of the gang hostilities have cooled, my antagonisms toward the gang has likewise mellowed and I have interacted with reciprocal civility and sincerity to whatever extent that might be feasible by a troll.

So here I am at the moment, offering neither insult nor music .. for now.

...Vinny / ? ...Thank you for your Post. What one thinks is obvious "common knowledge" here is not always so. This is due to the "Fog of the Internet" and the egos of musicians. I for one simply take others at "face value" at first if I have no reason not to do so ... in life as well as on the internet. It is the way I have chosen. Eventually I find that Truth prevails although it is at times a "process" ranging from embarrassment to anger and insult. I appreciate your honesty and relating your experiences here ... without apparent falsehood. Thank you "Vinny" or whoever you are.

I fully understand your motivation regarding what you have done and although I do not feel any desire to commend you for it neither will I condemn you. It is a sad commentary on the existing state of things ... I feel BandMix is in some ways an excellent representation of a microcosm within the macrocosm. Your term "Ritual Bullying" is very apt.

Your intention of introducing "Vinny" obviously worked out quite well and hopefully has satisfied the urge within you. I experienced a "cool" "welcome" initially but persisted and try always now to "come together" rather than "parting". I know that I have indeed had some influence even in a small way.

Perhaps we can all take this into account and learn a bit from it. I hope so. Even as "Vinny the Troll" a rapport was established with some of us that was not all bad and negative and insulting. This is a good sign.

Once again I thank you for your most excellent Post and as I have always appreciated your (Vinny's) wit and sense of humour ... I sincerely hope that you do not depart but remain as "Vinny" or whoever, continuing your Posts ... with or without music ... it matters not to me. Understand as I think you may, that all on here ar not "bad" but have their banes as well as you or I.

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for my money vinny w his warp ten wit, acerbic and get to the point quickness of pen, his compassion, wisdom, and seeming bottomless knowledge of all things musical...vinny has always been one of my favorite characters here...w music posted for public consumption, or not.

and, as he said....he HAS put up music. i recall a wonderful atonal piece of music that had me in stitches (laughing WITH him).

yeah, i'd love to hear some tunes from you vinny because i'm certain they'd be most be most engaging and entertaining. likewise i'm betting you have chops writing, arranging, and playing that are off the charts.

in any case i respect and admire the choices you've made about sharing your music on your terms.

for my money vinny w his warp ten wit, acerbic and get to the point quickness of pen, his compassion, wisdom, and seeming bottomless knowledge of all things musical...vinny has always been one of my favorite characters here...w music posted for public consumption, or not.

and, as he said....he HAS put up music. i recall a wonderful atonal piece of music that had me in stitches (laughing WITH him).

yeah, i'd love to hear some tunes from you vinny because i'm certain they'd be most be most engaging and entertaining. likewise i'm betting you have chops writing, arranging, and playing that are off the charts.

in any case i respect and admire the choices you've made about sharing your music on your terms.

Thank you Planetguy!
However I would advise not to place that bet about my chops! I play with a variety of instruments, some better than others, most at a level below mediocre. I would not consider myself a virtuoso at any of them.

Thank you Planetguy!
However I would advise not to place that bet about my chops! I play with a variety of instruments, some better than others, most at a level below mediocre. I would not consider myself a virtuoso at any of them.

not so different than myself there......damn, you're gonna remove ALL doubt that we are one and the same persona.

I freely admit I "suspect" you to be a possible facade,

VinnyViolin is certainly a facade, or troll, as I have openly stated on many threads, (and thought by now was common knowledge).

Why, you might ask?

Before arriving here as Vinny, I posted my music on BM a week or two before even checking out the forum. In a short time after posting on some threads here, I encountered the usual barrage of hostilities, violent threats, accusations of being an evil foreigner, not having a satisfactory icon, being a traitor, a spammer. ...

Having a player full of tracks made no difference then ... I felt it to be a very negative, uninviting environment that would not do much for furthering my musical endeavors. I have witnessed this same psycho treatment given other newcomers since then, some had very impressive music and videos that obviously displayed their musicianship on their BM page. So really this all just seems to be about some sort of ritual bullying that has nothing to do with music.

So I decided to detach from my BM music profile and return to the forum as, yours trolly, VinnyViolin.

The reception was no different for VinnyViolin who arrived here determined to annoy the usual "gang". Like an maxed out amplifier that can't just get any LOUDER!!!!! The response was not, could not, have been any worse that what I got the first time.

And if the "gerbil" track suggested a F@@K you to anyone ... then I had underestimated that track's power to effectively communicate a relevant message!!

Alas, Vinny did not come here to join the gang .. but is a phantom, reflected from the hostility thrown at it, for the gang to punch at.

But, so as over the past few months, as the level of the gang hostilities have cooled, my antagonisms toward the gang has likewise mellowed and I have interacted with reciprocal civility and sincerity to whatever extent that might be feasible by a troll.

So here I am at the moment, offering neither insult nor music .. for now.

Are you done yet? What else ya got? Do you walk on water, too?

Vinny, the only difference that I see between you and the rest of BM is the shade of aggression, by which you post.

You've been practicing sarcasm, passive-aggressive/overt or subliminal spin for as long as you have been around here.

the usual barrage of hostilities, violent threats, accusations of being an evil foreigner, not having a satisfactory icon, being a traitor, a spammer. ...

For somebody who complains about and knocks other MB members, who generally doesn't post any work, and who scoffs at others music.... isn't it a bit odd that you still stick around?

Seems to me, you got a pocketful of hypo in your crite.

As for the music. I wouldnt dream of coercing, forcing or insisting that you 'post ...or else'. In fact, I can get on just fine without it...

I freely admit I "suspect" you to be a possible facade,

VinnyViolin is certainly a facade, or troll, as I have openly stated on many threads, (and thought by now was common knowledge).

Why, you might ask?

Before arriving here as Vinny, I posted my music on BM a week or two before even checking out the forum. In a short time after posting on some threads here, I encountered the usual barrage of hostilities, violent threats, accusations of being an evil foreigner, not having a satisfactory icon, being a traitor, a spammer. ...

Having a player full of tracks made no difference then ... I felt it to be a very negative, uninviting environment that would not do much for furthering my musical endeavors. I have witnessed this same psycho treatment given other newcomers since then, some had very impressive music and videos that obviously displayed their musicianship on their BM page. So really this all just seems to be about some sort of ritual bullying that has nothing to do with music.

So I decided to detach from my BM music profile and return to the forum as, yours trolly, VinnyViolin.

The reception was no different for VinnyViolin who arrived here determined to annoy the usual "gang". Like an maxed out amplifier that can't just get any LOUDER!!!!! The response was not, could not, have been any worse that what I got the first time.

And if the "gerbil" track suggested a F@@K you to anyone ... then I had underestimated that track's power to effectively communicate a relevant message!!

Alas, Vinny did not come here to join the gang .. but is a phantom, reflected from the hostility thrown at it, for the gang to punch at.

But, so as over the past few months, as the level of the gang hostilities have cooled, my antagonisms toward the gang has likewise mellowed and I have interacted with reciprocal civility and sincerity to whatever extent that might be feasible by a troll.

So here I am at the moment, offering neither insult nor music .. for now.

Are you done yet? What else ya got? Do you walk on water, too?

Vinny, the only difference that I see between you and the rest of BM is the shade of aggression, by which you post.

You've been practicing sarcasm, passive-aggressive/overt or subliminal spin for as long as you have been around here.

the usual barrage of hostilities, violent threats, accusations of being an evil foreigner, not having a satisfactory icon, being a traitor, a spammer. ...

For somebody who complains about and knocks other MB members, who generally doesn't post any work, and who scoffs at others music.... isn't it a bit odd that you still stick around?

Seems to me, you got a pocketful of hypo in your crite.

As for the music. I wouldnt dream of coercing, forcing or insisting that you 'post ...or else'. In fact, I can get on just fine without it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sKzMEQ6MUo thank you Paperdog.

well, one thing i'm sure we CAN all agree upon....isn't it interesting, dare i say fascinating... how given the same set of facts/evidence/circumstances/input/whatever.....we all can come away w such different takes on things and on people?

of course what WE bring to the party...our own 'filters', dna, and our own "baggage" is as much a part of our takeaway as anything else...but still, very, very interesting methinks.