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I hate to inform you, but McCain will win unless something unusual happens.

Top 3 are; Obama, Clinton and McCain.

No minority will win, because the majority won't let them. Middle class America is very shallow.

Clinton is out, just because she is a woman.

Obama, though a great candidate, won't make it as he is African-American.

Only front runner left is McCain.

Personally, I don't like any of them. But I can see the "smoke on the river".

Recall Sir Winston 's words.
"If your not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart.
If you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain,"

Political lesson for today,
coming, your way
from howlinJ

McCain & Condie, now THAT'S a winnin' tickit!

I just hope they don't get us all nuked.

Recall Sir Winston 's words.
"If your not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart.
If you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain,"

Political lesson for today,
coming, your way
from howlinJ

McCain & Condie, now THAT'S a winnin' tickit!

Lol, I like that quote, HowlinJ.

As for the McCain and Condie thing, bleh.

I just hope they don't get us all nuked.

Yeah, I do too, lol.

Recall Sir Winston 's words.
"If your not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart.
If you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain,"

Political lesson for today,
coming, your way
from howlinJ

McCain & Condie, now THAT'S a winnin' tickit!

I always hated that quote, because it is so fundamentally untrue. I have found that as you get older, you see more and more how you are linked to all things, and you get MORE liberal, if anything. Your compassion increases because of that feeling of connectedness.

Of course there are plenty of examples to the opposite, but that is because some folks as they get older get cynical, smacked down by life and feel that everyone else should be so wounded as they are.

Sad.

Clinton - she seems just plain evil . . .
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And - it has nothing at all to do with ". . . cynical, smacked down by life and feeling that everyone else should be so wounded as they are . . ."
Aw, man, . . . that's load of horshit.
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My god, what an antagonist thing to say . . . why try to set people at each other's throats?
That statement was attacking 1/2 the populaton, and saying they are assholes because they don't think the same as the speaker.
Aww, c'mon . . .
Attacking people will not bring them together.
We should not polarize ourselves against each other.
Republicans and Democrats are both Americans.
And we musicians are all mostly peaceful, laid-back kind of folks . . . no matter the politics . . .
Lets support wach other, not attack each other, ok, people?

Thanks . . .

so the question i have is this.....Does anybody out there believe that we are heading down the right path with the republicans in power?

Depends on the republican you are talking about.

Neither all are good nor bad.

Bush is evil, of this I am sure. lol

Depends on the republican you are talking about.

Neither all are good nor bad.

Bush is evil, of this I am sure. lol

I think Bush is Satan sometimes, lol. Wait, I think I would be insulting Satan's intelligence. Bush is just a nut case.

I cannot stand almost all of the Congress, Senate, Democrats, Republicans, etc... Every one of them are dumbells.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

Clinton - she seems just plain evil . . .
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And - it has nothing at all to do with ". . . cynical, smacked down by life and feeling that everyone else should be so wounded as they are . . ."
Aw, man, . . . that's load of horshit.
.
My god, what an antagonist thing to say . . . why try to set people at each other's throats?
That statement was attacking 1/2 the populaton, and saying they are assholes because they don't think the same as the speaker.
Aww, c'mon . . .
Attacking people will not bring them together.
We should not polarize ourselves against each other.
Republicans and Democrats are both Americans.
And we musicians are all mostly peaceful, laid-back kind of folks . . . no matter the politics . . .
Lets support wach other, not attack each other, ok, people?

Thanks . . .

That wasn't the intent of my comments on that quote at all.

I was attacking the viewpoint of that quote, not the "half the population" it was directed at. And I truly believe what I said about it. It is a cynical and worn out view of life past a certain age, and I find it's implications repugnant, and wrong. None of that criticism was leveled at anyone here.

The quote in question is attributed to Sir Winston Churchill. With all due respect to his hero status because of his prosecution of Britain's defense against Nazi Germany's attacks, outside of that he could be a pretty repulsive individual. He cheated on his wife like a dog in heat, and held some pretty loathsome opinions of women, even for back then.

so the question i have is this.....Does anybody out there believe that we are heading down the right path with the republicans in power?

They have been in power (all three branches of govt) for eight years. Look at the state of our economy, our society, this so called war, and I think the answer will be self evident.

Good answer.

No way, no how, no McCain, he is a scumbag.

Either you have just trashed my respect for you as a thoughtful 19 year old, mature beyond your years. Or you are merely ignorant. I sincerely hope it is the latter.

John McCain is a national hero.

If you have ever heard the name "Hanoi Hilton" then you are familiar with one of the most brutal prisoner of war camps in Vietnam. Let me assume, that when you see McCain on TV, and have likely noticed that his arms move funny, you are not aware of why that is. Allow me to tell you why.

John McCain, a tough military man, whose father and grandfather were BOTH Admirals in the Navy, nevertheless, now, cannot raise his arms above his head. This is a direct result of the 3 times per week beatings he received as a prisoner of war for 5 1/2 years (Yes, Five and a half YEARS!!!).

It would be remarkable enough, that he had endured a concentration camp with 3 times weekly torture and beatings, for FIVE AND A HALF YEARS, were it not for the HONORABLE and ADMIRABLE fact, that he could have been released from the Vietnamese prison after not much more than 6 months.

When the Vietnamese government learned that McCain's father was an admiral, they offered McCain early release from prison, as a propaganda ploy of their "generosity" and "good will" and likely as a ploy to prove to other prisoners of war that in America, the sons of priveledge get preferential treatment.

There was one problem.

John McCain would NOT accept early release. He refused early release because of an American military "code of conduct" that states "First in - First out" Meaning that those who were prisoners before you, should be first in line to get out.

Following that code, out of his principles, meant that John McCain endured 3-times weekly beatings for FIVE MORE YEARS. All because he is a man of principle.

That adds up to 780 torture sessions that John McCain endured, on principle alone. How would you like to be tortured 780 times, when you didn't need to be? I think YOU would jump at the chance for early release, and to hell with principle! I say that because, even though no American youth has been called up by a draft in nearly 25 years, you are so afraid of one, that you are voting solely on who best will guarantee that for you personally.

John McCain is a man who OVER and OVER and OVER for FIVE YEARS refused to stop being beaten and tortured 3 times EVERY week, simply because it was WRONG to him, MORALLY, that he would get out of prison BEFORE another American who had been there longer. Him leaving early, means he takes another American's rightful place to leave before him. He never allowed another American to receive those beatings in his place. He took every one they dished out for FIVE AND A HALF YEARS!!!!

Would you do that?

I'm a tough man, who has a very strong set of principles. And in all honesty, I don't know if I could do it.

Until you can fill the shoes of a man like John McCain, and have served your country with even a fraction of the honor that he has served her with, please refrain from disrespecting a true American hero.

Recall Sir Winston 's words.
"If your not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart.
If you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain,"

Political lesson for today,
coming, your way
from howlinJ

McCain & Condie, now THAT'S a winnin' tickit!

I think it is "before age 30" and "after age 30" but I could be wrong. But I LOOOOVE that quote! Winston Churchill a truly great man that saw Britain through it's seige and helped win the war, but who nonetheless was thrown out soon after, over the economy. Which goes to show, that you can be a national hero, but if people are feeling the pinch economically, it becomes, in the immortal words of Janet Jackson..."What have you done for me lately"


Condoleezza Rice....

Wow. I'll have to agree with you there, but maybe with McCain as Vice President. LOL

But in all seriousness, the woman is amazing!

She speaks 5 languages, was a Professor before embarking on her political career. The first black woman to be Secretary of State. She is an accomplished pianist, good enough, that she once accompanied Yo Yo Ma in concert. She literally "heard" the bomb that went off in a Birmingham church killing 4 young black girls, one of those girls being a playmate of hers as a child. But her father, who agreed with the Civil Rights Movement's goals, nevertheless would not accept putting his only child in harm's way, and instead told Condie that her path to overcoming racism would be "To be twice as good" at their own game, namely education and cultural achievements, hence the piano, French and ballet lessons FROM AGE 3!!!

Her father also kept a gun in the house, just in case the KKK came calling, which is probably in part, why she is a staunch supporter of 2nd Amendment rights.

I actually admire Hillary Clinton's intelligence and determination (even though she's a class-A bitch apparently) but sorry, she doesn't hold a candle to Condie's accomplishments and intelligence.

I always hated that quote, because it is so fundamentally untrue. I have found that as you get older, you see more and more how you are linked to all things, and you get MORE liberal, if anything. Your compassion increases because of that feeling of connectedness.

Of course there are plenty of examples to the opposite, but that is because some folks as they get older get cynical, smacked down by life and feel that everyone else should be so wounded as they are.

Sad.

Ok, you're mixing some apples with some oranges here. Being conservative does not necessarily imply lack of compassion or being wounded and cynical.

At it's essence, the quote is speaking to the naivete of youth, as opposed to gaining wisdom and experience as you get older. When young, you are so enthusiastic in idealism, that you question and often rebel against ANYTHING that seems traditional. Anything new is good, "Let's try anything new" Sure that is a generality, but it holds pretty true, generally speaking. Remember the mantra of the 60's "Don't trust anyone over 30" (Is that really a mature and intelligent position?) Well, idealism is a great thing, but NOT naive idealism. That is where experience comes in, helping temper possibly destructive enthusiasm. It is this BLIND idealism that enabled the Hitler Youth to be so misled. That is what youthful energy without experience, at an extreme, can do for you.

I would imagine that you hold some appreciation for Mark Twain, who even in later years was often irreverent and rebellious at time. He said it almost as well as Churchill when he said....

"When I was 14 my father knew nothing, but when I was 21, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in those seven years."

Clearly, the "old man" was not much wiser after 7 years, it was Twain who was wiser, and now appreciated much more, what his father was all about.

This is pretty standard life experience.

Now, there are exceptions. Like you, Irminsul, I actually became more liberal to a degree as I got older, but that is because I was raised in conservatism. And my youthful naivete led me to believe in people like Rush Limbaugh, etc... and the Democrats were evil, and going to destroy the country, etc...

I've grown up alot since then, and like much of America, am more mainstream in my thinking, realizing there are good and valuable qualities on both sides of the aisle, and that extremism is almost always misguided, whichever direction it finds itself going, liberal or conservative.

Now I am much more a firm believer in "balance" in life. Taking the good where I find it, and trying to dismiss the bad.

When you have experienced evil on a personal level, and seen it in the world, you become wiser, and more aware of it's potential. You don't automatically become cynical, but your idealism is now tempered with experience.

Youthful Naivete says merely "Walk softly"

Adult Experience says "Walk softly...BUT... carry a big stick"

Youth says merely "Diplomacy"

Adult Experience says "Diplomacy from a position of strength."

Youth says "Tune in and drop out!"

Adult Experience says "Timothy Leary fried his damn brain beyond recognition, and turned himself into a near vegetable! How did I let that idiot talk me out of college!!!!!" LOL